Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Rupin]

At the end of the day several people lost their jobs and the Toad feels it's a good time to gloat.

Those people ignored the writing on the wall. They’ve had a good 2 or 3 year warning and they ignored customer complaints about their books in favor of appeasing a certain set of people who really don’t support comics like that. They kept on pushing the same narrative that doesn’t sell books and turns customers away. Now it’s time for change. They don’t have to be CG, but they should have taken a closer look and what the more successful CGers were doing so they could have had the skill to survive out there outside of the mainstream.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

At the end of the day several people lost their jobs and the Toad feels it's a good time to gloat.

Sad they lost their jobs. They were also very bad at those jobs and having an industry propped up on failed fan-fiction of 100-year-old creative properties is the sorry state of our culture. I recommend everyone stop paying attention to corporate fan-fic and start paying attention to real creators like @FROG and myself.

 

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At the end of the day several people lost their jobs and the Toad feels it's a good time to gloat.

People lost jobs?

The same people who have been driving people out of the industry for disagreeing with them on twitter? The ones who blacklisted @FROG and others from being able to work? Who have literally conspired to destroy indy comics because the wrong people were doing them instead of going off and dying like they were supposed to?

Or, if they weren't part of the malicious 12 weirdos on Twitter, they were part of a machine that empowered them in the industry and did whatever it could to make sure they were protected from any repercussions of their actions. Or who were hiring untalented fucking hacks out of some kind of bullshit token diversity hire initiative to get them brownie points and maybe a pity handjob from the rainbow haired she-twink intern they hired.

Those people? The ones who took a 100 year old industry and ran it into the ground in a single decade? They lost jobs?

Good.

It is an EXCELLENT time to gloat. Everyone in CG has been warning them and EVS has been warning them louder than most.

 

[CheezzyMach]

at the end of the day all that matters is who is left standing

Meh, as long as they keep publishing Batman and Wonder Woman comics I don't care if the line gets trimmed down.

Those people ignored the writing on the wall. They’ve had a good 2 or 3 year warning and they ignored customer complaints about their books in favor of appeasing a certain set of people who really don’t support comics like that. They kept on pushing the same narrative that doesn’t sell books and turns customers away. Now it’s time for change. They don’t have to be CG, but they should have taken a closer look and what the more successful CGers were doing so they could have had the skill to survive out there outside of the mainstream.

AT&T taking a guillotine to DC Comics has nothing to do with Comicsgate and everything to do with the ongoing pandemic.

Even if wokeshit hadn't become trendy this would have still happened.

 

[Absurdity]

I see Jon well on the way to being a werecow like Nasser. There is no pride, there are no principles in Scivergate, only shekels and those who chase after them.

The stranglehold of the SJW Corporateers has succeeded in killing DC a lot sooner than it might have already during the utter collapse of our economic way of life as we know it. There's nothing here to really throatpuff about especially when all of the classic characters we wanted to see thrive are now on the brink of gender reassignment or outright cancellation. But we're all blessed to have Cyberfrog readily available and a joke comic based on the crossdressing hermaphrodite himself with a dash of an ancient 80's girl doll property that anyone under 40 can't remember or care about.

Like the magical Mormon undergarment that miraculously remains spotless after its wearer is decapitated, Sciverfraud survives. Yay for Ethan, yay for his money, yay for all of his paypiggies and his tadpoles and his suckerfish! But for everything else, including the "comics" we used to love, the dream is dead.

 

[Rupin]

Meh, as long as they keep publishing Batman and Wonder Woman comics I don't care if the line gets trimmed down.


AT&T taking a guillotine to DC Comics has nothing to do with Comicsgate and everything to do with the ongoing pandemic.

Even if wokeshit hadn't become trendy this would have still happened.

you’re delusional. If DC comics were making money I bet there would not have been three rounds of firings in that company. People wouldn’t be talking about why DC has cut so many titles from their lineup. CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic. DC has access to the customers via online sales but no one is buying their books on there either. Meanwhile, CG has managed to thrive during this period. Wokeshit has everything to do with why their sales have tanked.

