Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Chilson]

Jesus, both these riots/"protests" are retarded, shouldn't have happened, and SHOULD be condemned. The issue is the hypocrisy of Viv (and all media outlets in general) supporting one over the other.

Especially when the one they were supporting went on for nearly half a year and caused far more damage/lives. While the one being condemned has lasted all of one day and was dispersed with someone being shot and killed.

 

[Private Pyle]

Jesus, both these riots/"protests" are retarded, shouldn't have happened, and SHOULD be condemned. The issue is the hypocrisy of Viv (and all media outlets in general) supporting one over the other.

Especially when the one they were supporting went on for nearly half a year and caused far more damage/lives. While the one being condemned has lasted all of one day and was dispersed with someone being shot and killed.

>Both riots should be condemned!
>But this one was still less worse than the other
Hm...

 

[Chilson]

>Both riots should be condemned!
>But this one was still less worse than the other
Hm...

Just because I condemn both doesn't mean I am blind to the reality that one was far less severe.

I am opposed to murder, but I will still say the man who kills 10 innocent people is worse than the man who murders 1.

 

[goma]

Talk about the cartoons, re.tards.

 

[One Man Bland]

Last thing I‘ll say on the subject is that one comment that this had never happened during any other civil unrest is untrue. There were multiple domestic terrorism bombings related to Vietnam war protests and in the 70s, including one at the Capitol, and another Capitol bombing in the 80s that was tied to communist radicals. As a general rule thumb, you should never try and claim that your "side" has never, or will never, do anything as bad - as we’ve seen in the last few days, the odds aren’t in your favor making that sort of claim.

But in that note, I don’t think I’m particularly interested in entertaining all the BLM/antifag vs MAGAtard shit. The only people making the comparisons seem to be doing so in bad faith as a deflection tactic - whether it’s MAGAs bleating "they did it first" or SJW’s trying to retroactively absolve the 2020 riots of any past and future criticism; and I‘d like to think most people are capable of condemning both without needing to add addendums to individual statements.

But on that that note, Vivz can say whatever the hell she wants on her Twitter and long as her projects are still mildly entertaining to me I’ll tune in - separating the art from the artist n’ all that.

 

[Uncle June]

Talk about the cartoons, re.tards.

This. Who cares about the creator or her political leanings, she made animation that's better than most of the shit on TV.

 

[Private Pyle]

Talk about the cartoons, re.tards.

There hasn’t been any new episodes and the last two released weren’t much to write home about.

you should never try and claim that your "side" has never, or will never, do anything as bad - as we’ve seen in the last few days, the odds aren’t in your favor making that sort of claim.

It really as been fun seeing the shoe drop on the other foot for the right.

But I just find it odd after five years of making fun of SJWs and the left, when the right shows their true colors suddenly everyone is a centrist and they want play/condemn both sides. Sorry but in the spirit of this site, I’ll be making fun of the MAGAtards and their bleating.

And personally? Hearing her political leanings is fun.

This. Who cares about the creator or her political leanings, she made animation that's better than most of the shit on TV.

The Animaniacs reboot is better than this wth.

 

[One Man Bland]

I'd say that much is obvious. The only way Stolas would abandon Octavia would be by dying, and even then, she'd be okay.

I actually recently saw some speculation that Stolas’ lullaby could be foreshadowing a major cataclysmic event befalling Hell, maybe even a full blown war with Heaven.

Which given what we’ve seen with angels so far, that could mean some interesting developments for Hazbin.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

The Animaniacs reboot is better than this wth.

Opinion immediately discarded. @Private Pyle you seriously need to calm the fuck down. Just because these shows aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they're not somebody else's. That's all it is: an OPINION. You might not like HH, or HB, and that's fine. But if you don't like them, then why do you continue to post in this thread dedicated to those shows you don't like? I mean, it'd be one thing if you actually offered valid points as to WHY you don't like them (like people do in the Steven Universe and nu She-Ra threads) but all of your posts so far literally boil down to "DEMON FURRY SHOWS BAD". OK, mind explaining WHY? Just something, anything! Just give me one valid reason why you don't like it, other than "IT'S JUST BAD!"

