Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

I'm in the southeast, so the people responsible for the abstinence only shit here are various evangelical creatures, southern baptists, etc. Growing up they also made it so science textbooks were required to have "evolution is a theory not a fact" stickers. This is in public school, mind you.

I can believe poverty increases the risk of teen pregnancy and shit. Poor kids have less access to education, contraception, etc. It's part of why there's such a huge need for Planned Parenthood and other clinics in these areas. Maternal mortality is also a problem for similar reasons (it's a huge problem in my state).

Back on the subject of tards and spuds, I wonder how the rate of them being born/carried to term/etc varies between states? As well as the prognosis for kids with serious health issues?
 
If Jews are pretty permissive, I wonder what it is that makes hardcore Bible thumpers think they have to be pro-life?

Until the 1970s, 'life begins at conception' was pretty much considered a fringe idea, one that was mainly popular among Catholics. However, once Jerry Farwell began influencing the Republicans, who were courting a lot of evangelicals, it's like they started moving from the idea of 'life or ensoulment begins at quickening (the baby's first movements in the womb) to 'life begins at conception.'

One position allows for abortion up to a certain time, the other considers abortion to be murder.

They used the same Bible, but now they see different things in it. What do they see now that they didn't before, and what justification are they using to adopt a Catholic view, even while some still saying that Catholics aren't 'Christian?'

I don't know of this was "the reason," but turning abortion into the moral cause for right-wing evangelical types made the Republican Party and the right wing in general more palatable for Catholics, who traditionally in America had been more working class and left leaning. Besides abortion, Catholic values are big on helping the poor, providing health care and education, etc.

Catholics are also supposed to be against the death penalty. A lot of early labour movements had many Catholics (and Jews.) Lots of 60s and 70s activist nuns were out there supporting Civil Rights, opposing war, opposing nuclear weapons, opposing the death penalty, advocating for social programs for the poor, etc. But they were also all ostensibly pro-life.

But things like poverty, war, and racism are complex and hard to grabble with. The death penalty is bad, but people don't generally have sympathy for the actual convicts on death row, so that's more of a philosophical issue for most people. But if you truly believe that abortion is actually murder, of the most undeserving and innocent victims imaginable, then you'll be easily exploited by people with the same agenda. You can put those other issues on the back burner because babies are being murdered!

Even though I honestly despise the church, I tend to find myself defending Catholics online a lot, especially when people lump them in with creationists. A monk taught me evolution. A Catholic priest theorized the Big Bang. The pope gave permission for people to skip mass during the pandemic, and my parents' bishop actually FORBADE people over 65 from attending mass until it is safe. The Vatican also posted a pretty thorough report on the stem cells used for the covid vaccine and why it's okay for Catholics to receive it. They're a pretty pro-science bunch, for a group of people who think one man has a magic phone to God.

Forgive the sperg. This is all to say that Catholics in America tended to be very solidly left-leaning, traditionally. Abortion was the issue that made a good chunk of them turn right. So again, I don't know if that's THE reason Evangelicals suddenly became interested in abortion, but I think it increased their power as a voting bloc, and somebody must have noticed. (Also, as a tool to fight feminism. They realized more young women would leave their congregations if they weren't anchored down by marriage and babies.)

Of course most average Joe Catholics are a bit more pragmatist than to only vote on abortion-- they'll weigh it with their other values, or recognize that things like education help reduce the abortion rate. But there is a rising trend of conservative Catholics (the ones who said Pope Francis should be careful about calling for more taxes for the rich) and Trad Caths. They have all the crazy fundie nonsense with the grandiosity of Catholicism. It's gross.
 
I'm in the southeast, so the people responsible for the abstinence only shit here are various evangelical creatures, southern baptists, etc. Growing up they also made it so science textbooks were required to have "evolution is a theory not a fact" stickers. This is in public school, mind you.

I can believe poverty increases the risk of teen pregnancy and shit. Poor kids have less access to education, contraception, etc. It's part of why there's such a huge need for Planned Parenthood and other clinics in these areas. Maternal mortality is also a problem for similar reasons (it's a huge problem in my state).

Back on the subject of tards and spuds, I wonder how the rate of them being born/carried to term/etc varies between states? As well as the prognosis for kids with serious health issues?
Poverty will lead to increased teen pregnancy because poor teenage girls are much more likely to get pregnant on purpose. Providing contraception won’t change that. Read ‘Promises I can keep: why poor women put motherhood before marriage’.

