American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[6MillionCoofs]

You do realize there's a difference between some retards breaking shit in Portland and an attempted coup against the US government right?

Yeah. Burning down shit got results.

If you think that is even an attempted coup and not an obvious glow op I don't know what to tell you.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Yeah. Burning down shit got results.

If you think that is even an attempted coup and not an obvious glow op I don't know what to tell you.

Ah yes anything that makes the Right look retarded is obviously just a fed trap.

You sound like Antifa blaming White Supremacists for why their protests turned violent this summer.

Remember when Lin Wood and Fox tried to claim BASED organic loving Q Shaman was Antifa only for him to politely correct them on Twitter?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Ah yes anything that makes the Right look retarded is obviously just a fed trap.

99% of the time it is a fed trap. And everything about the Capital Riot screams honeypot that glows brighter than the sun.

You sound like Antifa blaming White Supremacists for why their protests turned violent this summer.

I mean, the majority of protesters this summer were white...

Remember when Lin Wood and Fox tried to claim BASED organic loving Q Shaman was Antifa only for him to politely correct them on Twitter?

No. I did not know. That's very funny. Thanks for the laugh. God Wood is an idiot.

 

[Shield Breaker]

On one hand I agree with you on the other people are scared and pissed and the government has to seem like it's doing something to punish this shit.

This retarded thought process is what gave us the Patriot Act and every other stupid, dumb ass policy for the past fifty years. Fuck that.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Yeah, if they were truly all about unity and healing not punishing people for rioting and addressing their concerns would be what you would do.

That is not what the Dems are doing.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Yeah, if they were truly all about unity and healing not punishing people for rioting and addressing their concerns would be what you would do.

That is not what the Dems are doing.

I’m not seeing any Dems talking about unity and healing in regards to the Capitol boomerwaffen riot, but that’s all the republicans keep harping on about. Dems are doing the “accountability” chant.

You do realize there's a difference between some retards breaking shit in Portland and an attempted coup against the US government right?

And even then as Taco has repeatedly pointed out it's not like BLM and Antifa got off scot free ether.

Yes, this “but whatta bout” shit is so fucking stupid. They are not comparable.

Even in the late 1960’s during the peak of Vietnam war protests, burning multiple cities to the ground and calling out tanks due to race riots, dude literally barbecuing himself alive in front of the Pentagon, assassinations of major political figures on the left, the Weathermen and regular marches on the mall x10 larger than that crowd on Jan 6...nobody stormed the fucking Capitol, made Congress flee the Senate and House floors and killed a police office in the Capitol and battered a bunch more.

I can’t understand how anyone genuinely equates looting Targets, fucking up shit downtown and burning strip mall stores to violently invading the Capitol and calling for Pence to hang as a traitor. I can only believe they are covering their own asses and trying to distract.

America has had riots in cities hundreds of times since its inception. The draft riots of 1860 in NY made the BLM shit this summer look like preschool classes. The race riots of 1968 or LA in 1992, were far more destructive and deadly than summer 2020.

Fuck the Bonus Army of WW1 combat veterans and their families, who marched on Washington because they were starving and jobless didn’t bust into the Capitol- even after they were shot at, beaten and driven off the mall with extreme violence and told to fuck off forever.

Yet it’s people who claim to be American patriots, who think a bunch of assholes storming the Capitol, busting into offices, pissing on floors and getting people killed while a presidential election is being certified is really no biggie and just like any other common street riots or protests.

Trump supporters would have shit bricks, declared martial law and had 10,000 heads on pikes had even a handful of BLM protesters barged into the Capitol with stun guns, started fighting with cops and caused Congress to flee. Yet BLM protests in DC all summer resulted in no violence at the Capitol or any deaths. I’m sure Trump was disappointed because he really wanted to crack some BLM skulls in.

It’s really amazing to watch the extreme right try to justify pillaging the US Capitol because some lefties looted stores and burned shit in some cities this summer. Even in the 1960’s the John Birch Society or Goldwater fans didnt decide it was their turn to burn shit down and storm the Capitol because Goldwater lost and blacks were protesting.

