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I’ve never been one for Star Wars besides the Hayden Christensen memes. But this feels dumb and aren’t the Sith just space nazis?
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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I’ve never been one for Star Wars besides the Hayden Christensen memes. But this feels dumb and aren’t the Sith just space nazis?
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I love how Jerry is enamored with what were literally supposed to be the most evil and insidious creed in the galaxy that spawned several empires that could only be described as fascist as fuck. But he's totally not an authoritarian ideologue, you guys!
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Double standards and hypocrisy. Many such cases.
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I remember from the Steven Universe video's half hour tangent on that MMO where you can be a "good sith" she spent the whole time lauding that concept. I wonder if its a fascination with the "tragic hero"
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Didn't she either commission or receive art of her Sith OC murdering Steven and responded with "satisfying"? You don't need to dig deep to find the crazy in this one.
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well, the entire Nazi ideology was about identity, patriotism, strength, purity and socialism
all that is good and that would never hurt anyone, but if someone abused these principles to do evil it just means that true Nazism has not been implemented yet
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Mikaila drew a picture like that (for free, as always) but I think it was Sylvannas killing Steven when he tried to tell her not to murder someone else.
On another note, I was looking Lizzy's profile to see if she added anything new about Liliana. She didn't, because she has a life, no more than to respond positively to other people giving her support. But I found a little something that caught me eye.
Liliana actually paid for the stills of her avatar and she was dating Lizzy back then. The thing that is interesting is... have we ever had any kind of confirmation that Liliana pays Mikaila? At all? For anything? Or her "I love you sweetie!!" messages and the ocassional expensive gifts is supposed to be her only way to get paid? If not, that is another trait of a controlling partner. Give someone money means give them the liberty to use it however they want. Give them presents, expensives ones at that, that they didn't asked, is cultivating a feeling of gratefulness towards you and encourages more indulgency at any misdeeds, including public comments about how dumb you're, constant bashing of your artowork as inferior to the art of a supposed sexual abuser and freeloading out of your labor without anything in return.
Maybe Liliana is the type of idiot who thinks "exposure" is enough to feed an artist, but even if that were the case, she hasn't done much to uplift the art of Mikaila or encouraged anyone to support her in the way she refused to do (money).
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Lizzy makes a point that got me thinking; about Lily still using Lizzy’s art.
I’m genuinely surprised Lily’s therapist hasn’t encouraged her to remove reminders of Lizzy from her life. Change her surname back to Peet or something else, and to use art by someone else.
Keeping these reminders of a relationship that Lily says hurt her is akin to repeatedly picking at a scab. Distance helps facilitate healing.
So why keep the name and the art around then? I have two theories, albeit ones that require slight tinfoil hats and armchair diagnosing.
I’m genuinely surprised Lily’s therapist hasn’t encouraged her to remove reminders of Lizzy from her life. Change her surname back to Peet or something else, and to use art by someone else.
Keeping these reminders of a relationship that Lily says hurt her is akin to repeatedly picking at a scab. Distance helps facilitate healing.
So why keep the name and the art around then? I have two theories, albeit ones that require slight tinfoil hats and armchair diagnosing.
1. Lily still has positive feelings towards Lizzy and wants to hold onto the mementos of a time when she was happier.
2. Lily is keeping these things out of spite for Lizzy for breaking up with her. How similar are the names Lizzy Orchard and Lily Orchard? If someone knew nothing of these people then they would probably confuse and/or conflate the two.
Add to that Lily using Lizzy’s art for her videos. The art style is recognizable, and we’ve seen people find Lizzy’s artwork and assume she’s Lily from the puppet.
As long as Lily keeps these things, people will connect Lizzy to her. Seems like a good form of revenge on Lily’s part, to always be confused for and connected to the ex that Lizzy dared to leave.
Lily seems pretty spiteful so I’m more inclined to believe the later.
2. Lily is keeping these things out of spite for Lizzy for breaking up with her. How similar are the names Lizzy Orchard and Lily Orchard? If someone knew nothing of these people then they would probably confuse and/or conflate the two.
Add to that Lily using Lizzy’s art for her videos. The art style is recognizable, and we’ve seen people find Lizzy’s artwork and assume she’s Lily from the puppet.
As long as Lily keeps these things, people will connect Lizzy to her. Seems like a good form of revenge on Lily’s part, to always be confused for and connected to the ex that Lizzy dared to leave.
Lily seems pretty spiteful so I’m more inclined to believe the later.
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Lily doesn't have a therapist, or at least not one she's seen consistently for very long. I'd wager that yeah, she goes and has an appointment every so often, possibly with different people, but the therapists she describes is made up.
