Insurrection 2021

What's going to happen on January 6th?

  • TRUMP JUNTA GOVERNMENT

    Votes: 40 10.1%
  • CHICOM BIDEN ROUNDUP

    Votes: 18 4.5%
  • BOOMERS STANDING AROUND IN Q MERCH ACCOMPLISHING NOTHING

    Votes: 340 85.4%

  • Total voters
    398
  • Poll closed .

It might be fun to monkey around with crunching this data as a holiday project, but have you actually looked at this shit? One of the first claims is that you have to download the CSV to see ballots received after the 3rd. I had no issue with using the visualizer to find late ballots:
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That said, this one is more interesting than a lot of the other ones. You could actually try to go somewhere with this one, though definitions do mater.
Ballot returned date is "the date the county marked the ballot as received after the voter mailed the voted ballot back to the county."
The reason that this is important is that there's a distinction between postmarked and "received." Theoretically, any ballot which was delivered but not properly added to the rolls within those three days would still be seen as "valid" if the postmark was correct (or if lacking a postmark, the ballot had come bundled in with other ballots postmarked within the proper days, for example).

This database doesn't make clear when these ballots were postmarked / received in that matter, only apparently when they were properly processed. This is an important distinction that is apparently not recorded in this dataset, but would be the primary place to make your case for fraud on.
The secretary of state representative would be lying if she meant that only 9,428 ballots were processed by this spreadsheet's definition (even if you restrict the analysis to the 4/5/6th), but may not be lying if she meant postmarked. There is also some question as to whether rejected ballots are reflected within this dataset or not (were they excluded, or counted as received?)
There are a number of anomalies you can dig into with this. There are values which have no application information and yet got / returned ballots. There are applications that are sent out somehow in the early 20th century, perhaps the witness protection items.
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The analyzer tool they're using is pretty clearly just comparing the values of each and every dataset. The methodology isn't perfect: if you run the 'unique' test on a single dataset, you find a little under 4,000 values are repeated / identical.
This also means that filling in any value that was null would count as a change, meaning that those ~112k changes it alleges are more than likely people filling in the "returned" date after the 3rd.
You could write a script that checks whether the differences between identical pairs are changes where the value is not originally null, but the tool that the hereistheevidence people are using is not really capable of doing that with the options checked.

Further, even if one assumes that the 69k item changes that were filling in return dates, it leaves in the neighborhood of 43k changes not explained by this. Of course, if there was something so minor as a typo in county name that was changed between versions, this would necessarily flag a large number of differences between the versions.

It's hard to make any real assertions without looking at the original dataset, but if you were going to try to argue that explanation is needed for these numbers, this is more broadly the way to do it. I still don't imagine this leads to any fire, but it would be interesting to see the causes for some of these cells.
 
not at all. as taco points out, thats a ligical fallacy
So you are agreeing then that the burden of proof is on you to prove the fraud?

Yeah my main beef with the 2020 election has been people NOT wanting to investigate. If they could at least say "We don't want these people investigating" that'd be one thing, but they just say "lol no it's been decided" then they parade around the former CISA director saying "This was the most secure election in the history of the United States" as much as they can. That isn't helping at all, no one who is worried about the election hears that from any fed thinks "Oh it was? Well that's that, gratz Biden!"

All that said, I think we'll never know at this point unless people fess up due to how much time has passed.
Why 2020 and not 2016? Why not 2012, too? You can't just throw a temper tantrum because you guy lost.
 
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I will say what I keep saying.

burden of proof of electoral fraud is not on the voter, it's the government that has the responsibility of proving the legitimacy of the process and it has always has been the governments obligation to provide safety and transparency to the elections, IDs, social security numbers, registration, photos, signature checks, documents of chain of custody, there is a reason why these things are not optional and all why the law demands them, they are required so the government can prove the legitimacy of the ballots, all of those things are certification that the process was followed and that the ballots are legitimate.

you don't need "evidence" to contest the legitimacy of the ballots, it's the government that has the possession of all the evidence needed to prove that the election was indeed legitimate, otherwise just screw all kinds of ids and documents, these things would be completely optional.

Legitimacy of an election is an obligation of the government, and the government has the sole responsibility of proving that the laws and processes were followed, the government has the proof that the ballots are legitimate or not and it's through law enforced transparency and oversight that this evidence is made public as the process demands.
What exactly do you propose? The Trump team spent millions on lawyers trying desperately to find evidence of voter fraud. The Texas AG offered cash rewards to people who came forward with evidence of election fraud.

There's been multiple recounts, audits of machines, hand recounts, all of which have come up with nothing.
 
