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https://www.cheknews.ca/pit-bull-attack-near-nanaimo-injures-two-children-and-one-woman-450395/

Two 8-month-old pit bulls that were loose in Nanaimo attacked several children, severely injuring at least one. Other people that came to aid the children were also injured.

The children were playing in a yard at the house of one of their friends. The dogs were from somewhere else in the neighborhood and had been cited for being at large previously.

One of the owners of the dogs came and got the dogs but did not stick around. The news interviewed the other owner, a Dangerhair that looked to be in her late 40s or early 50s. While she was devastated at what her dogs had done, she said to the reporter, "People are saying, look at this from the prospective of a parent, well, these dogs are my kids, too," and then she broke down crying.

It was later reported both dogs were euthanized, as there have been other incidents prior to this one, and due to the severity of the injuries the one particular child sustained.

To the dangerhair dog owner I would have to say, "If these dogs were your KIDS, you did a lousy job of raising them. Thank heavens you didn't spawn any of your own."
 
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Pit bulls just make me sad.

They were probably once dogs like any other, but were corrupted over several generations by greedy and evil people.

It’s literally a crime against nature.
A "superior" species takes takes control of another "inferior" species' breeding, making them into violent killing machines, to the point where fighting take precedence over normal biological functions. All for money and thier own amusement. Later, the breeded creatures' descendants were released to stalk, maim and kill other creatures, including other breeding lines of the same species and most ironically, the descendants of the breeders themselves, particularly their young.

It's all very Lovecraftian, isn't it?
 
All the pugs I've met were lovable fat sweethearts.
They're rarely mean, but they have serious health problems. They have almost non-existent snouts and small chests, so they have serious breathing problems and thermoregulation issues (and are prone to gassiness). Their eyes don't fit well in their skull, which means they injure easily, or even can have their eyes literally pop out altogether from a light hit to the head. Their facial wrinkles can trap dirt and germs and so ought to be cleaned to prevent infection. And like many purebreds, they have hip problems to boot.

The irony here is that pug owners brag that they're "smart", but I don't think owning an animal with such extensive health issues makes anyone smart.
 
They're rarely mean, but they have serious health problems. They have almost non-existent snouts and small chests, so they have serious breathing problems and thermoregulation issues (and are prone to gassiness). Their eyes don't fit well in their skull, which means they injure easily, or even can have their eyes literally pop out altogether from a light hit to the head. Their facial wrinkles can trap dirt and germs and so ought to be cleaned to prevent infection. And like many purebreds, they have hip problems to boot.

The irony here is that pug owners brag that they're "smart", but I don't think owning an animal with such extensive health issues makes anyone smart.
All flat snouted dogs have health issues and it's sad that it's brushed off with "but they're so cute!" Very cute for a dog to have to live it's live with a nose that falls apart because it's not even wet, can barely breathe, and can have a host of other health problems. Not to mention how crushed their skulls are. A whole heap of issues need to be addressed in dog breeding but I doubt puppy mills will die any time soon.
 
They're rarely mean, but they have serious health problems. They have almost non-existent snouts and small chests, so they have serious breathing problems and thermoregulation issues (and are prone to gassiness). Their eyes don't fit well in their skull, which means they injure easily, or even can have their eyes literally pop out altogether from a light hit to the head. Their facial wrinkles can trap dirt and germs and so ought to be cleaned to prevent infection. And like many purebreds, they have hip problems to boot.

The irony here is that pug owners brag that they're "smart", but I don't think owning an animal with such extensive health issues makes anyone smart.
I'll be honest. Pugs should be sterilized and sunsetted as a breed, but I'll take three for myself. I love them but they're unjustifiable.
 
Self-defined pit bull rescuer killed by pit bull in Moses Lake, Washington
October 10, 2020 By Merritt Clifton

Moses Lake rescinded restrictions on possession of pit bulls under advocacy pressure in 2011

MOSES LAKE, Washington––Zachary S. Willis, 27, a self-proclaimed pit bull rescuer with little verifiable record of actual involvement with pit bulls, was on October 9, 2020 identified to media by Grant County Sheriff’s Office public information officer Kyle Foreman as the victim of a fatal pit bull attack in Moses Lake, Washington, a day earlier.
The female pit bull owner, not yet named, also suffered “serious but non-life-threatening injuries consistent with a dog attack,” Foreman said.
Willis died at the scene, the first known pit bull fatality in Washington state since legislation undoing community bans on possession of pit bulls took effect on January 1, 2020.
Moses Lake had an ordinance restricting pit bulls in effect for 27 months in 2009-2011 before it was undone by a coalition of local and national pit bull advocates, presaging the multi-year drive that finally passed the state ban on pit bull bans.