I can't recall them all off the top of my head, but the way Lily has talked about their conversations it's pretty obvious that she's spouting her own regular brand of bullshit. Like, some of the shit she's claimed her therapist told her would never come out of anyone with the proper degree.
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Jerry Peet wouldn't go within a hundred meters of an actual therapist. That would require him to actually be honest for any sort of treatment to have any effect.
Jerry Peet is an insecure, perverted, mentally unstable, mental light-weight who's only real skill is targeting mentally unstable, insecure girls who happen to be skilled at art. His story will end in much the same way it started.
Total mediocrity and isolation.
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In theory they don't have to be, but in practice every Sith organisation that appeared in Star Wars was a Might Makes Right, Strong Rule the Weak, Social Darwinist kind of fascist belief system. And most also had Master Race thing going on, either in a specific species, like the human supremacist Galactic Empire, or just in Force Users being the superior species to Non-Force Users.
Mikaila is technically correct that the Sith code is about Strength and Freedom attained by using your passions to break past your limitations.
'Cept those passions inevitably stem from pain, anger, fear and hatred, because the Dark Side of the Force is Evil and inherently corruptive.
It's the kind of power that a Shounen Protagonist's evil rival, or main villain, or Superpowered Evil Side would run on.
I think it was of her self-insert Lord Ryder
Not really. The "Good" Sith in SWTOR still stands fully behind the fascist Sith Empire. The only difference is that the "Good" Sith is pragmatically evil, while the "Evil" Sith is cartoonishly evil. Lily isn't fascinated with the idea of the Tragic Hero, she wanks herself off to the idea of being justified in commiting attrocities.
Her Val'kyr OCs? Repeated portrayed as completely justified in commiting planetary genocide
Sylvanas? Stanned as being completely justified in all of the fucked up shit she does and never ever wrong about anything.
Her Sith OC? In one of the recent chapters Lily contrived a situation so her OC could nuke an entire city while still holding the "moral highground".
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I think I can speak for Mik here, its perfectly fine for an artist to give people free art and not expect anything out of it, especially if its their partner. I myself draw almost everything for my partner for free, and most other artists do it too if their partner cant draw. I do agree that its very odd that Lily hasnt replaced Lizzys art with Ginger or Miks, but its not odd that they want to draw things for her.
Lily isnt exploiting Mik by doing this either, it's Miks choice to draw for Lily. Most artists just generally like to draw for other people, that's why there's so many fanartists. I think calling Miks art fanart is actually a far better descriptor. She draws these pictures for free for someone she admires and their praise is probably payment enough for her.
With Lilys history I can see why people might think its super suspicious that Mik draws everything for Lily seemingly for free or for gifts, but why dont we stop and consider that Mik might actually want to draw these things. Mik helps Lily write (according to lily) so its not farfetched for me to believe that Mik actually really likes the characters and just wants to draw them. When an artist gives you free art, thats on them, and the person receiving the art has no obligation to pay or reward the artist for doing so.
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Well... yes and no, what they're saying isn't necessarily wrong, but it's being framed in a really bizarre way as if to take a shot at anime fans for being akin to the evil villains of Star Wars. It's quite reductionist really. I could write it off as a joke but given Jerry's irrational hatred of anime...
So here's the code of the Sith:
Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
See, the concept of the Sith isn't necessarily bad. The Sith order isn't really predicated on evil, their creed is just centered on how they use the Force and how they decide to live their lives. For instance, Jedi tend to completely outlaw emotion and attachment (which was the whole reason Anakin's relationship with Padme was taboo) whereas Sith tend to encourage it. I would imagine something like that would be written off by Jerry as religious extremism, which... I mean...
It's like how some people like to say that Communism is a good idea in concept but in practice it's never done well. Similarly, the Sith has hardly put out anything really good, especially since Palpatine founded the Empire which has brought nothing but oppression and misery to everyone forced to bend the knee to them. And given their level of firepower, it wasn't easy to resist them.
So of course Mikaila and Jerry are taking this and framing it to seem like if you idolize "any shounen protagonist" or praise their virtues of... liking strength and freedom, then your values are exactly like the space nazis and you should be ashamed.
Because growing stronger as a person and desiring freedom from oppression (two things I know Jerry reeeeeally wants) is bad!
As one final note you could just as easily liken the Jedi to religious extremists and zealots so ha ("No emotion, no passion, and when you die you'll be born again if you believe")
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Lily's preference for the Sith really seems like an extension of her Atheism. The Jedi have to follow all these rules and use their power responsibly and stress values such as discipline. Whereas the Sith code, on the surface reads as 'We're not like those boring Jedi, we have fun on the darkside! You get to make your own rules!' Which is, more or less, how most Jedi are seduced to the dark side in the first place.
