Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

[Lonely Grave]

Does anyone know of Red Dawn+20? It was a collaborative alt-history project on a "History, Politics and Current Affairs Forum" (apparently located on some WW3 novel series fansite called TBOVerse) that took the 1984 film Red Dawn to its logical extreme - WW3 breaks out and a limited nuclear war ensues with plenty of fighting on continental US and everywhere besides. It is described on TVTropes as "a bloody conflict lasting from September 3, 1985, to October 14, 1989" and piqued my interest with this hilarious passage: "The sight of a crew of "black GIs riding an ex-SS Panther with a Confederate Battle Flag whipping from the aerial leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan turned quite a few heads..."

I've been trying to find an archive of the whole thing for ages but no luck.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Does anyone know of Red Dawn+20? It was a collaborative alt-history project on a "History, Politics and Current Affairs Forum" (apparently located on some WW3 novel series fansite called TBOVerse) that took the 1984 film Red Dawn to its logical extreme - WW3 breaks out and a limited nuclear war ensues with plenty of fighting on continental US and everywhere besides. It is described on TVTropes as "a bloody conflict lasting from September 3, 1985, to October 14, 1989" and piqued my interest with this hilarious passage: "The sight of a crew of "black GIs riding an ex-SS Panther with a Confederate Battle Flag whipping from the aerial leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan turned quite a few heads..."

I've been trying to find an archive of the whole thing for ages but no luck.

They're just good ole boys who raided the American Legion.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

A random scenario:

If the Germans invaded Philippines instead of Japan

 

[RockPaper]

Odd to think that Eric Flint is about as left of center as it is possible to be without skidding off to cloud-cuckoo land. He actually worked as a union labor organizer in the deep South back when being such a thing could easily earn you a beating, or maybe even worse. 'Course he is published by Baen, which seems on some level or other to always lead to an "America, Fuck Yeah!" outcome.

Just replying to this now (and very late) because I mentioned I was reading the 1632 series in the "What are you reading now" thread.

I recognize the writing is just fine but not exceptional, though I will say I'm finding it more interesting the longer it goes. Unintended consequences of 17th-century people being exposed to 20th Century ideas, the Butterfly Effect causing people who would have died to continue living (like The King of Sweden) and vice-versa, the fact that all the famous people we know from the 17th century on will likely never be born at all, and the only way anyone learns about our prime timeline is the memory of the people and the town library. Which quickly turned into possibly the most important location in the entire world almost overnight. Even the authors don't really have a long-term plan about where it's going, or how long it's going to go. I like that idea.

To be honest, I think my favorite thing might be 17th-Century musicians being completely overwhelmed by pretty much everything musical after 1680. When they first see and hear a piano (which hadn't been invented yet), it's almost a religious experience.

The Ottomans effectively figuring out how to use dirigibles as battlefield weapons before everyone else was interesting, too. They just conquered and occupied Vienna, which, of course, in our timeline they never did.

 

[Lolcow Imperium]

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/emu-war.418550/

found this while lurking on the alternate history forums, these mods and the people who suck them off must be fucking great at parties.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

A random scenario:

If the Germans invaded Philippines instead of Japan

Talk about answering a question nobody was asking. Germany would never do something so logistically impractical when they had about a billion other more pressing targets. The scenario is so removed from reality that talking about it is useless because you have to either ignore so many circumstances of both countries or change them so much that they'd be the same countries in name only.

"What if instead of fighting the British, Washington's army invaded Finland?" -basically this video

 

[Lolcow Imperium]

Talk about answering a question nobody was asking. Germany would never do something so logistically impractical when they had about a billion other more pressing targets. The scenario is so removed from reality that talking about it is useless because you have to either ignore so many circumstances of both countries or change them so much that they'd be the same countries in name only.

"What if instead of fighting the British, Washington's army invaded Finland?" -basically this video

Filipinos are some of the internets biggest attention whores, they never shut the fuck up about the Philippines. For example, 9 times out of 10 on any youtube history channel a full quarter of the commentors are people asking for a version of the video in Tagalog or asking for a video on the history of the Philippines.

 

[Steven Aryan Universe]

There's a book called The Conquest of America by Cleveland Moffett. It's about Imperial Germany invading the mainland USA, I think it's free online. It was written in... 1917? I believe?

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

In anticipation of the impending shitstorm in November I've been looking for American Civil War 2.0 or balkanized America stories. Recently finished reading People's Republic by Kurt Schlichter which features an semi-peaceful split between red and blue states where the west coast, Chicago/great lakes, and new england split off to form the People's Republic of North America.

The book is set several years after the split and follows an army vet who makes a living running people across the border to red states. Its decently written but kinda formulaic, like third-hand Tom Clancy fanfiction. The worldbuilding is better, even prophetic in some places, like the blue state upper class fetishizing diversity while still being 99% white or how blue state law enforcement is just officially empowered street gangs.

Schlichter seems like a bit of a neocon so the conservative red states are less 1488 white ethnostate and more "dems are the real secessionists". Book was well written enough for me to look for the next in the series which is apparently a prequel set during the "mostly peaceful" split. Now I just need to find a white ethnostate secession story that doesn't feel like it was written one handed.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

There's a book called The Conquest of America by Cleveland Moffett. It's about Imperial Germany invading the mainland USA, I think it's free online. It was written in... 1917? I believe?