Pit bull lived in home with victims


Grant County Sheriff’s Office public information officer Foreman told media that the pit bull who killed Willis lived in the same home as the victims, a trailer at the Harvest Manor Mobile Home Park in central Moses Lake; that the pit bull was injured during the fatal altercation; and that the pit bull is receiving local veterinary care.

Foreman did not, however, identify the relationship of the human victims.

KOMO News, in Seattle, reported on October 9, 2020 that Willis’ “wife survived but remains hospitalized.”

But ANIMALS 24-7 found no indication in either accessible public records or in reviewing more than five years’ worth of Willis’ frequent Facebook postings that he had ever been married or even had a significant “other.”

Circumstantial indications are that the woman may have been a 45-year-old co-worker with Willis at the Walmart Supercenter in Moses Lake, with whom Willis merely shared a residence. This information will be updated as further details become available.

Dubious alternate theory


Willis appeared to be an introverted loner, devoted to his two cats––a Siamese and a tabby––who battled chronic depression, smoked marijuana, and was an online gamer.

Mourning Willis as her best friend of many years, María Laurencia Gonzalez of Quincy, 37 miles from Moses Lake by car, started a Facebook discussion that produced a shaky alternate theory of how he died, posted by Ana Tamayo Ramos of Quincy.

“The dog did not just randomly attack his owner,” Ramos alleged. “That man was being stabbed by his girlfriend and the dog simply tried protecting his owner by attacking the woman. Neighbors said that there was always domestic violence in that home. Neighbors heard him yelling “get off of me” to her and her saying no.”

Again, however, Willis had posted nothing in at least five years to indicate that he was in any sort of live-in relationship with anyone, abusive or otherwise, and both “get off of me” and “no” might well have been directed toward the attacking pit bull.

“More than just a dog attack”

“I’m really hoping the full story comes out and my family can get the answers they deserve,” posted Willis’ stepsister Ashley Close to Facebook. “This is more than just a ‘dog attack.’”

While María Laurencia Gonzalez had posted photos of her pit bull, neither pit bulls in specific nor dogs in general appear to have had a big place in the lives and concerns of either Willis or his immediate associates.

The only recent online hint of a dog in Willis’ home was a photo he posted of a possibly dog-chewed e-cigarette, with a complaint about a person or persons he did not name having refused to take responsibility for damage to that and several previous e-cigarettes.

2015 pit bull rescue


But Willis on July 26, 2015 was “Trying to find the home of this beautiful dog,” he posted to Facebook beneath a photo of a fawn-colored pit bull with a white chest.

“He has scars,” Willis added, “and that is how I will release him to his rightful owner,” apparently meaning that Willis intended to match the scars to photos and/or descriptions of a missing pit bull.

Responded someone calling herself Kate Marie, “Uh I’m his new owner.”

Replied Willis, “I have him now, but he’s killed 12-15 chickens this morning and I saved him from a shotgun death.

Answered Kate Marie, “What? Poor baby,” meaning the pit bull, not the 12-15 chickens who were dismembered alive.

“They trained him to kill,” Kate Marie claimed.

“I saved one. I’ll save many more.”


“Now he [the pit bull] is going to a United Kennel Club breeder to be retrained and taught,” Willis added. “Yes, I saved one. I’ll save many more.”

In the same thread, Willis mentioned that the pit bull “was loving my kitten and wanted to destroy my older cat. He didn’t even have a problem with my dog, was just a little curious,” Willis allowed.

The dog Willis had at the time, named Pogo, died apparently from conditions of age not long afterward.

“A dog is only as his owner raises him,” Willis added, reciting a series of familiar pit bull advocacy tropes. “Treat and raise a good dog [and] he will be a good dog. Teach him different and he becomes a bad dog. This is why so many people misinterpret this breed. I even told my step dad to @#$% off because I know right from wrong and his ass don’t.”

Despite Willis’ stated intent to “save many more” pit bulls, his Facebook page documented involvement with only one more––and that was only sharing a posting from a woman named Bonnie Remington in Huetter, Idaho, who had found a stray pit bull with a Moses Lake microchip.

Desert counties were hubs of BSL battle

Grant County, where Willis was fatally attacked, Yakima County, adjacent to the southwest, and Benton County, directly south, were the hub of a battle over breed-specific legislation in Washington that has now raged for more than 30 years amid a rising human and animal body count.

The city of Yakima banned pit bulls in July 1987 after a pit bull mauled two women, Gloria Echeverria and Joanne Sanchez, but was not impounded by Yakima animal control.

Later in the day, according to Seattle Times coverage, the pit bulls “ran out from an alley, knocked Mark Felker to the ground, chewed off part of his left ear, and bit him on both arms.”

All three victims sued the city of Yakima and are believed to have accepted settlements in the vicinity of $25,000 each.

Yakima County

The American Dog Owners Association and Yakima residents David Carvo and Mark and Bonnie Johnson filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the Yakima pit bull ban, but the Washington state supreme court on August 24, 1989 unanimously upheld the ban.

The Yakima city council then reaffirmed the ban four times in the five years before it was overturned by the state legislation now in effect, first introduced in 1991 but not passed until 2019.

Three other Yakima County communities––Selah, Moxee and Wapato––subsequently adopted and repeatedly upheld pit bull bans. A fourth Yakima County community, Prosser, passed a pit bull ban but then repealed it in 2005.

Benton & Grant counties


Pit bull advocates in Richland, the second largest city in Benton County, in December 2006 killed a proposed ordinance which would have defined pit bulls as “potentially dangerous.”

Royal City, however, in Grant County, simultaneously adopted a ban on possession of pit bulls and Rottweilers, even in cars passing through town.

Moses Lake took no action on pit bulls until after a neighbor’s 70-pound pit bull in September 2008 forced open a gate and severely facially mauled six-year-old Alex Medina in his family’s back yard, despite the efforts of at least six adults to protect him.

Taking note that pit bulls made up about a third of local animal shelter dog intake, the Moses Lake City Council on November 28, 2008 declared pit bulls, Rottweilers and Presa Canarios to be hazardous dogs. Any of those breeds already within Moses Lake could remain, but had to be sterilized. The ordinance took effect on April 16, 2009.

Other Grant Lake communities including Soap Lake and Quincy soon passed parallel ordinances.

More Moses Lake incidents

The Moses Lake ordinance, however, was repealed in October 2011, under pressure of a lawsuit brought by pit bull owners and advocates.

Among ensuing pit bull incidents in Moses Lake, a city of barely 20,000 people, a two-year-old girl was attacked by a pit bull in November 2013, suffering approximately 50 puncture wounds from bites, according to medical personnel who reported the attack to the Grant County Sheriff’s Office.

Moses Lake police officer Aaron Hintz on September 28, 2015 shot a pit bull, who survived, after pepper spray failed to deter the pit bull from attacking two pedestrians and himself. Found running at large, the pit bull had already been retrieved and returned home by a member of the household, but escaped to charge Hintz again, according to the police report. Moses Lake police captain Dave Sands told media that there had been previous complaints about the pit bull menacing people.

On October 28, 2016, a member of the Moses Lake Tactical Response Team shot a female pit bull while helping the Interagency Narcotics Enforcement Team to serve a search warrant. Heroin and drug paraphernalia were reportedly seized from the scene and three people were arrested on outstanding warrants.

Behavioral testing


The new Washington state law technically allows towns including Soap Lake and Quincy to retain ordinances recognizing pit bulls and various other high-risk breeds as uniquely dangerous, but allows owners to avoid special restrictions if their dogs have passed the American Kennel Club Canine Good Citizen test or “a reasonably equivalent” behavior test.

Since there is no way to tell at a glance if a dog has passed a behavior test, there is no way for law enforcement personnel to quickly identify dogs who may be kept in violation of local ordinances.
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Meanwhile at least 75 dogs who had apparently passed behavioral screening have participated in killing 44 people since 2001, including 52 pit bulls, five Presa Canarios or bull mastiffs, four Rottweilers, three “English bull dogs,” two German shepherds, two Great Danes, and one each of Akita, Boerboel, boxer, Doberman, golden retriever, husky, and unidentified breed.

TL;DR Some guy decides to save a pitbull with a history of killing chickens, ends up like a chicken himself, and his girlfiend ends up merely wounded.
 
the "it's the owner, not the breed" types will be crawling over each other to adopt her.
Old response but this reminded me of something.

Remember Tara the cat, or Tara the "hero cat"? She was a senior cat that defended her little boy from an attack by a (surprisingly non pit bull) dog that attacked him unprovoked like a heat-seeking missile.

Apparently the place where the dog was held in quarantine was flooded with calls begging for the dog to not be put down and petitions were signed to allow it to live. Who watched video footage of a dog attacking a child unprovoked, literally going missile-mode on the kid, and cries for it to love? R/childfree maybe? I mean it's not like someone's dog was gonna be euthanized because it killed a cat on its owner's property or a dog attacked a trespasser.
 
Old response but this reminded me of something.

Remember Tara the cat, or Tara the "hero cat"? She was a senior cat that defended her little boy from an attack by a (surprisingly non pit bull) dog that attacked him unprovoked like a heat-seeking missile.

Apparently the place where the dog was held in quarantine was flooded with calls begging for the dog to not be put down and petitions were signed to allow it to live. Who watched video footage of a dog attacking a child unprovoked, literally going missile-mode on the kid, and cries for it to love? R/childfree maybe? I mean it's not like someone's dog was gonna be euthanized because it killed a cat on its owner's property or a dog attacked a trespasser.
I remember when that happened a lot of people immediately blamed the kid, insisted that the dog couldn't possibly attacked unprovoked, the kid must have done something to make it attack him. Even though the security camera made it clear that the kid wasn't even aware of the dog before it decided to gnaw on his leg. Really sad that a known violent dog is more important than any other life. At least the Bakersfield Animal Care Center had their heads on right and didn't listen to all the calls and petitions. They don't always ignore the complaints, especially in the cases when pits are involved.
 
All the pugs I've met were lovable fat sweethearts.

I've got a 7 year old Pug, a 2 1/2 year old Great Dane/Weimaraner mix, and a 2 1/2 Schnauzer/Labrador mix. All three of my dogs are really good with my sons, really tolerant and sweet. Neither of them have been anything but loving towards my boys, but I've also raised my boys to be gentle and respectful with animals. My Pug is a sweet, lazy, prissy loaf. She occasionally has breathing problems when she gets overly excited or physically exerts herself, but she's in good health overall and I carefully maintain all their diets. However, I'll never own another Pug or other severely brachycephalic breed again. I love their personality and behavior, but the fawn coated Pugs shed like a mother, and the potential for health issues, breathing problems, and eye injuries aren't something I ever want to potentially deal with again.

My Great Weimar, on the other hand, I'd gladly have another in the future. He's been one of the best dogs I've ever had. He's incredibly smart, loyal, sweet, gentle, easy to train, mellow, friendly, and he's been great with my boys and my other pets. Since I've got kids I'd never own a breed known for aggressive behavior, like Rotties or Dobermans. I know any dog can be aggressive, but there are several breeds that are better suited to be in families with children. I'll never understand how any parent would be willing to put the safety of their children at risk by bringing in a dog that's part of a breed known for aggressive behavior, like Shit Bulls.
 
Since I've got kids I'd never own a breed known for aggressive behavior, like Rotties or Dobermans. I know any dog can be aggressive, but there are several breeds that are better suited to be in families with children. I'll never understand how any parent would be willing to put the safety of their children at risk by bringing in a dog that's part of a breed known for aggressive behavior, like Shit Bulls.
I agree. I wouldn't bring children near a Pitbull - not without my rifle.

Now on the subject of Rottweilers, I disagree a bit. I've had experience with the breed and they are less agressive then their media reputation would have you believe. (Although the ones I've dealt with would aggressively slobber you without mercy.) It likely is a combination of their multipurpose breeding, they are general purpose farm dogs so they are more cart and herding than guard dog. So they are actually very expressive and patient dogs, bred to deal with livestock even dumber than most humans.

Then again, it's always a case of how the specific dog and specific child has been raised and trained. A hellion child and an abused Golden will end in a mauling just as sure as an infant and a Pitbull would.

So I never let unknown dogs or children mix.
 
People who let their dogs (especially pibbles) off-leash on city streets deserve to be executed. IDGAF how “harmless” you think your dog is. Its ass can be harmless on a leash. Stick to your own property if you want to let your beasts roam free.
In my personal opinion from walking in parks (just normal parks), the off-leash dogs are always ill-trained and frequently aggressive, while the ones on leashes are frequently perfectly behaved angels. I still keep a wide, respectable distance though, especially with aggressive breeds.
 
I'll be honest. Pugs should be sterilized and sunsetted as a breed, but I'll take three for myself. I love them but they're unjustifiable.

If there's something to look forward to, there's been some efforts with ethical breeders (almost always disillusioned by groups like the AKC) in trying to undo the extremely crushed skull, and more potential owners are being educated by how much flat-faced breeds constantly suffer. They don't need to be destroyed since they're not demented, just deformed for human vanity. A few vets I've spoken with practice surgery that opens up the nostrils and palate and have said they're the only dogs who 'enjoy' the intubation tube because it's the first time in their lives they can breathe without struggling.

What is "BSL" ? It keeps getting referenced in the Reddit post as something that terrifies pitnutters.

'Breed Specific Legislation', basically breed bans. Any time someone gets eaten by a pitbull their first worry is losing their pits.
 
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