Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

ConfederateIrishman said:
Someone on the website made a good comparison that those stories are pretty much the same as 19th century evangelizing stories: "I am a native American", "Why good sir have you heard the good word?", "How could I have been so blind! WTF I love god now!".
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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to read that shit.

Don't get me wrong: there's plenty of instances of people being amazed by future technology and ideas. But there are also plenty of people who are scared, ambivalent, and/or violently hostile. If the time-travelers hadn't quickly come under the umbrella of an alliance with the King of Sweden (and the financial resources of a Jewish banking network), they probably would have been wiped out by France, Spain, et al, in short order despite their tech advantages. There are only about 3,500 people in a small rural town who traveled back in time, and they're surrounded by millions of 17th-Century people. And the 1630's natives certainly don't waste any time appropriating 20th-Century knowledge and there's a new European arms race in short order.

But the time-travelers definitely upset the social order, often unintentionally. How could they not? For example, Pope Urban VIII really has to grapple with the next 300 year history of the Catholic Church and Vatican II. It's a nightmare that causes incredible turmoil, and at some point he has to flee the Vatican when a Spanish cardinal tries to depose him.
 
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RockPaper said:
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to read that shit.

Don't get me wrong: there's plenty of instances of people being amazed by future technology and ideas. But there are also plenty of people who are scared, ambivalent, and/or violently hostile. If the time-travelers hadn't quickly come under the umbrella of an alliance with the King of Sweden (and the financial resources of a Jewish banking network), they probably would have been wiped out by France, Spain, et al, in short order despite their tech advantages. There are only about 3,500 people in a small rural town who traveled back in time, and they're surrounded by millions of 17th-Century people. And the 1630's natives certainly don't waste any time appropriating 20th-Century knowledge and there's a new European arms race in short order.

But the time-travelers definitely upset the social order, often unintentionally. How could they not? For example, Pope Urban VIII really has to grapple with the next 300 year history of the Catholic Church and Vatican II. It's a nightmare that causes incredible turmoil, and at some point he has to flee the Vatican when a Spanish cardinal tries to depose him.
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Yes. Usually when someone points out in their Utopian timeline where progress (tm) is sent backwards that things politically incorrect might happen, such as Eugenicists being thrilled at the new technology and honestly the mere existence of DNA, the threads will just shut them down "because that would make the story too dystopic". Can't have any conflict happen that isn't general strawman getting destroyed for being on the wrong side of history.

Oh? And radicals, reactionary or communist, quietly leaving to filibuster/talk to other civilizations because they don't agree with the direction the piece of civilization that they came along for the ride has taken? Either doomed to fail because of incompetence (somehow they never do historical research so they end up dying instantly of illness or murdered by someone in the "savage past" {Whiggish smugness intensifies]) or if they show any success they become the General Strawman the story has to defeat.
 
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Syaoran Li said:
This is what Antifa actually believes

Lenin was a tyrant and a mass murderer, and so were Mao and Stalin.

Also, water is wet, the sky is blue, grass is green, Jeff Goldblum is a Jew, and Liberace was very very gay. All this and Andy Rooney tonight on 60 Minutes!



Agreed. I think Atun Shei is definitely a liberal, but I doubt he's as left-leaning as some of his videos may lead you to believe. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks a lot of his more left-wing takes are some kind of shtick.

If he was actually a full blown leftist and not just a "post-2008/pre-2013 liberal" center-left type, I think he'd have already trooned out or thrown his lot in with BreadTube by now.
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Atun Shei regularly shares Beau of the fifth column videos so he is pretty left wing. However, revolutionary socialism doesn't really show in his work and its very likely he isn't actually a radical.
 
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What do you think of Whatifalthis?

My impression of him is that he has extensive knowledge of the global modern, premodern and classical era but I have sometimes found his knowledge a little lacking when it comes to ancient times, i.e. 2000 BC and before. He also seems very neutral and well considered in his opinions.


I mostly like him though because he shits on classical Greece and the Roman Empire.
 
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Apparently on December 10th, Stuart Slade died:
Its listed as COVID.

He wrote The Big One and Salvation War series. The Big One was an alternate history WW2 setting exploring what would happen if he USA was forced to use the atomic bomb on Germany while the Salvation War was a hilariously messy setting where the human race goes to war with both Hell and eventually Heaven. I dunno how far on the shittiness scale you would want to classify them but they definitely had their hokey elements to them. He might be the first modern AH writer to die, I dunno if there are any other notable examples other than random AH.com users or something.
 
