McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P. - Et tu, Turtle?


Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.
At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.

While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out.
Taken together, the stances of Congress’s two top Republicans — neither of whom has said publicly that Mr. Trump should resign or be impeached — reflected the politically fraught and fast-moving nature of the crisis that the party faces in the wake of last week’s assault by a pro-Trump mob during a session to formalize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.

As more violent images emerged on Tuesday from the mayhem wrought by the rioters, including of the brutal attack that ultimately killed a Capitol Police officer, and as lawmakers were briefed about threats of more attacks on the Capitol, rank-and-file Republican lawmakers grew angrier about the president’s role in the violence.
Yet as they attempted to balance the affection their core voters have for Mr. Trump with the now-undeniable political and constitutional threat he posed, Republican congressional leaders who have loyally backed the president for four years were still stepping delicately. Their refusal to demand the president’s resignation and quiet plotting about how to address his conduct highlighted the gnawing uncertainty that they and many other Republicans have about whether they would pay more of a political price for abandoning him or for continuing to enable him after he incited a mob to storm the seat of government.

Making their task more difficult, Mr. Trump has shown no trace of contrition, telling reporters on Tuesday that his remarks to supporters had been “totally appropriate,” and that it was the specter of his impeachment that was “causing tremendous anger.”
Mr. McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, has indicated that he wants to see the specific article of impeachment that the House is set to approve on Wednesday, which is expected to draw support from as many as a dozen Republicans, potentially including Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the party’s No. 3 in the House. But he has made clear in private discussions that he believes now is the moment to move on from the weakened lame duck, whom he blames for causing Republicans to lose the Senate.
On Monday, Mr. Biden telephoned Mr. McConnell to ask whether it was possible to set up a dual track that would allow the Senate to confirm Mr. Biden’s cabinet nominees and hold a Senate trial at the same time, according to officials briefed on the conversation who disclosed it on condition of anonymity. Far from avoiding the topic of impeaching Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell said it was a question for the Senate parliamentarian, and promised Mr. Biden a quick answer.

David Popp, a spokesman for Mr. McConnell, declined to comment, pointing a reporter to a speech the senator made from the floor after the attack on the Capitol.
“This failed attempt to obstruct the Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic,” Mr. McConnell said as the Senate reconvened on Wednesday to finish the electoral count disrupted by the siege. “Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation.”

In the days since the attack, Mr. McCarthy has veered from asking Republican colleagues if he should call on Mr. Trump to resign to privately floating impeachment to his current posture, opposed to impeachment but open to a censure. He even approached Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, about a censure vote, saying he could deliver a large number of Republican votes for a formal rebuke if Democrats backed off impeachment.

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Ah yes, real smart, trying to impeach a guy who is more popular among your base than the rest of you.
 
Is anyone really surprised that he's doing this?

McConnel is a scummy, backstabbing, self-serving snake who does not care about what's popular, or what looks bad, or what hurts his party because he's practically untouchable because he's always elected back into office. He's the perfect example of why we need term limits.
 
There is some doubt on the whether this is real, but Cocaine Mitch is swampiest of swamp creatures, so not unexpected. Donald Trump was very disruptive to the likes of him.

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The Republicans deserve to lose all the power and goodwill they've garnered with Trump after they backstabbed him.

Sure, the Democrats controlling almost every branch for at least two years will suck major ass, but I simply can't trust the Republicans to be effective tard wranglers when they've proven they'd rather be "graceful" losers than fight to maintain any advantage they had.
 
McConnell and Pelosi are really a match made in hell.

I can't believe the Georgia turnout was as high as it was for Republicans when how awful the party is as a whole honestly; I guess the Democrat Party is still much worse, so many people just end up voting for Republicans anyway to try and rein in the Democrats. I'm not sure a Republican can win in 2024 though, even against the highly unlikable and uninspiring Biden/Harris. Trump gained like 12 million votes in 2020 compared to 2016. You didn't lose the Senate because of Trump, McTurtle! Purge him and his supporters at your own risk.
 