To be clear I think violent protests on either side are fucking stupid. Boring non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective method for real political change in the USA.

But only retards can’t see how violently storming the US Capitol, resulting in deaths, during a session of Congress isn’t a completely different animal than common street riots and looting.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I’m not seeing any Dems talking about unity and healing in regards to the Capitol boomerwaffen riot, but that’s all the republicans keep harping on about. Dems are doing the “accountability” chant.



Yes, this “but whatta bout” shit is so fucking stupid. They are not comparable.

Even in the late 1960’s during the peak of Vietnam war protests, burning multiple cities to the ground and calling out tanks due to race riots, dude literally barbecuing himself alive in front of the Pentagon, assassinations of major political figures on the left, the Weathermen and regular marches on the mall x10 larger than that crowd on Jan 6...nobody stormed the fucking Capitol, made Congress flee the Senate and House floors and killed a police office in the Capitol and battered a bunch more.

I can’t understand how anyone genuinely equates looting Targets, fucking up shit downtown and burning strip mall stores to violently invading the Capitol and calling for Pence to hang as a traitor. I can only believe they are covering their own asses and trying to distract.

America has had riots in cities hundreds of times since its inception. The draft riots of 1860 in NY made the BLM shit this summer look like preschool classes. The race riots of 1968 or LA in 1992, were far more destructive and deadly than summer 2020.

Fuck the Bonus Army of WW1 combat veterans and their families, who marched on Washington because they were starving and jobless didn’t bust into the Capitol- even after they were shot at, beaten and driven off the mall with extreme violence and told to fuck off forever.

Yet it’s people who claim to be American patriots, who think a bunch of assholes storming the Capitol, busting into offices, pissing on floors and getting people killed while a presidential election is being certified is really no biggie and just like any other common street riots or protests.

Trump supporters would have shit bricks, declared martial law and had 10,000 heads on pikes had even a handful of BLM protesters barged into the Capitol with stun guns, started fighting with cops and caused Congress to flee. Yet BLM protests in DC all summer resulted in no violence at the Capitol or any deaths. I’m sure Trump was disappointed because he really wanted to crack some BLM skulls in.

It’s really amazing to watch the extreme right try to justify pillaging the US Capitol because some lefties looted stores and burned shit in some cities this summer. Even in the 1960’s the John Birch Society or Goldwater fans didnt decide it was their turn to burn shit down and storm the Capitol because Goldwater lost and blacks were protesting.

To be clear I think violent protests on either side are fucking stupid. Boring non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective method for real political change in the USA.

But only retards can’t see how violently storming the US Capitol, resulting in deaths, during a session of Congress isn’t a completely different than common street riots and looting.

Well Biden was after the election and Conservatards and libtards on Twitter alike mocked the dude for it.

But after talking mad shit for the past 6 years now that they've kicked the mother of all wasps nests and pissed off everyone the BASED Right can't blubber and fall into the fetal position crying for mercy fast enough.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Why? It did fuck all to punish cities burning down all year? The reason they are doing something now is not because people are scared or pissed, it's because they can.

No, its because THEY are pissed and THEY for a few minutes were fucking scared.

It doesn't matter how many homes got burned, because none of them were senator's homes.
It doesn't matter how many businesses were destroyed, because none of them were owned by senators.
It doesn't matter how many innocent bystanders were beaten to a bloody fucking pulp, because they were all just plebs.
It doesn't matter how many cops were intentionally targeted by armed agitators, because those cops weren't protecting senators.

Ordinary Americans can get fucked for all they care, but sit in the wrong chair and its fucking treason...

 

[X Prime]

Imagine mentioning the Weathermen and deliberately leaving out that they bombed the Capitol (and let's not repost for the umpteenth time about Susan Rosenberg). The likely only reason they didn't kill anyone but themselves is sheer incompetence and/or dumb luck.