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SomeCybranCommander said:
I had an idea for a fantastical alternate history scenario where all Bronze Age empires still survived and continued into modern day.
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Could be interesting, especially if you focus on how that would have an impact on technology and culture.

A lot of technology, culture, and discoveries were tied into the unique political and geographic conditions of the era.

The colonization of the New World wouldn't happen if it weren't for the unique conditions of Late Medieval and Renaissance Europe at the time.

The economic realities of Europe's limited resources and the fall of Constantinople effectively sealing off the land routes to Asia led to breakthroughs in maritime technology and countries like Spain and Portugal looking to the sea to import exotic goods.

The sudden influx of resources helped make Western Europe into a powerhouse in the Early Modern Era, especially as other countries like England and France set out to form their own colonies so they could compete with Spain.
 
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Hugbox Kommissar said:
Now I just need to find a white ethnostate secession story that doesn't feel like it was written one handed.
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If anyone's curious, the "best" I was able to find was the Northwest Republic series by Harold Covington. The protagonists generally act like real people and not just author monologue mouthpieces and the eeeevil federal government is not entirely composed of incompetent racial stereotypes.
The author acknowledges that all the rhetoric in the world won't cause your average white person to risk everything and take up arms against the government until there is literally no other choice.

At no point is the rebels' plan to shoot, gas, or hang every non-white in the region, instead they go after property and highly placed individuals to scare the rest into leaving on their own.

Even though lots of people are preparing for a showdown with the government, the event that kicks everything off is completely unrelated and catches everyone by surprise.

The first year or two of open rebellion is just them trying to survive and learn on the job while the feds systematically hunt down their cells.

The momentum starts to shift when the general population realizes that the evil nazi terrorists aren't going away and that the feds are going to get increasingly heavy-handed in their peacekeeping efforts.

Its heavily implied throughout the series that one of the most successful rebellion cell leaders out in Idaho/Montana is basically a Mad Max villain who's just in it for the murder opportunities but hey, he gets results.

Most interesting books were the ones dealing with the aftermath of the war because of course a nation composed of nazis, wotan pagans, innawoods libertarians and survivalists, and traditionalist Christians is going to be a barely coherent shitshow only held together by mutual hatred for the federal government.

You know your books have reached some people when the ADL has recognized your made up flag as a hate symbol.
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Northwest American Republic

The "Northwest American Republic" is a fictional construct created by Harold Covington, a long-time fringe figure in the neo-Nazi movement. It is based on the so-called "Northwest Imperative," a longstanding call by some white supremacists for white people to move to the Pacific Northwest and...
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Hugbox Kommissar said:
If anyone's curious, the "best" I was able to find was the Northwest Republic series by Harold Covington. The protagonists generally act like real people and not just author monologue mouthpieces and the eeeevil federal government is not entirely composed of incompetent racial stereotypes.
The author acknowledges that all the rhetoric in the world won't cause your average white person to risk everything and take up arms against the government until there is literally no other choice.

At no point is the rebels' plan to shoot, gas, or hang every non-white in the region, instead they go after property and highly placed individuals to scare the rest into leaving on their own.

Even though lots of people are preparing for a showdown with the government, the event that kicks everything off is completely unrelated and catches everyone by surprise.

The first year or two of open rebellion is just them trying to survive and learn on the job while the feds systematically hunt down their cells.

The momentum starts to shift when the general population realizes that the evil nazi terrorists aren't going away and that the feds are going to get increasingly heavy-handed in their peacekeeping efforts.

Its heavily implied throughout the series that one of the most successful rebellion cell leaders out in Idaho/Montana is basically a Mad Max villain who's just in it for the murder opportunities but hey, he gets results.

Most interesting books were the ones dealing with the aftermath of the war because of course a nation composed of nazis, wotan pagans, innawoods libertarians and survivalists, and traditionalist Christians is going to be a barely coherent shitshow only held together by mutual hatred for the federal government.

You know your books have reached some people when the ADL has recognized your made up flag as a hate symbol.
www.adl.org

Northwest American Republic

The "Northwest American Republic" is a fictional construct created by Harold Covington, a long-time fringe figure in the neo-Nazi movement. It is based on the so-called "Northwest Imperative," a longstanding call by some white supremacists for white people to move to the Pacific Northwest and...
www.adl.org www.adl.org
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Didn't one of the novels get commercially published?
 