Is anyone really surprised that he's doing this?

McConnel is a scummy, backstabbing, self-serving snake who does not care about what's popular, or what looks bad, or what hurts his party because he's practically untouchable because he's always elected back into office. He's the perfect example of why we need term limits.
Ah, yes, "term limits".

Term limits will prevent institutional rot instead of encouraging the major parties to create a chain of succession in order to perpetuate their agendas with the inconvenience of having to build up a different face.

Certainly, the actual issue isn't that voterbases aren't paying attention to who they're electing in their primaries, or that there's little defense against the party tipping the scales for their preferred candidate in said primaries, rendering invisible the contenders should they be stupid enough to cooperate with the party wholesale without being their preferred person.

If you can't tell, I don't quite like the "term limits" rallying cry. We are largely the reason why these fossils stay in power despite them operating in positions that they have to mount re-election campaigns for every 2-4 years, and imposing term limits allows the populace to bury the fact that they're not even active in selecting the people that are supposedly meant to represent them.
 
McConnell and Pelosi are really a match made in hell.

I can't believe the Georgia turnout was as high as it was for Republicans when how awful the party is as a whole honestly; I guess the Democrat Party is still much worse, so many people just end up voting for Republicans anyway to try and rein in the Democrats. I'm not sure a Republican can win in 2024 though, even against the highly unlikable and uninspiring Biden/Harris. Trump gained like 12 million votes in 2020 compared to 2016. You didn't lose the Senate because of Trump, McTurtle! Purge him and his supporters at your own risk.
They deserve to lose again and again for not reining in ballot harvesting.

I mean after a point even they have to see they lose their value as controlled opposition.
 
The Republicans deserve to lose all the power and goodwill they've garnered with Trump after they backstabbed him.

Sure, the Democrats controlling almost every branch for at least two years will suck major ass, but I simply can't trust the Republicans to be effective tard wranglers when they've proven they'd rather be "graceful" losers than fight to maintain any advantage they had.
He snakes his way into "graceful losing" in the hope that republican voters will forget 2 and 4 years down the line. I think it's a massive misread. They (media, government, big tech, big corporate etc) are going after Trump hard and he is still, for as short as it may be, the sitting Republican president. I think if they backstab him hard and impeach him again a week from him stepping down, he will take a lot of the voters with him.

When is the last time where Republicans and boomers stormed the Capitol in favour of a president? I don't think they are going to forget or forgive people who backstabbed them.
 
He snakes his way into "graceful losing" in the hope that republican voters will forget 2 and 4 years down the line. I think it's a massive misread. They (media, government, big tech, big corporate etc) are going after Trump hard and he is still, for as short as it may be, the sitting Republican president. I think if they backstab him hard and impeach him again a week from him stepping down, he will take a lot of the voters with him.

When is the last time where Republicans and boomers stormed the Capitol in favour of a president? I don't think they are going to forget or forgive people who backstabbed them.
The plan is to actually impeach and convict him after Biden takes office.

Somehow, magically, they will conduct normal business during this time just because Biden asked.
 
Yeah yeah Mitch sucks and all that. But let's pump the brakes for a moment and apply some consistent standards here.
according to people familiar with his thinking.
Right here. This.

This shit never flew with Trump supporters when talking about people familiar with Trump's thinking. That was usually a sign of a hitpiece or some made up bullshit meant to make something happen. Do we suddenly trust the New York Times? Isn't it possible that they're just spinning their usual bullshit with the goal of further fucking up the GOP?


Get me a recording of Mitch voicing this opinion and we can have a discussion.
 
Abandon trump now and forever lose the govt for at least 10 years.
thats the play, rino are fine being the controlled opposition because they dont care as long as they get their paycheck and cushy position. Most of them dont really believe in the values they espouse for votes anyway (pro life? fuck that, religion? lmao) they have always been 2 faced snakes. Term limits for any government position should be mandatory to stop the swamp from stagnating this much.
 
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