Dishonest as all hell.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Yes, this “but whatta bout” shit is so fucking stupid. They are not comparable.

I see the definition of "whataboutism" remains "stop noticing that I'm a hypocrite."

Even in the late 1960’s during the peak of Vietnam war protests, burning multiple cities to the ground and calling out tanks due to race riots, dude literally barbecuing himself alive in front of the Pentagon, assassinations of major political figures on the left, the Weathermen and regular marches on the mall x10 larger than that crowd on Jan 6...nobody stormed the fucking Capitol, made Congress flee the Senate and House floors and killed a police office in the Capitol and battered a bunch more.

Yeah, the Capitol and our representatives are totally sacrosanct! It's not like Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire while Congress was in session (oh wait that happened) or the Weather Underground bombed it (oh wait that happened too) or even that a deranged BernieBro tried to massacre a good part of the House Republican Caucus (also happened.) Everything was fine and dandy until DRUMPFFFFFFF and his *ugh* supporters!

Trump supporters would have shit bricks, declared martial law and had 10,000 heads on pikes had even a handful of BLM protesters barged into the Capitol with stun guns, started fighting with cops and caused Congress to flee. Yet BLM protests in DC all summer resulted in no violence at the Capitol or any deaths. I’m sure Trump was disappointed because he really wanted to crack some BLM skulls in.

Yes, BLM engaged in totally non-violent actions like sieging the white house (what do you think was the context for the "Trump in his Bunker" meme?) and setting fire to St. John's church. I'm guessing it was "mostly peaceful" riots and arson. (Also, lol @ that last bit. "I'm totally non-partisan but totally convinced Trump is a klansman just aching for a chance to crack down on the good bois who dindu nuffin.")

To be clear I think violent protests on either side are fucking stupid. Boring non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective method for real political change in the USA.

Imagine being THIS delusional. "No, it's not that the Establishment has asymmetrical tolerance of political violence for obvious partisan reasons, it's the the Capitol and Congress are magic and cannot be besmirched, unlike the peasantry which can be burned and looted at a whim."

Protip: next time you go into partisan histrionics about a topic, try not being completely pig-ignorant about it. It helps in the long run.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I see the definition of "whataboutism" remains "stop noticing that I'm a hypocrite."

Yeah, the Capitol and our representatives are totally sacrosanct! It's not like Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire while Congress was in session (oh wait that happened) or the Weather Underground bombed it (oh wait that happened too) or even that a deranged BernieBro tried to massacre a good part of the House Republican Caucus (also happened.) Everything was fine and dandy until DRUMPFFFFFFF and his *ugh* supporters!

Why am I a hypocrite?

You listed a random act of political violence in Virginia committed by a lone individual and two acts by small radical groups. All of the events you listed involved less than ten people. None of them resulted in any deaths besides themselves.

The WU gave advanced warning to clear the building before denoting a small bomb in a fucking bathroom in the Capitol on a Sunday night. The Senate barber shop took the brunt of the damage. Zero deaths or injuries.

Puerto Rican Nationalists in 1954 tried violence in the Capitol to get attention for PR independence. Even with four gunmen with automatic weapons they still didn’t manage to kill anyone. These guys hated the USA and viewed the Capitol as the HQ of their country’s oppressors. They waved the PR flag, not the American flag, when trying to kill US congressmen.

The other guy was a lone nut who tried, and failed, to kill some congressmen at softball practice in Virginia. The only person who died that day was him. Fucked up but assassination attempts and political assassinations aren’t that rare in American history - ask MLK, Reagan, JFK, RFK, Lincoln, Gabby Giffords, etc...

None of the above events are comparable in scale to a mob of thousands violently breaking into the Capitol during a session of Congress to demand a presidential election be overturned and the VP and congressmen be tried for treason.

Yes, BLM engaged in totally non-violent actions like sieging the white house (what do you think was the context for the "Trump in his Bunker" meme?) and setting fire to St. John's church. I'm guessing it was "mostly peaceful" riots and arson. (Also, lol @ that last bit. "I'm totally non-partisan but totally convinced Trump is a klansman just aching for a chance to crack down on the good bois who dindu nuffin."