Coleslaw said:
Didn't one of the novels get commercially published?
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This was the only thing I ever heard about related to it.

You might be thinking of the William S Lind mindfuck that is Victoria.
 
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I've been reading an online summary of Christian Nation, a book about McCain winning against Obama, dying and Palin becoming vice president that starts a series of events that end in the USA becoming Theocracy (though not really since it's more of a general dictatorship with a religeous justification rather than a government organization that is directly tied to a religeous body). The writer is definitely intelligent to some degree, but has his head so far down his ass it goes out again that it seems he doesn't understand basic human mentality and logic.

It's pretty interesting to read the summary of the book becuase it really gives a world view of a person that is the modern "social elite". The guy talks about democracy but seems to absolutely fear it in every fibre of his being. The Theorcracy isn't started by an illegal rise to power, like any sane writer would write, but rather it is achieved through legal democratic channels, while the author insert keeps hoping the billionaires, the media, the courts and other countries (all being outside the democratic process) will reel in the idiot populace to behave as it should be. All of it raising the question what's even the point of Democracy for this person besides being a rubber stamp.

Besides that, the author seems to regard flyover America as worse than a slaver regards a slave. There is outright contempt and belief that only the coastal cities have any economic, social and cultural worth, with the rest of America apeprantly just being a waste of money, and only deserve to live due to still categorized as humans. Besides that, there is an absolute misogonistic streak towards women (but it's okay since they are right wingers/Karens), lack of knowledge about the very religion in the book and its different streams, and fetishization of non-Christian religion as being pure and good. It's the kind of book that could easily be seen as a parody of the rich, entitled New Yorker's world view.
 
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Coleslaw said:
Didn't one of the novels get commercially published?
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Technically I guess, depending on how you define commercial. Physical copies of the books are available online from publisher Authorhouse, which is a self-publish print on demand company. So I guess slightly more mainstream than Turner Diaries or Protocols.
 
I would think that someone who is supposed to be a fan of history enough to write fan-fiction of it would recognize that comparing our current events to the Whiskey Rebellion is doing nothing but portraying the EVUL FASCISTS as the good guys.

The Whiskey rebels were poor farmers who the federal government fucked over to support the wealthy whiskey distillers, then had the Federal government lead a multi-state armed force to put down what was little more than a tax protest. The Whiskey rebels weren't the bad guys, and in the long term, they fucking won as the tax on Whiskey was abolished in 1802.
 
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Save the Loli said:
I'm amazed AH.com doesn't have a Community Watch thread here considering the amount of insane politispergs and just general autism on that site. And of course all of the tasty drama between the moderation and the resident tankies and other commie troons.
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If we had Ian's dox, I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be able to support a whole thread about himself with whatever else his internet presence is.

Overall though, I think the community is just a little too small but I never, ever, visited the off-topic section of that board.

EDIT: We do have a community watch on the TNO/HOI4 modding community, perhaps a community watch on the whole alt-history community could be a thing? Might be too broad though.
 
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DDR Dagobert said:
If we had Ian's dox, I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be able to support a whole thread about himself with whatever else his internet presence is.
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His meltdown over the Discord server a few months ago suggests that his dox is out there. He'd probably go off on a spergy rant if someone posted it on Kiwifarms along with that picture of his with the shirt with the slavery joke. Ian's definitely a strange character given his political views and rigid enforcement of it, like because he thinks mass murder is bad this makes Israel the most evil country on the planet but also means you get banned for wanting to kill all Republicans. Or how he gets so offended at being called an antisemite presumably because the Nazis were antisemitic too and Nazis are pure evil.
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Overall though, I think the community is just a little too small but I never, ever, visited the off-topic section of that board.
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The off-topic section is why the site is so hilarious because of all the commie troons and politispergs and that's where most people get kicked/banned. Unfortunately a lot of the "best" were banned a while back because of Ian's meltdown. You're right that the rest of the site only occasionally flares up with lolcow shit like people posting Soviet propaganda as fact or still being assmad over the Civil War and Reconstruction or abject weirdos like that one Indian guy obsessed with skin color and transhumanism.
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EDIT: We do have a community watch on the TNO/HOI4 modding community, perhaps a community watch on the whole alt-history community could be a thing? Might be too broad though.
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There's a lot of crossover with the Paradox community and certain subreddits like r/alternatehistory so it might work.
 
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