General GunTuber thread

[WhoBusTank69]

 

[aZk]

From Ian's video today it sounds like he's doing a lot of headstamp shit. The amount of original research that you'd have to do for a book on Warlord-era Chinese pistols is mind-blowing.

I also think that at the very least Ian is annoyed / embarrassed at Karls mask autism. Ian hasn't been photographed at any of Karls mask mandatory outdoor shooting match / sperg rallies as far as I can see and he's posted more match vids that a normal year.

I think the distance also started about the same time as Karl's polycuck gf, I suspect that might be a factor too. I know I can't really respect a person after I find something like that out about them, so that's my head cannon.

It’s interesting you mention the distance between Ian and Karl developing around the time that “Sarah Noir” entered the picture. way back when Ian and Karl were less “internet famous” their Facebook profiles were actually unlocked and you could go on and see their friend list etc. this was back prior to Karl divorcing his wife as well. At the time Karl and his then-wife and Ian and his wife/lady friend (I don’t know if they were married yet at the time) were all on each other’s Facebook friend lists. So I’m wondering if Ian and particularly Ian’s wife may have been IRL friends with Karl’s wife as well and the circumstances surrounding Karl’s divorce and new GF caused some strain. I don’t know if this is the case but my sense is Karl essentially dumped his wife for poly-girl, and that it may have been at least *somewhat* of a surprise to Karl’s wife when it went down. If Ian’s wife and maybe Ian himself were friends with Karl’s wife, such a move by Karl might have left a bad taste in the formers’ mouths, . Not enough to *wreck* the friendship between Ian and Karl, but enough that maybe Ian had mixed feelings - stuck straddling the line in that unenviable “I’m friends with *both* of you so I can’t choose a side” position. And perhaps Ian’s wife didn’t want Karl visiting her and Ian’s house anymore after his dick move, and all this when combined with a bunch of other steadily increasing cringe from Karl, Ian decided to start distancing himself.
I mean when Ian was working on the Vickers Guide books and doing those vids with Larry Vickers.....Larry and Ian probably *barely* get along as it is, given their probable political differences (milquetoast “small L” libertarian vs hard Right Rhodesia-nostalgist) and are probably united only by their mutual fondness fir weapons history...but can you *imagine* Karl being around during that? Just imagine Karl and Larry Vickers in the same room together...two massive egos (granted one of them actually having some real world shit in their background to justify it) Karl would have gone into cringe overdrive mode. Especially if it were current-year Uber-SJW Karl vs Larry “slot some floppies” Vickers.

I used to be an InRange patron and eventually dropped out like a year or so ago when Karl started getting on my nerves. Mostly it was how he came across in the Discord server. And yeah he seemed resentful/jealous of Ian back then too. He also at one point stated that he considered Cy and Lauren Hudson personal friends...but in Karl’s defense nobody knew how badly Hudson and the Hudson H9 were going to implode.
I do try to be fair to Karl, he is a legitimately talented shooter and it was his match videos that made me realize that I was a doughy piece of shit who was a terrible shot. So InRange really shamed me into getting off my couch to actually hit the range myself and shoot all these guns I had bought but really never did anything with. So today I’m like 60lbs lighter and a *much* better shooter than I used to be. As good as Karl? No, but much better than I used to be.
But Karl’s personality and some of his views just got to be too much to take. So I bailed from the InRange Patreon/Discord. And as it turned out at that point Karl was just getting started with the cringe and it was going to get so much worse.

 

[waffle]

The other possibility is that they are still friends, but Ian has just realized that Karl's spergery is radioactive so he's trying real hard to separate stuff so that his ship doesn't sink with Karl's. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Karl has an actual touch of the autsm, so maybe he just hasn't figured it out yet.

Ian seems savvy enough to know that he's generally more well liked and respected by the internet at large, and additionally Karl is probably an albatross around Ian's neck with regard to getting access to the more professional areas of the gun industry for his publishing stuff. Didn't Karl is piss off a bunch of industry people a couple years ago at shot show?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Didn't Karl is piss off a bunch of industry people a couple years ago at shot show?

They did quite a bit over the years, particularly hassling sales representatives.
The big one is fucking with Franklin Armory in that they promised to stop recording - but just covered the lens and recorded audio.
InRangeTV video:

Franklin Armory response via annoying guntuber:

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

Who would win in a sperg off: Paul Harrel or Karl the Cuck?

Realistic Meat Target vs. Mud Test.

 

[waffle]

Paul would put Karl down like he did those guys who tried to run his wife over.

Paul Harrel is fucking based and honestly has some of the best stuff on youtube, even though I don't agree with him on everything. Like his autistic hated of scopes.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

The hatred of scopes comes from a time when scopes were fragile and relying on them would mean you're fucked if they break. He sounds like Hank Hill complaining that kids these days aren't learning the fundamentals when he goes on about iron sites.

I forgot Paul has an actual kill count. Eastern Oregon sounds like a Mad Max shit hole.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

The other possibility is that they are still friends, but Ian has just realized that Karl's spergery is radioactive so he's trying real hard to separate stuff so that his ship doesn't sink with Karl's. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Karl has an actual touch of the autsm, so maybe he just hasn't figured it out yet.

