Windows 10 is rumored to be getting a major redesign. Don't screw this up, Microsoft!

I've seen a theory floated that MS are preparing to migrate from the NT based kernel, to one based on *nix. I will try to find the source, but it wasn't from just random nobodies.

Eric S. Raymond also wrote a blog post about this idea recently:
The two most intriguing developments in the recent evolution of the Microsoft Windows operating system are Windows System for Linux (WSL) and the porting of their Microsoft Edge browser to Ubuntu.

For those of you not keeping up, WSL allows unmodified Linux binaries to run under Windows 10. No emulation, no shim layer, they just load and go.

Microsoft developers are now landing features in the Linux kernel to improve WSL. And that points in a fascinating technical direction. To understand why, we need to notice how Microsoft’s revenue stream has changed since the launch of its cloud service in 2010.

Ten years later, Azure makes Microsoft most of its money. The Windows monopoly has become a sideshow, with sales of conventional desktop PCs (the only market it dominates) declining. Accordingly, the return on investment of spending on Windows development is falling. As PC volume sales continue to fall off , it’s inevitably going to stop being a profit center and turn into a drag on the business.

Looked at from the point of view of cold-blooded profit maximization, this means continuing Windows development is a thing Microsoft would prefer not to be doing. Instead, they’d do better putting more capital investment into Azure – which is widely rumored to be running more Linux instances than Windows these days.

Our third ingredient is Proton. Proton is the emulation layer that allows Windows games distributed on Steam to run over Linux. It’s not perfect yet, but it’s getting close. I myself use it to play World of Warships on the Great Beast.

The thing about games is that they are the most demanding possible stress test for a Windows emulation layer, much more so than business software. We may already be at the point where Proton-like technology is entirely good enough to run Windows business software over Linux. If not, we will be soon.

So, you’re a Microsoft corporate strategist. What’s the profit-maximizing path forward given all these factors?

It’s this: Microsoft Windows becomes a Proton-like emulation layer over a Linux kernel, with the layer getting thinner over time as more of the support lands in the mainline kernel sources. The economic motive is that Microsoft sheds an ever-larger fraction of its development costs as less and less has to be done in-house.

If you think this is fantasy, think again. The best evidence that it’s already the plan is that Microsoft has already ported Edge to run under Linux. There is only one way that makes any sense, and that is as a trial run for freeing the rest of the Windows utility suite from depending on any emulation layer.

So, the end state this all points at is: New Windows is mostly a Linux kernel, there’s an old-Windows emulation over it, but Edge and the rest of the Windows user-land utilities don’t use the emulation. The emulation layer is there for games and other legacy third-party software.

Economic pressure will be on Microsoft to deprecate the emulation layer. Partly because it’s entirely a cost center. Partly because they want to reduce the complexity cost of running Azure. Every increment of Windows/Linux convergence helps with that – reduces administration and the expected volume of support traffic.

Eventually, Microsoft announces upcoming end-of-life on the Windows emulation. The OS itself , and its userland tools, has for some time already been Linux underneath a carefully preserved old-Windows UI. Third-party software providers stop shipping Windows binaries in favor of ELF binaries with a pure Linux API…

…and Linux finally wins the desktop wars, not by displacing Windows but by co-opting it. Perhaps this is always how it had to be.

To be clear, I'm not saying this is true, just an interesting theory that I have seen once or twice fairly recently (since WSL2 was released).
 
Microsoft recently posted a job listing on its website that said the company is working on a "sweeping visual rejuvenation of Windows experiences to signal to our customers that Windows is BACK and ensure that Windows is considered the best user OS experience for customers," according to Windows Latest. The listing remains but the language has since been dialed back quite a bit.

Now your PC will look and feel just like that Windows phone nobody bought.

Aren't you exited?
 
i'm going to assume this journo is on drugs and they're merely talking about microsoft rolling out "fluent" design, which has existed for like four years now or some shit and the most they've done is change a couple of icons. nu-microsoft's windows team is so hilariously incompetent they can't even gut out windows nt properly

i find it funny that the "ME/VISTA BAD!!!!" meme is now considered a historical fact when i genuinely think both of those oses are far better than 10 ever was
Can't wait for a file explorer for retards. I'm sure they'll remove features and refuse to add tabs
there's been a "modern" file explorer for a few years now and it's being included with windows 10x... it's the same shitty half-baked nonfunctional uwp shit they've been shoehorning into windows for half a decade. i don't think they're going to kill the old win32 file explorer in 10 soon (the control panel's mangled corpse is still lingering around but shit like the default taskbar has already been replaced with uwp crap) , but if they do oh my fucking god that'll be the final nail in the coffin
I've seen a theory floated that MS are preparing to migrate from the NT based kernel, to one based on *nix. I will try to find the source, but it wasn't from just random nobodies.

Eric S. Raymond also wrote a blog post about this idea recently
eric is a boomer linux fanatic and i would not take what he's saying about this seriously, although i would not be surprised if microsoft tries moving away from windows nt soon... even though it's what made them as a company and people are still dependent on its "legacy" components and win32 programs... bruh fuck microsoft
 
They realized that they can't push out Windows 11 because they promised to only keep updating 10, and they're still planning to force people to switch through software and hardware that requires Windows 10.

Interesting times ahead, and we're only at the first bend in the road.
 
I don't care if support has ended. I'll never get rid of my Windows 7.
The newest versions of Windows 10 LTSC have finally become a pretty decent replacement for it once you turn off all the spying it's possible to turn off and install Open Shell. And you get 10 years of support, which is seeming like a better and better idea to ride out the next wave of idiocy.
 