Irrelevant what-aboutism and no tantrum here.
How's it irrelevant? I didn't see you manbabies throwing temper tantrums about election fraud just because some career conman was assmad that he lost then. Trump was crowing about election fraud in 2016, and then when he won, he shut up about it. If he really believed it, why didn't he investigate it then? He had 4 years to do it.

Congrats, you're gullible enough to get conned by a boomer conman. Want to buy a bridge? I will give you a good deal
 
This isn't about 2016 but if you want to talk about it, make a thread.
You're right! As the OP states:
nool said:
As the election has been decidedly ended in Biden's favor, we move on to the Insurrection LARP of 2021.

So really, discussions about both the 2016 and the 2020 elections are off-topic!
 
You're right! As the OP states:


So really, discussions about both the 2016 and the 2020 elections are off-topic!
Fair point but any investigation would go into 2021 at this point. Congress has to take breaks and the feds are barely working this time of year. People are going to bitch and moan about this maybe for years to come and if anything boils over, this will probably be part of a manifesto or their social media gripes.
 
How's it irrelevant? I didn't see you manbabies throwing temper tantrums about election fraud just because some career conman was assmad that he lost then. Trump was crowing about election fraud in 2016, and then when he won, he shut up about it. If he really believed it, why didn't he investigate it then? He had 4 years to do it.

Congrats, you're gullible enough to get conned by a boomer conman. Want to buy a bridge? I will give you a good deal
Reminder that these are the same people who mocked the Left Wingers who wanted to investigate Russian influence in the 2016 election.
tfw trump cheated and still lost
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It's ironic that the only proven fraud was for Trump votes.
 
Fair point but any investigation would go into 2021 at this point. Congress has to take breaks and the feds are barely working this time of year. People are going to bitch and moan about this maybe for years to come and if anything boils over, this will probably be part of a manifesto or their social media gripes.
Into... fraud? I mean, there's one open investigation, in Georgia - and the chariman of the subcommittee put his plea to decertify the vote into a procedural "just summarize the testimony" document.
I don't think there's going to be much going on even by the 6th, much less the 20th.
 
Into... fraud? I mean, there's one open investigation, in Georgia - and the chariman of the subcommittee put his plea to decertify the vote into a procedural "just summarize the testimony" document.
I don't think there's going to be much going on even by the 6th, much less the 20th.
Oh no, I'm not expecting anything big to happen, I'm just saying it's much more relevant than any preceding elections. I expect this to be the GOP's Russia and Trump supporters to forever believe Trump was robbed. True or not, that's just my current take on things.
My initial post that got HHH's attention was just me saying what I don't like about this election where I also said I don't expect anything to happen anyway due to how much time has passed. If there's a smoking gun, the Trump team better present it ASAP if they want to actually contest this election.

I'm curious if he is just gonna finally step down or if he's going to put up any sort of fight. I think most of his current base will simmer down with time, but who knows? 2021 I expect to be 2020 but worse and Biden isn't doing much to alleviate that concern. The worst is yet to come, according to him.
 
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A billion people have no legal identity - but a new app plans to change that
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With no ID, millions can't vote, get a loan or open bank accounts.
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A billion people in the world have no legal identity.
Without an ID they can’t open a bank account, get a loan, or even vote.
Now a tech entrepreneur has come up with an answer.
Joseph Thompson’s digital app allows people to prove and protect their identity.
His company, AID:Tech, has also found a way to protect charity funds from corruption.
A legal identity is not just about opening a bank account: access to healthcare and your right to vote may depend on it. But just under 1 billion people in the world can’t prove who they are, according to the World Bank.

It’s an issue that tech entrepreneur Joseph Thompson has found a way to tackle. His start-up AID:Tech has created a digital app that allows people without official documents to create a personal legal identity.

A UN goal

Ensuring everyone has a legal identity, including birth registration, by 2030 is one of the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). It prompted the World Bank to launch its Identification for Development (ID4D) initiative in 2014.

The latest data from the Bank shows there are just over 987 million people in the world who have no legal identity, down from 1.5 billion in 2016. The majority live in low-income countries where almost 45% of women and 28% of men lack a legal ID.

For the almost 80 million people forced to flee their homes by war or persecution last year, the situation is even worse. Identity documents are often lost in the confusion and yet they can be vital to the success of their claim for refugee status.

A smartphone solution

Joseph Thompson mobile app blockchain legal identities
Joseph Thompson’s app paved the way for the first 'lockchain baby'.
Image: AID:Tech
Thompson’s app uses blockchain to preserve the user’s digital identity from interference, making it accessible only to the person whose ID it holds. As a digital solution, it goes with the grain of how many people in emerging economies manage their finances using smartphones.