 

[CheezzyMach]

you’re delusional. If DC comics were making money I bet there would not have been three rounds of firings in that company. People wouldn’t be talking about why DC has cut so many titles from their lineup. CG might not have anything to do with DC’s sales, but neither does the pandemic. DC has access to the customers via online sales but no one is buying their books on their either. Meanwhile, CG has managed to thrive during this period. Wokeshit has everything to do with why their sales have tanked.

Comics went woke in the first place because they weren't selling.

In fact sales of comics have increased since they went "woke"

in 2012 comic sales topped out at $805 million, in 2019 they sold 1.2 billion .

DC as a brand is making money just fine * That new Wonder Woman film did so well WB's already fast tracked a sequel and merchandise continues to sell like hotcakes * only the periodicals are in trouble and that honestly has more to do with the magazine format in general declining as Graphic novels are now dominating the North American comics market.

 

[Rupin]

Comics went woke in the first place because they weren't selling.

In fact sales of comics have increased since they went "woke"

in 2012 comic sales topped out at $805 million, in 2019 they sold 1.2 billion .

DC as a brand is making money just fine * That new Wonder Woman film did so well WB's already fast tracked a sequel and merchandise continues to sell like hotcakes * only the periodicals are in trouble and that honestly has more to do with the magazine format in general declining as Graphic novels are now dominating the North American comics market.

Which is exactly what I am talking about. DC is doing the same thing as Marvel and depending on their movies. Which isn’t really part of the conversation. Really those are two separate entities since no one on the movie side of things is chopping the way they are in comic book side of things.

This arguement about comic sales increasing is very deceiving. The sales increase has to do with graphic novels and their YA stuff costing more than A floppy would and that is only retailer sales. In reality most of these books are collecting dust on the shelf because actual customers aren’t buying them, just the retailers. This is why AT&T is saying screw the comics and focusing on the movies since they already own the characters and have ton of good stories from the past to make blockbuster flicks from.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Which is exactly what I am talking about. DC is doing the same thing as Marvel and depending on their movies. Which isn’t really part of the conversation. Really those are two separate entities since no one on the movie side of things is chopping the way they are in comic book side of things.

This arguement about comic sales increasing is very deceiving. The sales increase has to do with graphic novels and their YA stuff costing more than A floppy would and that is only retailer sales. In reality most of these books are collecting dust on the shelf because actual customers aren’t buying them, just the retailers. This is why AT&T is saying screw the comics and focusing on the movies since they already own the characters and have ton of good stories from the past to make blockbuster flicks from.

DC and Marvel have been mostly dependent on licensing to make money for decades at this point dude.

Ironically DC was almost shuttered in the 70s by it's new owner Time Warner because the stuff they were putting out wasn't selling they only survived then because the new president of DC convinced the suits that the comics could be farmed for new content for movies and merchandise and the 80s comic boom basically solidified that decision.

Dude Comichron itself even acknowledges Graphic novels and book stores are what's pushing sales of American comics now and book stores are not going to stock shit that doesn't sale like an LCS does.

I'll acknowledge though that that figure doesn't break down by publisher so it's fairly useless to use as a metric of Marvel/DC's success but I was using it more to illustrate that comics' problems aren't wokeness if anything bandwagoning on a popular social trend should either cause no damage or actively help it * see the film and video game industry *.

 

[GranDuke]

ATT is 150 billion in debt and they don't give a shit if Batman is selling 100k or 250k issues each month. They are trying to optimise their entire business and they'd be firing people from DC that they think are redundant or bad even if DC's sales were 5 times higher than they are now.

 

[CheezzyMach]

ATT is 150 billion in debt and they don't give a shit if Batman is selling 100k or 250k issues each month. They are trying to optimise their entire business and they'd be firing people from DC that they think are redundant or bad even if DC's sales were 5 times higher than they are now.

Like I said in the comics sperg thread I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about DC's future given the slew of firings and massive cut to the line right before a major relaunch. But thinking this has anything to do with muh culture war or a gay internet nerd slapfight is asinine.

 

[FROG]

Meh, as long as they keep publishing Batman and Wonder Woman comics I don't care if the line gets trimmed down.