'You get to have a wife if you're a Sith lord, Anakin. You can even save her from dying! We encourage you to have strong feelings for your wife'
It's more about not having to follow any rules that would get in the way of things Lily wants, whether that's assaulting people for being mean or having a harem of barely legal artists/padawans at your command.
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And would you look at that, she even has a link to nsfw art that she’s conveniently save to a Google drive.That’s funny, because I remember Lily’s comic artist doing a comic in which said Mary Sue violently killed Steven, ripped out his gem, and shattered it because he dared to suggest that said OC shouldn’t be trying to kill someone and instead should try and reach an understanding with them.
So Lily is once again full of it.
EDIT: Here it is.
But remember, Lizzy was lying about the NSFW stuff.
Also someone archive all that.
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Lmao, Mikaila said that seriously? Strength & Freedom at least for many pieces of media comes to a high cost.
Fucking circlejerk, now i can finally understand near anybody who supports Lily can't be saved
EDIT: Fucking typos
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Excuse me, but how do you know those are things Lily wants? You say that Lilly wants freedom and to be stronger as a person is what she wants but her actions say otherwise. She’s not the type of person to mature and stop acting like a selfish bitch.
I’m just wondering what you meant by that.
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Holy fuck, the art of her own puppets having a 3 way is so fucking weird and sick. She's such a massive fucking narcissist she actually wants to fuck herself.
God, and it's so easy to tell which is Lizzy's and which is Mikaila's from the massive fucking difference in quality. Like, Lizzy's isn't the best by any means, but in comparison with Mikaila's it's like night and fucking day.
Like, I'm convinced the main reason that Lily continues to use Lizzy's puppet is because she knows Mikaila's art is so much worse than Lizzy's, even the stuff that's 2+ years old. But she can't stomach admitting it, her new flame is just inherently better by virtue of not being Lizzy.
Lily loves to harp on the fact that it cost her $150 for the puppet so that's why she continues to use it. It's about the money she says! Well, it's about money alright, but not in that way.
She could get a free puppet from Ginger or Mikaila any time she wanted. But she knows it'd be a massive downgrade in quality. Could you imagine a random Comic!Lily pose being used as a puppet after you've seen Lizzy's artwork in most of her videos for 2 years? Who in their right mind would think that's an improvement?
Whether Lily wants to admit to it or not, she's gotta know that if she changed to a Ginger or Mikaila puppet she'd take a massive hit in viewcount and subscribers. Even if she got the puppet for free she'd actively lose money as people stopped watching her content.
So she's trapped in the unenviable position where she has to use her """abusive""" ex's art in her videos, admitting that her ex makes better art than her girlfriends, in order to keep a consistent revenue stream... Or get a new puppet, one that she knows is a downgrade in quality, to admit through actions that she believes her girlfriend's art is better, but taking a sizable hit to her income as a result.
Fuck, just thinking about this makes me happy. I hope this is clawing at her brain and driving her nuts.
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That's also not how that works?
I had a thing here explaining the stupidity of the idea that all shonen protagonists are motivated by 'strength' and 'freedom' as concepts rather than desiring 'strength' and 'freedom' in service to a more concrete and personal goal (as the Sith code details Sith motivation and for some reason I thought she'd be making an equivalency), but then I read it again and I realize she says the 'core virtues' of any shonen protagonist.
What the hell does that mean?
While this is a legitimate perspective to have, this isn't how Lily has stated that she works.
A while back she said that she always felt a need to compensate fan artists, either by donating to them or making sure to plug their Patreon if they refused the money. She hated getting free art and would always insist on at least some nominal money exchanged, and says that she always overpays any artist she commissions.
She says that she feels deeply uncomfortable not offering compensation, and that this was also the reason she paid Lizzy for her art even though they were in a relationship.
I'm not sure if she's still necessarily espousing this view (I haven't seen it said in a while, but my awareness of Lily's social media is mostly contained to what's posted in this thread) but it was one that she made sure to mention, and that seemed to be corroborated by the people she commissioned at the time.
That said, her giving Mikaila and Ginger (and, previously, Lizzy and Carousel) expensive gifts might be what she considers compensation for services rendered. Plus she does still plug Mikaila's patreon (even if it seems that it does no good, although given the quality of work on display that's not Lily's fault).
And I think it's important that she does do this in the form of gifts. It was some months back that Lizzy explicitly mentioned how free she felt that she could throw out the computer Lily gave her. There's definitely some amount of power play going on.
Given that Lily has all but admitted her trans identity is based on a fetish, that's not at all surprising.