Sounds like propaganda to convince Americans that the US should join in beating on the Central Powers, AKA where the 20th century started going horribly wrong.

Now I just need to find a white ethnostate secession story that doesn't feel like it was written one handed.

Good luck with that. Two kinds of people write white ethnostate fiction. White nationalists and leftist socialists, both of whom use it for masturbation, just in different ways.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

There's a book called The Conquest of America by Cleveland Moffett. It's about Imperial Germany invading the mainland USA, I think it's free online. It was written in... 1917? I believe?

Sounds like propaganda to convince Americans that the US should join in beating on the Central Powers, AKA where the 20th century started going horribly wrong.


Good luck with that. Two kinds of people write white ethnostate fiction. White nationalists and leftist socialists, both of whom use it for masturbation, just in different ways.

Yes, The Conquest of America was one of many invasion books at the time that were written to increase fear that the Center Powers would carve up America RIGHT NOW IF THEY DON'T HELP THE ENTENTE IMMEDIATELY GOGOGOGO--

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Conquest of America (though you probably all know this) was part of a broader trend of "invasion" literature. It was to the 1900s what zombies were to the 2000s-2010s, everywhere. They also had a large variety of potential invaders; the British, for example, wrote a lot of novels about Germany invading, but also a lot about the French.

 

[DJ Grelle]

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/emu-war.418550/

found this while lurking on the alternate history forums, these mods and the people who suck them off must be fucking great at parties.

The guys over at alternate history are almost lolcows themselves. The only reason we don't have a thread is because their autism isn't that visible.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

The guys over at alternate history are almost lolcows themselves. The only reason we don't have a thread is because their autism isn't that visible.

No, I have just been too afraid of fucking up the OP/lazy to get around to making a thread about it.
There is plenty of great potential content, such as the native American language incident, but figuring out how to archive pages hidden behind needing an account is a pain in the ass nor do I want to be responsible maintaining a thread for 4 or more years.

 

[DJ Grelle]

No, I have just been too afraid of fucking up the OP/lazy to get around to making a thread about it.
There is plenty of great potential content, such as the native American language incident, but figuring out how to archive pages hidden behind needing an account is a pain in the ass nor do I want to be responsible maintaining a thread for 4 or more years.

Plenty of threads get maintained by its usual users. Ur not bound to it.
Biggest problem is the account gate indeed.
Also another spergout is the entire "is deporting poles to mittelafrika the same as genocide?"

 

[Fromtheblackdepths]

No, I have just been too afraid of fucking up the OP/lazy to get around to making a thread about it.
There is plenty of great potential content, such as the native American language incident, but figuring out how to archive pages hidden behind needing an account is a pain in the ass nor do I want to be responsible maintaining a thread for 4 or more years.

I have an account over there, just point me to the incidents and I can give you snips or shit.

 

[Jarolleon]

Odd to think that Eric Flint is about as left of center as it is possible to be without skidding off to cloud-cuckoo land. He actually worked as a union labor organizer in the deep South back when being such a thing could easily earn you a beating, or maybe even worse. 'Course he is published by Baen, which seems on some level or other to always lead to an "America, Fuck Yeah!" outcome.

To be fair, having a modern-day town travel back to Early Modern Europe and kick everyone's asses fits with the Left's chronological snobbery. Less "America Fuck Yeah!" and more "Current Year Fuck Yeah!".

 

[RockPaper]

To be fair, having a modern-day town travel back to Early Modern Europe and kick everyone's asses fits with the Left's chronological snobbery. Less "America Fuck Yeah!" and more "Current Year Fuck Yeah!".

Possibly, but the series is way more nuanced than that now, considering how many authors are involved and the fact that Flint primarily now has an overarching editor's role. Flint may be a liberal, but he started this thing in 1999 when things were a lot less obviously weird on the Left. The 20th-Century up-timers are influenced in many ways by the 17th-Century, and the down-timers are shown as very fleshed out and quite capable. The 20th century people are written as NOT being smarter than the people surrounding them, just technologically advantaged and bringing a lot of ideas about democracy and culture which are certainly dangerous and transformational.

I'm speaking as a fan, but I find the whole "clash of cultures" aspect of the 1632 universe to be quite sophisticated.

 

[JongleJingle]

There was this one really cool Alt. History thread I read on AH called Swarm on the Somme; basically the average Tyranid invasion vs. 1917 era Earth. It had Hitler becoming a bug killing god, Teddy Roosevelt punching monsters in the face and getting away with it, and crazy ass tanks that had chainsaws and shit stitched on the side like it was fucking Mad Max.

It was also pretty damn spoopy too; the bugs were (as expected) numerous as fuck, varied in form and purpose, and they could also merge with guns and vehicles(!) and make cyborg bug kaijus.

Good thing Tesla is involved and is making a superweapon of some sort...

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

To be fair, having a modern-day town travel back to Early Modern Europe and kick everyone's asses fits with the Left's chronological snobbery. Less "America Fuck Yeah!" and more "Current Year Fuck Yeah!".

Someone on the website made a good comparison that those stories are pretty much the same as 19th century evangelizing stories: "I am a native American", "Why good sir have you heard the good word?", "How could I have been so blind! WTF I love god now!".