 

[Elpizo]

Opinion immediately discarded. @Private Pyle you seriously need to calm the fuck down. Just because these shows aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they're not somebody else's. That's all it is: an OPINION. You might not like HH, or HB, and that's fine. But if you don't like them, then why do you continue to post in this thread dedicated to those shows you don't like? I mean, it'd be one thing if you actually offered valid points as to WHY you don't like them (like people do in the Steven Universe and nu She-Ra threads) but all of your posts so far literally boil down to "DEMON FURRY SHOWS BAD". OK, mind explaining WHY? Just something, anything! Just give me one valid reason why you don't like it, other than "IT'S JUST BAD!"

I agree with you with that notion.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

Opinion immediately discarded. @Private Pyle you seriously need to calm the fuck down. Just because these shows aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they're not somebody else's. That's all it is: an OPINION. You might not like HH, or HB, and that's fine. But if you don't like them, then why do you continue to post in this thread dedicated to those shows you don't like? I mean, it'd be one thing if you actually offered valid points as to WHY you don't like them (like people do in the Steven Universe and nu She-Ra threads) but all of your posts so far literally boil down to "DEMON FURRY SHOWS BAD". OK, mind explaining WHY? Just something, anything! Just give me one valid reason why you don't like it, other than "IT'S JUST BAD!"

Same here. @Private Pyle, what is your deal with Vivziepop and these shows? Nearly every other topic you talk about you're so much more reasonable on.

Here: you just seem like you have some personal vendetta against her. If you're gonna tell us that it's all shit: tell us why you think that instead of just going "Oh these episodes are bad, and not much to talk about", "Oh look haha she mad on Twitter; point and laugh and her and her SJW ass but also like, fuck the Right, amirite?", "Oh look at how shitty she is as a person". Even despite the shitty things she's done, where is this complete bile against them coming from, why is it only directed at her and her shows, and why you can't seem to give her even one shred of credit on anything?

EDIT: Fixed that grammatical word salad in the last sentence.

 

[AnOminous]

I actually had a dream about this show. I was starting a new job, and was just looking around. It was an arty kind of place, and I was looking for a place to go smoke some weed, and looked at a co-worker's place, and it had new art for HH, and I suddenly realized this had to be Vivzie.

Then the dream went off on retard directions and never got interesting again. Dreams are dumb.

 

[Pickle Dick]

I actually had a dream about this show. I was starting a new job, and was just looking around. It was an arty kind of place, and I was looking for a place to go smoke some weed, and looked at a co-worker's place, and it had new art for HH, and I suddenly realized this had to be Vivzie.

Then the dream went off on retard directions and never got interesting again. Dreams are dumb.

Cool but did you do have sex with her in your dream? And on that note, was your dream a wet dream?

 

[Spergenschütz]

Opinion immediately discarded. @Private Pyle you seriously need to calm the fuck down. Just because these shows aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they're not somebody else's. That's all it is: an OPINION. You might not like HH, or HB, and that's fine. But if you don't like them, then why do you continue to post in this thread dedicated to those shows you don't like? I mean, it'd be one thing if you actually offered valid points as to WHY you don't like them (like people do in the Steven Universe and nu She-Ra threads) but all of your posts so far literally boil down to "DEMON FURRY SHOWS BAD". OK, mind explaining WHY? Just something, anything! Just give me one valid reason why you don't like it, other than "IT'S JUST BAD!"

Same here. @Private Pyle, what is your deal with Vivziepop and these shows? Nearly every other topic you talk about you're so much more reasonable on.