>Tablet users will also reportedly get a redesigned virtual keyboard with better access to emojis

Because that's what's important.
This doesn't surprise me. Microsoft has been catering to normalfags since 7, to try to make things more "easier" or "friendly" for them. Every normalfag (especially boomers) uses emojis like they are going out of fucking style, and you rarely ever see a desktop computer in the house these days since it's all portable shit whether its an actual laptop or tablet that comes with a attachable keyboard. Hell, people even do business shit on their phones, which is something i will never understand.
>Windows 10 has been a runaway success

A forced runaway success.
Not that it stops businesses from still using Windows 7 anyways. A lot of companies are trying to hold onto that OS for as long as they can. Half the reason is because their proprietary software only works on older shit. It's why you have companies that force their employees to use Internet Explorer to do their work because their web-based shit refuses to cooperate with Chrome/Firefox, especially if you have ad-blocker plugins. And then there's the VM route... some companies just buy those little boxes, stick Win 7 on it and call it a day.
1. Stop trying to force using an online account.
You mean how like everything else forces you to use an online account? For anyone that plays vidya, this is nothing new... companies have been forcing people to use their specific shit for YEARS. The best example i can think of is the thousands of Gacha games out there for mobile. Not defending them, mind you, but don't expect this shit to end anytime soon.
2. For the love of God, why does the update process take so fucking long? I can do major updates in Linux and not only does it not take forever, but I can still use my computer no problem, even after rebooting (not stuck staring at a blue screening telling me it's updating), which, I can do whenever I want, not to mention that most actual OS updates don't even require a restart, just a service restart, which happens automatically without me even noticing. The only ones it actually tells me to restart for are kernel updates.
3. Get rid of all the fucking telemetry shit or allow people to turn it off completely.
4. Get rid of the bloatware bullshit
5. I don't like [insert shitty Windows app], why can't I fucking uninstall it?
For anyone curious about any of this, let me see if I can explain this in a way that makes sense.

Firstly, the telementary shit is not going anywhere. For anyone that's not yet familiar with the Vault7 leaks from WikiLeaks, companies like Microsoft do NOT have your best interests at heart. If anything, it's all about taking as much information from you, the user, as possible. The reason why the updates take so goddam long is because it's scanning your entire computer for any changes that YOU'VE made to the system, and then it reverts those changes on its own while it's doing the updates. It could be anything minor or major (eg. Microsoft switching the default PDF viewer to Edge even though you could have had Adobe set as default before the update).

Second, microsoft makes like a bajilion connections to various IP's and networks. Here's a list of just a FEW of them...
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You can add these in " C : \Windows\System32\drivers\etc" on notepad to block these connections but even then it won't do you any good because Microsoft even has shit in CHINA that it connects to before it bounces back to them.

Lastly, there are programs like these two that can "de-bloat" Win10 and get rid of unwanted apps, but they either rely on disabling group policies or just temporarily disable spyware, which then get reactivated with the next security update, so unless you're using Win10 at home and don't plan on updating the OS, it's kinda useless.
What are you going to do if they fuck up? Switch to Linux? >:>D
Shitposting aside, Normalfags will NEVER do this unless they are desperate for something better. I have first hands experience with this, and trying to explain Linux to normalfags is a tiresome and pointless endeavor. Either they will just "ok" you to death because they got bored like 5 seconds ago as soon as you mentioned it, or they will give you that blank stare like you're speaking egyptian to them, no matter how much you dumb it down for them. This mostly comes around the point where you tell them you can't run Windows programs on Linux and Linux has it's own software that's similar to windows.
Can't wait for a file explorer for retards. I'm sure they'll remove features and refuse to add tabs
Classic Shell still exists and last I checked, still works on Win10.
Make it XP+
You joke, but there actually IS one of those. It's called XP SP4 and its made by these guys
 
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Shitposting aside, Normalfags will NEVER do this unless they are desperate for something better. I have first hands experience with this, and trying to explain Linux to normalfags is a tiresome and pointless endeavor.
I really don't understand the animosity towards linux apart from the fact I can't be bothered to teach Grandpa in HR how to use it.
It's just "we've always used windows so that's what we'll do" despite the fact the licensing is a bitch and linux is free. I'd be interested to know if any companies use linux on a large scale if only to prove that it does work and isn't against the laws of physics like people make it sound.
 
Lastly, there are programs like these two that can "de-bloat" Win10 and get rid of unwanted apps, but they either rely on disabling group policies or just temporarily disable spyware, which then get reactivated with the next security update
This doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least on LTSC. I've been running it for a few months now, through a few security updates, and haven't had anything "grow back" so far. I know it definitely used to put back everything you uninstalled, but things do seem to have gotten better.
 
Yes that's why you do it for them and refuse to give them anything else. My mum runs Ubuntu now.
Ditto, except it only lasted for a few years until she caved in and had my dad buy her a new HP Win10 Laptop. Before that though, once I installed Ubuntu for her, I didn't hear a peep out of her unless it was for printing issues, but that was because the printer we had at the time was a piece of shit that wouldn't recognize any of the computers in the house half the time.
 
Now your PC will look and feel just like that Windows phone nobody bought.

Aren't you exited?

I loved my windows phone. Apart from the five occasions it ran out of processing speed due to having a lack of memory and I had to spend hours on the phone with Microsoft trying to get the problem resolved.
Still it was very cheap for a smartphone.
 
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