AT&T taking a guillotine to DC Comics has nothing to do with Comicsgate and everything to do with the ongoing pandemic.

Even if wokeshit hadn't become trendy this would have still happened.

AT&T planned to do this in October of 2019, when their investors met with them and demanded they divest themselves of unprofitable operations that weren't directly related to HBO Max.

I reported that this meeting was going to happen over the Summer of 2019, when I read about it in an article on CNBC. The comics industry ignored that news. Also during that time, I was told that DC Comics executives were telling their editors that if they didn't produce something amazing with this 5G project, the lights were getting shut off. I reported on that too, and no one believed me. I got that from really good sources.

The lights were always going to get shut off anyhow.

DC Comics has been tapdancing as hard as they could for a focused, debt-ridden corporation that doesn't care about them.

The pandemic is an interesting accelerator, but it has nothing to do with what's happening at DC Comics now.

Comics went woke in the first place because they weren't selling.

In fact sales of comics have increased since they went "woke"

in 2012 comic sales topped out at $805 million, in 2019 they sold 1.2 billion .

DC as a brand is making money just fine * That new Wonder Woman film did so well WB's already fast tracked a sequel and merchandise continues to sell like hotcakes * only the periodicals are in trouble and that honestly has more to do with the magazine format in general declining as Graphic novels are now dominating the North American comics market.

Yes, sales were sliding, and so SJWs convinced the comics biz to adapt and change for a different audience in order to increase sales. "If you include more trans, gays and women, you'll sell to trans, gays and women! That'll double your sales!"

That's what SJWs do. I was there, and remember my peers saying this stupid shit to me.

Instead, sales slid further, and so Marvel and DC responded to this by increasing the cover price, lowering the quality of the paper and ink, and flooding the shelves with unsellable shit with dozens of variant covers. That was the mirage you are describing in increased, but untenable, revenue. "WOKE" caused more "BROKE", it was never the answer to it.

 

[CheezzyMach]

AT&T planned to do this in October of 2019, when their investors met with them and demanded they divest themselves of unprofitable operations that weren't directly related to HBO Max.

I reported that this meeting was going to happen over the Summer of 2019, when I read about it in an article on CNBC. The comics industry ignored that news. Also during that time, I was told that DC Comics executives were telling their editors that if they didn't produce something amazing with this 5G project, the lights were getting shut off. I reported on that too, and no one believed me. I got that from really good sources.

The lights were always going to get shut off anyhow.

DC Comics has been tapdancing as hard as they could for a focused, debt-ridden corporation that doesn't care about them.



Yes, sales were sliding, and so SJWs convinced the comics biz to adapt and change for a different audience in order to increase sales. "If you include more trans, gays and women, you'll sell to trans, gays and women! That'll double your sales!"

That's what SJWs do. I was there, and remember my peers saying this stupid shit to me.

Instead, sales slid further, and so Marvel and DC responded to this by increasing the cover price, lowering the quality of the paper and ink, and flooding the shelves with unsellable shit with dozens of variant covers. That was the mirage you are describing in increased, but untenable, revenue. "WOKE" caused more "BROKE", it was never the answer to it.

Dude you even said yourself that your prediction DC is closing in June is based on a what if that might not even be true and you've been saying they're dying for years at this point.

It took a global pandemic for your "prediction" to maybe come true and even then like Granduke and me said AT&T would be putting the squeeze on DC even if wokeness had never caught on.

And? Wokeness has not harmed any other industry it has "infected" despite youtube culture warriors' insistence infact almost everything you guys claim as a case of "Go Woke Get Broke" has made millions of dollars sometimes billions. * Captain Marvel,TLOU2 and Disney's Star Wars are all big examples *

If the film and video game industries are booming in spite of dangerhair infiltration then why does Comicgate treat it as a kiss of death for mainstream comics?

Is it because your brand is based on fighting the "culture war"?

 

[Absurdity]

The pandemic is an interesting accelerator, but it has nothing to do with what's happening at DC Comics now.