Here: you just seem like you have some personal vendetta against her. If you're gonna tell us that it's all shit: tell us why you think that instead of just going "Oh these episodes are bad, and not much to talk about", "Oh look haha she mad on Twitter; point and laugh and her and her SJW ass but also like, fuck the Right, amirite?", "Oh look at how shitty she is as a person". Even despite the shitty things she's done, where this complete bile against them is coming from, and why it's only directed at her and her shows and why you can't seem to even give her one shred of credit on anything?

A double dose of both Trump Derangement Syndrome and Vivienne Derangement Syndrome makes for an exceptionally insane individual who needs to calm the fuck down. Enslavement Syndrome tards can get severely autistic but make a person deranged at both of them and you’ll get an absolute lunatic, which is further exacerbated by the fact that the official HH episodes haven’t been released yet and no doubt we can’t really comment on the real series so far. It is scarily similar to the HH Critical Tards like Manny Corobo and Rootbeergoddess and part of me wonders if these turds were shat out of a factory.

 

[AnOminous]

A double dose of both Trump Derangement Syndrome and Vivienne Derangement Syndrome makes for an exceptionally insane individual who needs to calm the fuck down.

I'd honestly like to see @Private Pyle lay out his major malfunction with this show because I find it delightful and don't get the incessant hostility. What's actually wrong with it? I love the characters, even and possibly especially the outright sociopaths like Angel Dust, the characters are also well designed from an animation perspective, and unusually for an indie production, they are generally ON MODEL. Off model bullshit is one of the main reasons I despise current animation, but here, we have that as well.

Also just because Angel Dust sounds completely like a Kiwi in this exchange:

AD: Don't get your taco in a twist, baby.
Vaggie: Was that you trying to be sexist or racist?
AD: Whatever pisses you off more.

 

[Private Pyle]

Opinion immediately discarded. @Private Pyle you seriously need to calm the fuck down. Just because these shows aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they're not somebody else's. That's all it is: an OPINION. You might not like HH, or HB, and that's fine. But if you don't like them, then why do you continue to post in this thread dedicated to those shows you don't like? I mean, it'd be one thing if you actually offered valid points as to WHY you don't like them (like people do in the Steven Universe and nu She-Ra threads) but all of your posts so far literally boil down to "DEMON FURRY SHOWS BAD". OK, mind explaining WHY? Just something, anything! Just give me one valid reason why you don't like it, other than "IT'S JUST BAD!"

Same here. @Private Pyle, what is your deal with Vivziepop and these shows? Nearly every other topic you talk about you're so much more reasonable on.

Here: you just seem like you have some personal vendetta against her. If you're gonna tell us that it's all shit: tell us why you think that instead of just going "Oh these episodes are bad, and not much to talk about", "Oh look haha she mad on Twitter; point and laugh and her and her SJW ass but also like, fuck the Right, amirite?", "Oh look at how shitty she is as a person". Even despite the shitty things she's done, where this complete bile against them is coming from, and why it's only directed at her and her shows and why you can't seem to even give her one shred of credit on anything?

How am I not calm? If you want my opinion; the jokes don’t land, the artstyle isn’t good, the characters aren’t visually distinctive, there isn’t anyone to root for, it tries to be edgy as if it were the 2000s, the characters are horrible stereotypes, and there’s just no soul or originality in it. Say what you will about Rebecca Sugar or Alex Hirsch, at least they put their hearts into their work.

A double dose of both Trump Derangement Syndrome and Vivienne Derangement Syndrome makes for an exceptionally insane individual who needs to calm the fuck down. Enslavement Syndrome tards can get severely autistic but make a person deranged at both of them and you’ll get an absolute lunatic, which is further exacerbated by the fact that the official HH episodes haven’t been released yet and no doubt we can’t really comment on the real series so far. It is scarily similar to the HH Critical Tards like Manny Corobo and Rootbeergoddess and part of me wonders if these turds were shat out of a factory.

“You don’t like Trump or Viv? Must be derangement syndrome.”
Do you consider people who post in the TDS as enslavement syndrome by that logic? While you can’t judge the series as a whole the first impression is the most important. Plus Helluva isn’t exactly helping in that regard.