Did you read my post? Where did I ever say BLM were non-violent? I said they weren’t AS violent as the race riots in 1968 or 1860 and they weren’t, not by a long shot. Never said BLM protests weren’t violent or called what they did peaceful. You just pulled that out of your ass.

My point was that violent riots are a fairly common event in American history, whereas Americans storming the capital to intimidate congress and overturn an election has never fucking happened, ever.

Imagine being THIS delusional. "No, it's not that the Establishment has asymmetrical tolerance of political violence for obvious partisan reasons, it's the the Capitol and Congress are magic and cannot be besmirched, unlike the peasantry which can be burned and looted at a whim."

Did I say congressmen were wizards? Even mention the word magic or are you being histrionic?

The Capitol is the seat of American democracy where laws are made, and an angry mob wanted to disrupt the democratic process via violence and intimidation. This is the opposite of what you would expect from people calling themselves America patriots and waving flags.

Of course, they also claimed to support Blue Lives and then killed a cop and injured dozens more to show their support for the thin blue line.

You called me historic but are equating commercial property damage and business losses in cities to the “peasantry is being burned and looted”? Actual “peasants” couldn’t own land or businesses.

Protip: next time you go into partisan histrionics about a topic, try not being completely pig-ignorant about it. It helps in the long run.

Pro tip? Some sharp early aughts wit you got there. Did I get totally pwned too?

 

[Grandpa Simpson]

None of the above events are comparable in scale to a mob of thousands violently breaking into the Capitol during a session of Congress to demand a presidential election be overturned and the VP and congressmen be tried for treason.

I don't think thousands went in, it was several hundred, and it turns out some of the DC police let them in. But as usual let's use those few hundred as the standard for the hundreds of thousands listening to Trumps speech outside at the time. The media and big tech sure are.

 

[MadStan]

I mean he was right back then as well, it was just for the other side. Has everyone forgotten the Russian-DNC collusion already?

Hey buddy, Interference is one thing - making up millions of false ballots is another. No one ever said Russia made up ballots. Fraud is Interference. But Interference isn't always fraud.

 

[Sanshain]

No one ever said Russia made up ballots. Fraud is Interference. But Interference isn't always fraud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#Intrusions_into_state_voter-registration_systems

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[MadStan]

Not all the lawsuits filed challenging the election were made equal. There were a couple that were pretty damned good - in particular the PA and WI suits, which didn't involve any contested facts. Courts still didn't want to hear them. Read the dissents in the Wisconsin decision here: https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395 The dissenting judges are scathing, and rightly so. The plaintiffs clearly had good claims. Laches is not a doctrine that made sense in this context, as the plaintiffs filed soon after they suffered harm, and the grounds for laches were not present.

I don't know what remedy the court could have ordered. It seems like the only ones available with any real effect would be incredibly controversial. I'd argue election rules have to matter and that even a very disruptive, controversial remedy would be justified as anything less would in effect approve disregarding rules around one of the most important processes in liberal democracies.

Trump's most prominent advisers appeared inept. I do wonder how much difficulty was caused by the successful campaign to deter any lawyers from representing Trump by outfits like the Lincoln Project. Although even with better lawyers I'm not sure they would've overcome several major difficulties, viz (1) court reticence to get involved in something this controversial, already mentioned; (2) the incredible time pressures - it is practically impossible to take all the depositions that would be necessary within the time allowed, even with a better legal team; and (3) problems in sifting the evidence in the first place to establish what's worth pursuing and what isn't. Again, too much to do, too little time.

The major lawsuits on PA had NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD. They were about the processes used to accept votes - but the briefs even said "these briefs (relating to PA) had nothing to do with fraud".

So spare me.