Either it is an accelerant or it has nothing to do with the situation, you can't be both something and nothing at the same time. Very hermaphroditic.

 

[A nameless trool]

Comics went woke in the first place because they weren't selling.

In fact sales of comics have increased since they went "woke"

in 2012 comic sales topped out at $805 million, in 2019 they sold 1.2 billion .

DC as a brand is making money just fine * That new Wonder Woman film did so well WB's already fast tracked a sequel and merchandise continues to sell like hotcakes * only the periodicals are in trouble and that honestly has more to do with the magazine format in general declining as Graphic novels are now dominating the North American comics market.

I'd argue that these sales come from shoveling cheap, crap comics out there, comics made at a loss as pitches for movies and TV and variant covers.

What I see DV doing is optimizing the market: a monthly Batman, Superman, Flash, GL and JLA title makes sense, the rest can be mini series and/or GNs.
Marvel should probably do the same and it will make them make more profit and get their brand better. Imagine collectors being able to afford* EVERYTHING DC and Marvel does and how this can make for a stronger industry

*Everything = a couple titles more than the comics they buy each month already. Surely, $8 more would be no big deal, right?

 

[nosemouth]

<Pathetic tantrum snipped>

Anyway do me like frosty the snowman and give me some top hats.

Renfamous' DMs are open, I believe. If you want her to peg you, just ask.

 

[GranDuke]

Either it is an accelerant or it has nothing to do with the situation, you can't be both something and nothing at the same time. Very hermaphroditic.

Frog tried to argue that Zack dropping the suit was good and not an L before someone found his 8 month old tweets so I'm sure that 12 months later he'll talk again something about DC dying next spring.

 

[FROG]

Either it is an accelerant or it has nothing to do with the situation, you can't be both something and nothing at the same time. Very hermaphroditic.

Your mom's hermaphroditic.

Something can be an accelerant, but not the cause. A burning comic book can be burned quicker with lighter fluid poured on it.

It was already burning.

Frog tried to argue that Zack dropping the suit was good and not an L before someone found his 8 month old tweets so I'm sure that 12 months later he'll talk again something about DC dying next spring.

Invented bullshit. Looking at the bright side of a misfortune isn't arguing that it's "good."

I don't know how you can argue that DC Comics isn't dying, and hasn't been for a few years now. Does something need to be completely inert for you to consider it to be dying? Pure autism.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I don't give a shit what anyone says, you have to be some special kind of retard and sociopath to dance around, singing "I told you so, I told you so!" as a building collapses, taking pleasure at the sight of people who inconvenienced you lying in the rubble. DC comics is all but dead, many people lost their jobs in a pandemic economy, who the fuck is celebrating that?

Fucking Starlord, that's who.

I guess we see first-hand how generous the Toad's spirit is.

@X Pac Heat Ethan did not 'save comics'. Comics are completely incidental to the Toad's current business model. The comicsgate crowdfunding method is very spotty in it's public-facing mission of producing superior comics and placing them in customers hands, with more duds than successes. Two hidebound monoliths gasping and falling over does not correspond to the death of comics in the first place.

@TrunksFromDragonballGT I don't know what to say to you. Right now Nasser looks more intelligent than you do, by sheer virtue of not wading in with his non-facts.

 

[FROG]

I don't give a shit what anyone says, you have to be some special kind of retard and sociopath to dance around, singing "I told you so, I told you so!" as a building collapses, taking pleasure at the sight of people who inconvenienced you lying in the rubble. DC comics is all but dead, many people lost their jobs in a pandemic economy, who the fuck is celebrating that?

Fucking Starlord, that's who.

I guess we see first-hand how generous the Toad's spirit is.

@X Pac Heat Ethan did not 'save comics'. Comics are completely incidental to the Toad's current business model. The comicsgate crowdfunding method is very spotty in it's public-facing mission of producing superior comics and placing them in customers hands, with more duds than successes. Two hidebound monoliths gasping and falling over does not correspond to the death of comics in the first place.

@TrunksFromDragonballGT I don't know what to say to you. Right now Nasser looks more intelligent than you do, by sheer virtue of not wading in with his non-facts.

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