I'd honestly like to see @Private Pyle lay out his major malfunction with this show because I find it delightful and don't get the incessant hostility. What's actually wrong with it? I love the characters, even and possibly especially the outright sociopaths like Angel Dust, the characters are also well designed from an animation perspective, and unusually for an indie production, they are generally ON MODEL. Off model bullshit is one of the main reasons I despise current animation, but here, we have that as well.

Also just because Angel Dust sounds completely like a Kiwi in this exchange:

AD: Don't get your taco in a twist, baby.
Vaggie: Was that you trying to be sexist or racist?
AD: Whatever pisses you off more.

Felix Cosgrove’s animation is more fitting for the indie title. Hazbin Hotel isn’t all that impressive from a technical standpoint, especially considering it’s been in development for five years.
Plus being off model isn’t all that bad; it shows that the art direction allows for creative freedom. Not to mention most animations are self aware of what they are.

 

[AnOminous]

Felix Cosgrove’s animation is more fitting for the indie title. Hazbin Hotel isn’t all that impressive from a technical standpoint, especially considering it’s been in development for five years.
Plus being off model isn’t all that bad; it shows that the art direction allows for creative freedom. Not to mention most animations are self aware of what they are.

I like the actually coherent response. And as for models, I like that Hazbin actually has at least two models for every character, their "normal" model and their "full demon" model. It means that when they do the animation thing of a character going berserk, there's actually a model for that. And as for "creative freedom," Steven Universe has shown us where that goes.

 

[Private Pyle]

I like the actually coherent response. And as for models, I like that Hazbin actually has at least two models for every character, their "normal" model and their "full demon" model. It means that when they do the animation thing of a character going berserk, there's actually a model for that. And as for "creative freedom," Steven Universe has shown us where that goes.

The creators of SU defend their choice by saying they didn’t want their show to look stiff and lifeless like Family Guy; if you’ve seen that show, it’s a bit more understandable to see where they come from.
Plus there’s been plenty of mockery towards HH’s art decisions; Angel Dust having retractable arms has roundly mocked in a lot of circles.

 

[AnOminous]

The creators of SU defend their choice by saying they didn’t want their show to look stiff and lifeless like Family Guy; if you’ve seen that show, it’s a bit more understandable to see where they come from.
Plus there’s been plenty of mockery towards HH’s art decisions; Angel Dust having retractable arms has roundly mocked in a lot of circles.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I actually like that. AD is my favorite character in general too. He reminds me of people I've known and loved. Some of whom are dead. For obvious reasons.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

How am I not calm?

I mean, starting political pissing matches and going back and negrating us asking what your deal is isn't really proving otherwise.

If you want my opinion; the jokes don’t land, the artstyle isn’t good, the characters aren’t visually distinctive, there isn’t anyone to root for, it tries to be edgy as if it were the 2000s, the characters are horrible stereotypes, and there’s just no soul or originality in it. Say what you will about Rebecca Sugar or Alex Hirsch, at least they put their hearts into their work.

Okay, that helps us understand your issues better. ...Doesn't really explain why you're so against Vivzie as a person and doesn't explain the whole SJW/Trumptard thing that you kinda just avoided in the next part, but I'll take what I can get. That said, I'm still gonna have to disagree with you on a few things.