Ian seems savvy enough to know that he's generally more well liked and respected by the internet at large, and additionally Karl is probably an albatross around Ian's neck with regard to getting access to the more professional areas of the gun industry for his publishing stuff. Didn't Karl is piss off a bunch of industry people a couple years ago at shot show?

It's not just about internet respect either for Ian. A lot of what he does with FW requires access to museums and other large collections so he needs an image of professionalism or he's risks losing access to those resources. If his name gets attached to a bunch of autism and shit posting those museum curators might stop letting him have access to their collections and then there goes FW.

 

[Panama]

It's not just about internet respect either for Ian. A lot of what he does with FW requires access to museums and other large collections so he needs an image of professionalism or he's risks losing access to those resources. If his name gets attached to a bunch of autism and shit posting those museum curators might stop letting him have access to their collections and then there goes FW.

Ian has built up a significant network in the historical firearms community, and public association with Karl could jeopardize that. So far, Ian has a published book, has visited private and state-owned collections in multiple countries, interviewed Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorn, and many others, and has established connections with well-respected researchers in other countries like Max Popenker (TKB-022 someday?).
What has Karl done? Meme tests in AZ, match videos in AZ, rants in the desert, dabbing on manufacturers at Shot Show a couple times, and Finnish Brutality. He's only a couple steps up from the average arfcom user, and is abrasive and unprofessional.

 

[Tour of Italy]

What has Karl done? Meme tests in AZ, match videos in AZ, rants in the desert, dabbing on manufacturers at Shot Show a couple times, and Finnish Brutality. He's only a couple steps up from the average arfcom user, and is abrasive and unprofessional.

Plus he reads this thread, which just warms my heart in a way that only KF can.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Ian's video today about R.L. Wilson definitely brought back memories of how shitty and toxic the collecting/gun writer community was pre-internet.

The only thing I miss about those days is that it was the Happy Times of milsurp collecting in terms of cost and variety; finding them was part of the fun, but prying them from the fingers of the crotchety spergs running gun show tables, not so much.

 

[Trig.Point]

Ian has built up a significant network in the historical firearms community, and public association with Karl could jeopardize that. So far, Ian has a published book, has visited private and state-owned collections in multiple countries, interviewed Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorn, and many others, and has established connections with well-respected researchers in other countries like Max Popenker (TKB-022 someday?).

Getting an invite to the French Ministry of The interior Armory was not a small thing. The GIGN have a very standoffish attitude to the media, even French Media. That French movie about the Loyada snipers was full of tecnical mistakes because they wouldn't offer any assistance to the producers.

Opening the doors for an American YouTuber is making a pretty strong statement.

On another note Atun Shei the YouTuber that Karl has been raving about, someone sent him a superchat on a recent livestream (since deleted) asking about working with Karl and apparently they've got something planned.

 

[aZk]

As far as Karl’s satanism goes, that doesn’t really bother me aside from the tryhard edgelord aspect of it. I’ve always found the tenets of satanism to be quite reasonable actually....however the Satanism that Karl follows is just the lameass leftist front organization The Satanic Temple, not even the actual Church of Satan.

 

[Shaka Brah]

It seems some lucky gun stores are getting WWSD 2020 samples already. We may be seeing reviews of the lowers popping up sooner rather than later.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Getting an invite to the French Ministry of The interior Armory was not a small thing.

I'm pretty positive his work with Jonathon Ferguson & the Royal Armory/National Firearms Center opened a LOT of doors to museum collections elsewhere in Europe. Their research access standards are a bit different; it's not what you know/are officially studying, it's about who sent you.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The hatred of scopes comes from a time when scopes were fragile and relying on them would mean you're fucked if they break. He sounds like Hank Hill complaining that kids these days aren't learning the fundamentals when he goes on about iron sites.

Thought the major hatred toward scopes was less about the scopes themselves; but the high value targets (officer core) throwing a bitchfit that it is ungentlemanly to snipe at them instead the disposable enlisted and draftees.

 

[❄️❄️❄️]

I'm pretty positive his work with Jonathon Ferguson & the Royal Armory/National Firearms Center opened a LOT of doors to museum collections elsewhere in Europe. Their research access standards are a bit different; it's not what you know/are officially studying, it's about who sent you.

The National Firearms Centre is especially hard to visit - you will absolutely not get in without a referral. You can trudge around the non-firearms bits of the Royal Armouries just fine as Joe public, but there are literally thousands of people in the UK who would do almost anything to go look at guns but can't. It's a credit to Iain's credentials and connections that they allowed him access - let alone to film.

I cannot see Karl being held up on the same pedestal by anyone. The kind people Iain's now connected with are allergic to anyone than smells a bit funny - and Karl has definitely 'gone off'

 

[Another Sperg on the Net]

Yeah Karl definitely has the smell of lolcow in the making about him, to put it politely,

 

[Tour of Italy]

Yeah Karl definitely has the smell of lolcow in the making about him, to put it politely,

I will give him credit that he’s at least more put together and articulate than a true lolcow, but I can see him being just a handful of poor decisions away from something truly pathetic.

 

[White Devil]

Thought the major hatred toward scopes was less about the scopes themselves; but the high value targets (officer core) throwing a bitchfit that it is ungentlemanly to snipe at them instead the disposable enlisted and draftees.

To be fair, that's almost as old as organized warfare itself.