A study of 15 developing nations identified 600 million people who have a smartphone but don’t have a bank account. Many of these people use digital payment apps to manage their money and these transactions can be used to digitally verify their identity.

What is the World Economic Forum doing to champion social innovation?




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More transparency for charities

Thompson hit on the idea after taking part in the gruelling six-day Marathon des Sables in the Sahara. He raised $122,000 for charity, but when he asked how the money had been spent, the charity was unable to tell him because it had no way to track individual donations.

“I’m not a humanitarian or anything, but I just thought there has to be a better way for transparency and traceability of fund transfer,” he says. So Thompson and his team created their ‘Transparency Engine’ which enables charities to follow the money they send to projects.

By making the transactions digital, not only can charities see that donations reached their intended recipients but, by using blockchain, the whole system is much more secure than sending cash.

Digital identity healthcare telecommunications smart cities telecommunications e-government social platforms e-commerce humanitarian response travel and mobility food and sustainability financial services
Why a digital identity matters.
The first blockchain baby

That’s when Thompson’s thoughts turned to helping solve the problem of people with no legal ID. One of the issues they face is registering the birth of a child. Women without legal ID face particular obstacles where laws require the father’s ID to be used when a birth is registered.

“We’ve got projects in Tanzania where we had the first baby in the world born on the blockchain,” says Thompson. “The mother who gave birth – she owned the data for the child. So she was building a data credit profile. She could prove she got the right medicine.”

AID:Tech, which recently signed off on a project that will help 2 million people, is also working on financial inclusion projects in Uganda, Nigeria and Southeast Asia. Now it’s turning its attention to helping the almost 40 million Europeans who lack access to financial services.

Last year, Thompson and AID:Tech won the Game Changer of the Year award from the Schwab Foundation for Social Entrepreneurship for the impact of their innovations on fighting corruption.

Social innovations are the focus of the Forum’s Pioneers of Change Summit this year. Sessions featuring speakers including Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, can be viewed online after the virtual event.
 
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A billion people have no legal identity - but a new app plans to change that
ATTENTION EDITORS - IMAGE 1 OF 22 OF PICTURE PACKAGE '7 BILLION, 7 STORIES - OVERCROWDED IN HONG KONG. SEARCH 'MONG KOK' FOR ALL IMAGES - People cross a street in Mong Kok district in Hong Kong, October 4, 2011. Mong Kok has the highest population density in the world, with 130,000 in one square kilometre. The world's population will reach seven billion on 31 October 2011, according to projections by the United Nations, which says this global milestone presents both an opportunity and a challenge for the planet. While more people are living longer and healthier lives, says the U.N., gaps between rich and poor are widening and more people than ever are vulnerable to food insecurity and water shortages. Picture taken October 4, 2011. REUTERS/Bobby Yip (CHINA - Tags: SOCIETY) - RTR2SQJP
With no ID, millions can't vote, get a loan or open bank accounts.
Image: REUTERS/Bobby Yip
20 Nov 2020
Douglas Broom
Senior Writer, Formative Content

The World Economic Forum COVID Action Platform

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Most Popular

This is what we know about the new COVID-19 variant, according to an expert
Lucy van Dorp · The Conversation 21 Dec 2020

Are we experiencing a K shaped recovery from COVID-19?
Kariappa Bheemaiah, Mark Esposito, and Terence Tse · MIT Technology Review Insights 22 Dec 2020

COVID-19 has fuelled a global ‘learning poverty’ crisis
Joao Pedro Azevedo · World Bank 22 Dec 2020
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Equipping future public leaders to transform the way governments innovate

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Digital Identity

Explore the latest strategic trends, research and analysis
This article is part of the Pioneers of Change Summit
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This is an experimental feature. Some words or names may be mispronounced. Does it sound good? Yes / No
A billion people in the world have no legal identity.
Without an ID they can’t open a bank account, get a loan, or even vote.
Now a tech entrepreneur has come up with an answer.
Joseph Thompson’s digital app allows people to prove and protect their identity.
His company, AID:Tech, has also found a way to protect charity funds from corruption.
A legal identity is not just about opening a bank account: access to healthcare and your right to vote may depend on it. But just under 1 billion people in the world can’t prove who they are, according to the World Bank.

It’s an issue that tech entrepreneur Joseph Thompson has found a way to tackle. His start-up AID:Tech has created a digital app that allows people without official documents to create a personal legal identity.

A UN goal

Ensuring everyone has a legal identity, including birth registration, by 2030 is one of the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). It prompted the World Bank to launch its Identification for Development (ID4D) initiative in 2014.