• Not funny and extremely edgy 2000's humor - Yeah fair, that kind of stuff isn't everyone's cup of tea. Hell, I agree that the constant edginess hinders Hazbin a LOT. It's why I think Helluva Boss is the much better webseries: it's still there but it's definitely not as bad, but again: that's a matter of taste.
• The characters are horrible stereotypes - This is a much more common criticism of it I've seen in general, and I get why a lot of people bring this up, but, and I'm gonna say this until I'm blue in the face: that's the point. They are literally in Hell and are demons. You're supposed to think they're horrible, and the show itself later explains and shows that the characters are much more multifaceted and open to redemption, or in Helluva's case, empathy and understanding (not sympathy, that's the important part here). The only reason why we've only seen it through supplementary material (i.e. the comics/Addict) in Hazbin is because they're currently working on the full season right now, with Helluva acting as a way to show how said development will occur within the show.
• The show's not original - I just...don't understand this, and this feels like you're being flippant with the show: what about the show isn't original? I know there's other shows that feature Hell and all that, blah blah blah, but what other show has a princess of Hell opening a hotel to redeem wayward demons, a passion that's financed by the main antagonist of the show. Helluva Boss I get, because it's just The Office but with demon adventures. Hazbin not being an original I have a harder time understanding.
• No passion; Rebecca Sugar or Alex Hirsch put their hearts in it and Viv didn't - This I don't have anything to say other than, again, this just seems like a personal attack of Viv as a person. You can not enjoy the show if you want, you can even hate it and her, but saying there's no heart or soul to it whatsoever, and ignoring the work of her and the rest of her team did is just absurd. That's just wrong.

“You don’t like Trump or Viv? Must be derangement syndrome.”
Do you consider people who post in the TDS as enslavement syndrome by that logic? While you can’t judge the series as a whole the first impression is the most important. Plus Helluva isn’t exactly helping in that regard.

Well when you keep derailing the entire thread in order to talk about her and Trump Derangement instead of the actual fucking cartoon, and not separating the art from the artist in this one specific instance, then yeah people may think you're a teensy bit obsessed.

Felix Cosgrove’s animation is more fitting for the indie title. Hazbin Hotel isn’t all that impressive from a technical standpoint, especially considering it’s been in development for five years.

You mean Felix Colgrave? The guy who's worked on animation for Off the Air for Adult Swim?

https://www.youtube.com/c/FelixColgrave/

I mean, it's definitely much more experimental and technically impressive, I'll give you that, but it still feels like you're comparing apples to oranges here. Colgrave thrives on creating weird visually enticing animation with basically no plot which is cool, it can - and has - even worked for television bumpers, but it wouldn't really work as an actual adult animated show. Maybe a variety show that thrives on showcasing weird stories and visual/audio experiences, but not as an actual full-fledged serialized show where a shitload more stuff needs to be accounted for (storyboards, pacing, scripts, voice-acting, character interactions, a defined setting etc.).

Cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, and Hazbin Hotel aren't trying to be that: they're trying to create a functional well-defined world, complex character motivations, stories that work within the realm of those worlds, and collaborating with hundreds of people in order to get their shows on television. Hazbin doesn't have that luxury the other two had of being able to work on it in-house; its team is much smaller, it doesn't have access to overseas animators so it all has to be done by hand from actual independent creators, and the entirety of both projects was paid for through Patreon. Helluva Boss is never going to be anything more than a webseries so whatever; Hazbin Hotel was just a pilot, where everything about it is subject to change, especially after getting picked up by A24, as they try and find ways to allieviate the pilot production issues so the show can be made faster. It'd be like judging...say, the Powerpuff Girls' pilot for taking 3 years to make for a then-fledgling Cartoon Network, and then comparing it to the then-still being worked on The Thief and the Cobbler.

And even with the above examples, it still takes them nearly a full year to make a season's worth of episodes. It isn't technically impressive for its development time, but you're kinda missing the forest for the trees here.

Plus being off model isn’t all that bad; it shows that the art direction allows for creative freedom. Not to mention most animations are self aware of what they are.

There isn't if you're a boarded show, or if you REALLY want to make it a pain in the ass for people overseas (or even fans) to draw. The shows can feel stilted, but doing something like a Felix Colgrave for Hazbin or Helluva feels like you want this show to be something it's not. Which again is fine, but you should also recognize that's up to your own personal tastes rather than the show and Vivzie being terrible, and picking that particular hill to die on.