In PA they were whining people could vote - literally. Not fraud. But when you turn on the TV there is Trump and Rudy saying millions of votes were "added" and "millions of false ballots".
Dominion machines counted millions of ballots that never existed" and the list of horseshit goes on and on,

Just shut up and read the briefs instead of the summaries you got from Fox News.

And spare me that a President of his legal team who magically knew the election was going to be a big fraud a year out had no time to:

1. Legislate.
2. Prepare.
3. Didn't have any money to have investigators on stand by,
4. Didn't have a single mechanism in place to catch EVEN ONE FRAUDULENT VOTE.

I mean, listen to yourself. the President with a Billion dollars knew there was going to be a fraudulent election and then when it happened has NOT ONE EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE FLASE BALLOT. Not a single example of a double ballot.

Seriously, it is absurd.

To get a Judge to accept the case and move forward with discovery you ONLY HAD TO SHOW A HANDFUL of the fraudulent votes you claimed represented millions.

And he had none. NONE.

 

[AnOminous]

Why doesn't the USA just use paper ballots and severely limit mail in ballots like the rest of the world?

Edit: that isn't some banana republic

Because at best, government contractors for voting machines are almost always the shittiest lowball offer they got, and at worst, they're actively corrupt rather than merely lazy producers of shitty products.

To get a Judge to accept the case and move forward with discovery you ONLY HAD TO SHOW A HANDFUL of the fraudulent votes you claimed represented millions.

They did find a smattering of dead people votes but not enough to change anything in even one state much less the three+ they needed.

 

[Bosmadden]

I’m not seeing any Dems talking about unity and healing in regards to the Capitol boomerwaffen riot, but that’s all the republicans keep harping on about. Dems are doing the “accountability” chant.


Yes, this “but whatta bout” shit is so fucking stupid. They are not comparable.

Even in the late 1960’s during the peak of Vietnam war protests, burning multiple cities to the ground and calling out tanks due to race riots, dude literally barbecuing himself alive in front of the Pentagon, assassinations of major political figures on the left, the Weathermen and regular marches on the mall x10 larger than that crowd on Jan 6...nobody stormed the fucking Capitol, made Congress flee the Senate and House floors and killed a police office in the Capitol and battered a bunch more.

I can’t understand how anyone genuinely equates looting Targets, fucking up shit downtown and burning strip mall stores to violently invading the Capitol and calling for Pence to hang as a traitor. I can only believe they are covering their own asses and trying to distract.

America has had riots in cities hundreds of times since its inception. The draft riots of 1860 in NY made the BLM shit this summer look like preschool classes. The race riots of 1968 or LA in 1992, were far more destructive and deadly than summer 2020.

Fuck the Bonus Army of WW1 combat veterans and their families, who marched on Washington because they were starving and jobless didn’t bust into the Capitol- even after they were shot at, beaten and driven off the mall with extreme violence and told to fuck off forever.

Yet it’s people who claim to be American patriots, who think a bunch of assholes storming the Capitol, busting into offices, pissing on floors and getting people killed while a presidential election is being certified is really no biggie and just like any other common street riots or protests.

Trump supporters would have shit bricks, declared martial law and had 10,000 heads on pikes had even a handful of BLM protesters barged into the Capitol with stun guns, started fighting with cops and caused Congress to flee. Yet BLM protests in DC all summer resulted in no violence at the Capitol or any deaths. I’m sure Trump was disappointed because he really wanted to crack some BLM skulls in.

It’s really amazing to watch the extreme right try to justify pillaging the US Capitol because some lefties looted stores and burned shit in some cities this summer. Even in the 1960’s the John Birch Society or Goldwater fans didnt decide it was their turn to burn shit down and storm the Capitol because Goldwater lost and blacks were protesting.

To be clear I think violent protests on either side are fucking stupid. Boring non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective method for real political change in the USA.

But only retards can’t see how violently storming the US Capitol, resulting in deaths, during a session of Congress isn’t a completely different animal than common street riots and looting.

I agree. Burning down an innocent person's business for no fucking reason is way, way worse than a few dozen boomers making some chickenshit Congress cretin feel 'unsafe'.