There’s a lot of factors that lead to spuddery aside from a random roll of the genetic dice.
1). Inbreeding. The Amish and the FLDS have issues with this, but I don’t know if they’re a significantly large enough portion of any state’s population to make a noticeable difference in tater births.
2). Maternal alcohol and drug abuse. A really significant number of Alaska Native children are born with FASD, and Appalachia (and everywhere dealing with heroin addiction, but Appalachia is especially bad) has a lot of babies born to mothers who do meth and/or heroin.
3). Environmental factors like pollution. Very locally specific, more so than just an entire state.
4). Mom (and dad) themselves being tards. Unfortunately the worse deindustrialization gets, the more the ‘left behind’ will be people who simply cannot leave, and they will disproportionately be the learning disabled and low IQ, which means their town will get dumber.
 
Most evangelicals and most Catholics use birth control within marriage. If they didn’t, the US birth rate would be enormously high, considering that combined the two groups make up about half the population. I grew up in a heavily Catholic area and I knew very few Catholic families with more than three kids and none with 7+ except one immigrant family (7 is the average number of kids a woman will have without contraception). A Catholic lady near me had 17 kids from the 40s through the 60s and 41 grandkids.

The abstinence only sex ed states also tend to be quite poor. Utah has a very low teen birth rate despite being heavily religious. Areas with lots of poverty will always have higher birth rates for teens and young women.

So the super special baby becomes a science class specimen instead of being treated with any dignity. If they feel the need to honor their clot, they should dig a whole and plant it with a tree or rosebush or something.

What aspect of COVID killed the fetus? It couldn't have gotten pneumonia. That's very interesting. Did it tax the mother's body too much to support the fetus?
I don't know why the baby died. My guess is that the virus invaded his bloodstream and caused inflammation that his body couldn't fight off, and it's also possible that he may have had some other disorder that made him susceptible.

Regarding Mormons, I can't find anything to back this up, but I have heard that they have one of the highest abortion rates of members of any (or no) religion. Their practices strongly frown on childbirth out of wedlock, so it may not always be the woman's decision.
 
It almost looks like that baby's face is bruised from proning. Does she have breathing problems? Is she taking oxygen off for pictures?
So the super special baby becomes a science class specimen instead of being treated with any dignity. If they feel the need to honor their clot, they should dig a whole and plant it with a tree or rosebush or something.

What aspect of COVID killed the fetus? It couldn't have gotten pneumonia. That's very interesting. Did it tax the mother's body too much to support the fetus?
Probably the increased PCO2 in the mother's blood and poor oxygenation destroyed the baby's brain cells and killed it.
 
I wonder whether Luna wears a CPAP mask for sleep apnea. I’ve seen kids with irritation/sores on their cheeks and chin due to how tight the mask has to be on the face.
The infant CPAP masks I've seen are just around the nose. If she has a lot of fluid and poor ventilation, I would reckon doctors might skip annoying equipment and just tell the Empathic Nutritionist to flip her on her belly with a proning pillow. But maybe it would be a pediatric CPAP mask since her head is so big?

She has never mentioned that Luna is tub fed though.

I think some parents feel embarassed about their "failure" to feed their children, and admitting publicly that Luna can't swallow would probably challenge the picture she's painted. I wonder what Luna's EEG scans look like?
 
I think some parents feel embarassed about their "failure" to feed their children, and admitting publicly that Luna can't swallow would probably challenge the picture she's painted. I wonder what Luna's EEG scans look like?
Was half asleep when I wrote that last night shes never mentioned oxygen but she fully admits that luna has been tube fed her entire life. Never seen her post an EEG, but there are some scans in an earlier post of physical structures to make a helmet. Her head grew fast enough to break it though it seemed.
 
Utah has a pretty low rate of teenage pregnancy, despite being pretty religious. If one were to make assumptions, one might assume that the LDS focus on family and actually walking the walk might have something to do with that...
Regarding Mormons, I can't find anything to back this up, but I have heard that they have one of the highest abortion rates of members of any (or no) religion. Their practices strongly frown on childbirth out of wedlock, so it may not always be the woman's decision.
I wonder if these things are related :thinking:
 
Was half asleep when I wrote that last night shes never mentioned oxygen but she fully admits that luna has been tube fed her entire life. Never seen her post an EEG, but there are some scans in an earlier post of physical structures to make a helmet. Her head grew fast enough to break it though it seemed.
You don't put a child as old as Luna in a helmet, so I'm guessing this was some time ago. I hear you on being half asleep.
 
Powerlevel, but I'm a staunch pro-life gal myself. That said, in cases like these, I don't see a single reason how abortion isn't the more ethical choice. You either kill it before it can feel any pain, or you subject it to a lifetime of endless pain they have no way to comprehend. Pretty sure it's not playing God if God made our bodies have a method to murder the kid in utero if it's FUBAR. Just fixing a glitch God overlooked in our programming.

I had a debate with a fellow Catholic about this, and he kept insisting that you're supposed to carry it to term and then make it as comfortable as possible while it passes away. He had no response when I asked what happens if the baby doesn't pass away in a day or two. Apparently, letting your baby starve to death is the Based Catholic Way, and abortion is No No, