Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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True. And like some in the thread have said, so much of this is experimental that other surgeons might not even know wtf they're looking at, what the original surgeon actually did, or where to start with fixing it, so they're kind of captive market to the hack who did it.
Other doctors generally refuse to even touch that shit. Unlike the quack who originally did it, they have a reputation to protect and probably money to collect in a malpractice suit when they inevitably get blamed for the shit the quack butcher did, and that guy is probably long gone to Tijuana by that point.
 
Another owner of a stink-ditch is unhappy with the installation.

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"My libido has become non-existent and the lack of sensation would make it pointless to have sex anyway."

You chose to neuter yourself and have a permanent wound punched into your perineum. What did you expect?

Here are some pictures of the thing. If you just ate and click on these anyway... not my fault. Probably what the guy's surgeon told him.

Wound dehiscence.
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Last one is how it looks today. Apparently he went to a gyno, but what could a women's reproductive specialist have to offer him? "Uhh. try to keep the surgical site clean?"

 
Another owner of a stink-ditch is unhappy with the installation.

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"My libido has become non-existent and the lack of sensation would make it pointless to have sex anyway."

You chose to neuter yourself and have a permanent wound punched into your perineum. What did you expect?

Here are some pictures of the thing. If you just ate and click on these anyway... not my fault. Probably what the guy's surgeon told him.


Last one is how it looks today. Apparently he went to a gyno, but what could a women's reproductive specialist have to offer him? "Uhh. try to keep the surgical site clean?"

The good old deflated wrinkly ballsack "lips". It will never stop being hilarious that these cumbrains think MULTILATING YOUR DICK & BALLS makes them coom more. Looney troon fantasy land is a bizarre place where men are women & vice versa, lesbians love to suck girldick & dick multilation leads to full body orgasms.

And when reality finally rears her terfy head they either go into denial mode or 41% themselves.
 
Remember when those "miracle elixers" turned out to be cheap rum with random shit mixed in it?

This is the modern equivalent, unfortunately.
Except if you bought that miracle elixir, you'd at least have some rum (and maybe even some opium), not a hatchet wound in your crotch where your dick used to be.
 
Another owner of a stink-ditch is unhappy with the installation.

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"My libido has become non-existent and the lack of sensation would make it pointless to have sex anyway."

You chose to neuter yourself and have a permanent wound punched into your perineum. What did you expect?

Here are some pictures of the thing. If you just ate and click on these anyway... not my fault. Probably what the guy's surgeon told him.


Last one is how it looks today. Apparently he went to a gyno, but what could a women's reproductive specialist have to offer him? "Uhh. try to keep the surgical site clean?"

It's always hilarious to me when they desperately use anatomical terms, like vulva, labia, and especially clitoris, lol nope, you have none of that. Do they even know what a clitoris is and how it looks/works like? What they have is ballsack and penis glans, nothing else. Also, it looks horrifying, though I guess at least it's zero depth (why does he have to add that there is no lubrication, where should it come from anyway?) and there is no additional gaping hole?
 
The good old deflated wrinkly ballsack "lips". It will never stop being hilarious that these cumbrains think MULTILATING YOUR DICK & BALLS makes them coom more. Looney troon fantasy land is a bizarre place where men are women & vice versa, lesbians love to suck girldick & dick multilation leads to full body orgasms.

And when reality finally rears her terfy head they either go into denial mode or 41% themselves.
It's because the all of what, 2% of these lunatics who comes through the surgery with any ability to feel positive stimuli in what used to be the head of their penis (usually what's used to make the "clit") immediately takes to the internet to claim that they have "female orgasms". From what I've read, what they mean is that they're capable of some minor degree of blunted sexual pleasure that's difficult to obtain and takes ages to reach what they claim is an orgasm. Because that's their perception, based solely on popular media, of what a "female orgasm" is like.

Basically, troons know as little about the female orgasm as they do about the female vulva, and they spread myths accordingly and believe each other when they say "guys my totes realistic vagina had a totes realistic female orgasm I swear!"

It's so ridiculous and would be hilarious if it weren't so misogynistic.
 
I remember the transgender model, Isis, from America's Next Top Model when she was interviewed on Tyra Banks' show, with her husband, after getting the SRS. This was like 10+ years ago, Tyra asked her if she still able to orgasm and Isis said like "definitely, it's the same, or better." They talked about the sex life on the show like it was very positive after SRS, I wonder how much was true. I kind of just believe her at the time, now seeing the horrors of this thread it puts her experience in a different light to me. I wonder how she's doing now. Isis was the first trans person I heard of when I saw her on the show ANTM in 2000's.

Also interesting was her husband said on Tyra's show, he fell in love Isis when she was still identified as male but continued to be with her despite he otherwise identified as gay. Though Tyra show is admittedly trash, they did have some crazy conversations that would not be allowed to have in this year, let alone on a popular mainstream TV show.
Honestly, there are two ways it could go:
1) He's (and by he I mean "Isis," I use fact-based pronouns) an AGP fetishist of some flavor and he genuinely perceives the sex to be better because it is fulfilling his fetish / the mental component is there. Mentality and emotion are hugely important in good sex (typically) - if your focus is on how this isn't perfect because your husband is fucking you up the ass and not in your non-existent vagina, the sex isn't going to be very fulfilling for you. But if you're a misogynistic autogynephile who feels that he's finally being "treated like a real woman" (because these dudes always think a woman's sole purpose is to be fucked by men 🙄) because he's getting penetrated in the wound-hole with a penis... you're probably having a good time even if you barely have any sensation left down there.
2) He's lying his ass off, as he feels the need to tell himself that the sex is fabulous and amazing (probably using as justification "well my husband sometimes orgasms when he can sufficiently pretend my gaping wound full of shit bacteria is an asshole"), because if he doesn't he has to admit that he destroyed his body and his sex well past the point of no return and it was all for nothing.

I feel bad for his husband. Imagine being hooked up to a narcissist so severe that he makes you get up on a stage and claim to be "gay with an exception" when you're still literally married to a man. That poor dude has to be up there acting like a poster-boy for conversion therapists ("look he did find the 'right woman'! gays can have exceptions!") when, again, he is literally married to a whole ass man. His head must be ready to explode at all times.

ETA: A bit of googling seems to indicate that "Isis" is currently single, so it looks like his husband couldn't keep up the charade. Good for him, honestly.
 
Honestly, there are two ways it could go:
1) He's (and by he I mean "Isis," I use fact-based pronouns) an AGP fetishist of some flavor and he genuinely perceives the sex to be better because it is fulfilling his fetish / the mental component is there. Mentality and emotion are hugely important in good sex (typically) - if your focus is on how this isn't perfect because your husband is fucking you up the ass and not in your non-existent vagina, the sex isn't going to be very fulfilling for you. But if you're a misogynistic autogynephile who feels that he's finally being "treated like a real woman" (because these dudes always think a woman's sole purpose is to be fucked by men 🙄) because he's getting penetrated in the wound-hole with a penis... you're probably having a good time even if you barely have any sensation left down there.
2) He's lying his ass off, as he feels the need to tell himself that the sex is fabulous and amazing (probably using as justification "well my husband sometimes orgasms when he can sufficiently pretend my gaping wound full of shit bacteria is an asshole"), because if he doesn't he has to admit that he destroyed his body and his sex well past the point of no return and it was all for nothing.

I feel bad for his husband. Imagine being hooked up to a narcissist so severe that he makes you get up on a stage and claim to be "gay with an exception" when you're still literally married to a man. That poor dude has to be up there acting like a poster-boy for conversion therapists ("look he did find the 'right woman'! gays can have exceptions!") when, again, he is literally married to a whole ass man. His head must be ready to explode at all times.

ETA: A bit of googling seems to indicate that "Isis" is currently single, so it looks like his husband couldn't keep up the charade. Good for him, honestly.
If Kevin Gibes is any indication it's definitely #2. TBH I'm surprised they didn't go the whole old fashioned "women don't have orgasms" route.
 
Another owner of a stink-ditch is unhappy with the installation.

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"My libido has become non-existent and the lack of sensation would make it pointless to have sex anyway."

You chose to neuter yourself and have a permanent wound punched into your perineum. What did you expect?

Here are some pictures of the thing. If you just ate and click on these anyway... not my fault. Probably what the guy's surgeon told him.


Last one is how it looks today. Apparently he went to a gyno, but what could a women's reproductive specialist have to offer him? "Uhh. try to keep the surgical site clean?"

My first thought was "at least he's not able to contribute to the gene pool anymore". Thank god.
 
Isis is your garden variety HSTS and when she first appeared on ANTM was pre-op, but of course the excuse for that was that she couldn't afford it. So Tyra, being a complete asshole, invited Isis to the Tyra Banks Show and introduced her to Bowers and essentially put her on the spot to get the surgery. I'm almost willing to bet if that hadn't happen, Isis would still have male genitals and maybe even stayed married.
 
Tyra Banks is so weird. I feel even worse for Isis knowing the surgery probably wasn't even what she wanted.
This feels like the end result of describing these horrifying surgeries as “life saving” and banging on and on about how cruel this world is for not funding them. This feels exactly like Oprah giving you a college education or a new house- they keep crying that surgery is required or they’ll 41%, so of course it seems like a huge benevolent gift that will save this person from harm. The audience claps and cheers, and there is no saying “actually I like my dick??”

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Felt bad too, but now it’s gone- encouraging more violent troons in women’s prisons. Fuck you, Isis. Enjoy your surgical nightmare.
 
The FtM people that I've talked to about the bottom surgery seemed, for the most part, completely uninterested in the hack job flop sausage they'd get if they went under the knife. They opted to keep their genitalia intact because the choice was between having a healthy, functional, if undesirable, set of genitals versus a non-functional, revision-prone, lifetime infection risk surgical site on their groins. At least there are sex toys they can use with a vagina versus.... I don't know what in the hell you do with an anesthetized roll of sugar cookie dough attached to your body. They don't know, either, and opted to pass on the bottom surgery. Gay men don't want anything to do with that shit and it's no good for having penetrative sex with.

The communities are extremely different between MtF and FtM people. The trans men I talked to were able to have honest conversations about the surgery and ask questions without getting branded as some kind of race traitor. The MtF trannies are so focused on a fuckable vagina as an end goal that they haze each other into getting experimental surgery.
I think it’s also because the “hitting a brick wall” stage comes a lot sooner for FTMs just because of how quickly and radically testosterone starts to take effect. Reality seems to set in for the trenders/fujoshi and insecure girls around the HRT phase when they start breaking out and growing body hair everywhere except the places they wanted it, or when they get frog croaks instead of a smooth baritone.

Between that and the number of dildo and strap on substitute alternatives out there, it makes sense that the number of FTMs that go all the way to bottom surgery is slim.
 
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Oh and speaking of Marci Bowers, I recently found she was also the surgeon who was agreed to do the SRS on Skylar Deleon--you know, the guy who senselessly murdered a middle-aged couple by throwing them out to sea, so he could steal and sell their boat. Why did he do this, you ask? To fund his SRS of course! You know, the way normal women kill people to get what they want...and then had the nerve to ask the state to pay for his surgery after he was fucking incarcerated.
Bowers what? Deleon actually got it? My first instinct was disgust and anger that this fucker got what he wanted in the end just because he went "me wooman." But y'know what? Neovaginas are hard as fuck to maintain in a clean enough environment (I remember reading a study about how even the best maintained ones were full of nasty bacteria not found in true and honest vaginas (and I'm not just talking fecal bacteria either)). Prison isn't exactly pristine. Add butcher Bowers into the mix, and Deleon may end up saving California a lot of taxpayer money in the end, assuming that he isn't just outright denied dilators or something and the hole closes up.

(Also, didn't Deleon try to give himself a DIY chop? Yeah, that totally shows mental stability. Isn't that exactly what WPATH used to try to prove before someone got medical transitioning? If this was even ten years ago, no neovag for him.)
I think it’s also because the “hitting a brick wall” stage comes a lot sooner for FTMs just because of how quickly and radically testosterone starts to take effect. Reality seems to set in for the trenders/fujoshi and insecure girls around the HRT phase when they start breaking out and growing body hair everywhere except the places they wanted it, or when they get frog croaks instead of a smooth baritone.

Between that and the number of dildo and substitute alternatives out there, it makes sense that the number of FTMs that go all the way to bottom surgery is slim.
Nady/Milo Stewart went on T when she really shouldn't have. She stopped within like a month of taking it, but by then the changes had already started. Instead of sounding like a young woman she now eternally sounds like she has a frog in her throat. Further, Nady got top surgery (when she barely even had tits before? Whut). Her eyes look dead in the photos she posts. Part of me feels bad for her, in that I think deep down that she knows she fucked up and can't go back to normal, but on the other end she's a pompous ass and played stupid games and got stupid prizes. I can absolutely see her 41%ing down the road.
 
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