The latest data from the Bank shows there are just over 987 million people in the world who have no legal identity, down from 1.5 billion in 2016. The majority live in low-income countries where almost 45% of women and 28% of men lack a legal ID.

For the almost 80 million people forced to flee their homes by war or persecution last year, the situation is even worse. Identity documents are often lost in the confusion and yet they can be vital to the success of their claim for refugee status.

A smartphone solution

Joseph Thompson mobile app blockchain legal identities
Joseph Thompson’s app paved the way for the first 'lockchain baby'.
Image: AID:Tech
Thompson’s app uses blockchain to preserve the user’s digital identity from interference, making it accessible only to the person whose ID it holds. As a digital solution, it goes with the grain of how many people in emerging economies manage their finances using smartphones.

A study of 15 developing nations identified 600 million people who have a smartphone but don’t have a bank account. Many of these people use digital payment apps to manage their money and these transactions can be used to digitally verify their identity.

What is the World Economic Forum doing to champion social innovation?




Show
More transparency for charities

Thompson hit on the idea after taking part in the gruelling six-day Marathon des Sables in the Sahara. He raised $122,000 for charity, but when he asked how the money had been spent, the charity was unable to tell him because it had no way to track individual donations.

“I’m not a humanitarian or anything, but I just thought there has to be a better way for transparency and traceability of fund transfer,” he says. So Thompson and his team created their ‘Transparency Engine’ which enables charities to follow the money they send to projects.

By making the transactions digital, not only can charities see that donations reached their intended recipients but, by using blockchain, the whole system is much more secure than sending cash.

Digital identity healthcare telecommunications smart cities telecommunications e-government social platforms e-commerce humanitarian response travel and mobility food and sustainability financial services
Why a digital identity matters.
The first blockchain baby

That’s when Thompson’s thoughts turned to helping solve the problem of people with no legal ID. One of the issues they face is registering the birth of a child. Women without legal ID face particular obstacles where laws require the father’s ID to be used when a birth is registered.

“We’ve got projects in Tanzania where we had the first baby in the world born on the blockchain,” says Thompson. “The mother who gave birth – she owned the data for the child. So she was building a data credit profile. She could prove she got the right medicine.”

AID:Tech, which recently signed off on a project that will help 2 million people, is also working on financial inclusion projects in Uganda, Nigeria and Southeast Asia. Now it’s turning its attention to helping the almost 40 million Europeans who lack access to financial services.

Last year, Thompson and AID:Tech won the Game Changer of the Year award from the Schwab Foundation for Social Entrepreneurship for the impact of their innovations on fighting corruption.

Social innovations are the focus of the Forum’s Pioneers of Change Summit this year. Sessions featuring speakers including Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, can be viewed online after the virtual event.
I really wish there was a specific "schizophrenic rambling with too many words" reaction.
Also: read another book. With the Left, it's pop-culture twaddle, and with the Right, it's highly dated sci-fi dystopian fiction.
 
I'm curious if he is just gonna finally step down or if he's going to put up any sort of fight. I think most of his current base will simmer down with time, but who knows? 2021 I expect to be 2020 but worse and Biden isn't doing much to alleviate that concern. The worst is yet to come, according to him.
lol Trump isn't going to do shit.

He knew he lost fair and square on November 4. He's going to keep boosting nonsense to raise money for his scamPAC and the RNC as long as he can, but that has nothing to do with a 'fight', he's just raising money. Jan 20 he's gone.
 
lol Trump isn't going to do shit.

He knew he lost fair and square on November 4. He's going to keep boosting nonsense to raise money for his scamPAC and the RNC as long as he can, but that has nothing to do with a 'fight', he's just raising money. Jan 20 he's gone.
He and his supporters don't stop existing when he's not in the oval office and he's a professional shit stirrer.
 
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He and his supporters don't stop existing when he's not in the oval office and he's a professional shit stirrer.
Raising money isn't a fight, and conservatives are gay retards who don't object to their society being ruined, but want it to happen more slowly. They're born losers.
 
Raising money isn't a fight, and conservatives are gay retards who don't object to their society being ruined, but want it to happen more slowly. They're born losers.
I'm saying I'm interested in what he'll do, jeez calm your tits. I'm not inferring anything here, just saying I'm interested.
As for conservatives in general, I agree they're notoriously good at losing with pride.
 
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As much as Bush and Obama were tolerable stagnant eras, I'd rather see more Trumps and Bernies
The economy was stagnant only at the beginning (2001-2002) and the very end of Bush's presidency. In the rest of the years (2003-2007), economic growth on average was higher in comparison with Trump's presidency.
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