The majority of the Senators and Congressmen were more than happy to either turn a blind eye to the summer rioting or openly supported it. They gave zero fucks about a mom and pop store being looted, a retired policeman being brutally murdered for having the gall to defend a friends property, old people being beaten to shit by random joggers. They did not give a fuck about them and any calls to protect innocent people were silenced with muh racism and yatzee.

So fuck them, I'm glad they got a taste of their own medicine.

Not that Trump was some champion of the little people, he did nothing to help, but at least he spoke out against it.

The major lawsuits on PA had NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD. They were about the processes used to accept votes - but the briefs even said "these briefs (relating to PA) had nothing to do with fraud".

So spare me.

In PA they were whining people could vote - literally. Not fraud. But when you turn on the TV there is Trump and Rudy saying millions of votes were "added" and "millions of false ballots".
Dominion machines counted millions of ballots that never existed" and the list of horseshit goes on and on,

Just shut up and read the briefs instead of the summaries you got from Fox News.

And spare me that a President of his legal team who magically knew the election was going to be a big fraud a year out had no time to:

1. Legislate.
2. Prepare.
3. Didn't have any money to have investigators on stand by,
4. Didn't have a single mechanism in place to catch EVEN ONE FRAUDULENT VOTE.

I mean, listen to yourself. the President with a Billion dollars knew there was going to be a fraudulent election and then when it happened has NOT ONE EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE FLASE BALLOT. Not a single example of a double ballot.

Seriously, it is absurd.

To get a Judge to accept the case and move forward with discovery you ONLY HAD TO SHOW A HANDFUL of the fraudulent votes you claimed represented millions.

And he had none. NONE.

This is a ridiculous argument.

Never in American history, in fact never in the history of any major democracy, has unsolicited mass postal balloting been used as the primary means to conduct an election.

We've had postal services for centuries, but we've never done this before and for good reason.

Voting has to be secret and it has to be secure with a known chain of custody for each and every ballot.

Covid was used as a means to ram this through and it wasn't done because of any worries about spreading the coof. Now watch when Covid hysteria dies a death whether or not the Dems give up their postal balloting system. Not fucking likely.

 

[Blake Chortles]

The reason the reactions are different is because the left sided violence preys on regular people and each other. Noone of consequence to Elites is usually hurt and the violence is easily directed.

The right sided violence knows who the people in charge are and is more random sporadic.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The major lawsuits on PA had NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD. They were about the processes used to accept votes - but the briefs even said "these briefs (relating to PA) had nothing to do with fraud".

>"you have no evidence of fraud lol"
>"ackachually the major lawsuits had nothing to do with fraud. this proves you wrong"

Its like saying "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" then immediately turning around and admitting the towers got fucking Jenga'd and bent by falling debris, and thinking this addmission proves the other guy wrong.

The reason the reactions are different is because the left sided violence preys on regular people and each other. Noone of consequence to Elites is usually hurt and the violence is easily directed.

The right sided violence knows who the people in charge are and is more random sporadic.

TBF that one lone Berniebro who shot Scalise was at least aiming for what he perceived to be the snake's head.
Not justifying the murderous shithead, just pointing out that not all lefty acts of violence are inherently aimed at pillaging the plebs.
(but I don't disagree with your point)

 

[FunPosting101]

>"you have no evidence of fraud lol"
>"ackachually the major lawsuits had nothing to do with fraud. this proves you wrong"

Its like saying "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" then immediately turning around and admitting the towers got fucking Jenga'd and bent by falling debris, and thinking this addmission proves the other guy wrong.

TBF that one lone Berniebro who shot Scalise was at least aiming for what he perceived to be the snake's head.
Not justifying the murderous shithead, just pointing out that not all lefty acts of violence are inherently aimed at pillaging the plebs.
(but I don't disagree with your point)

Plus, one of the points of the various lawsuits was to get a proper audit with proper signature matching done in each of the counties where the fraud took place, this didn't happen for really obvious reasons.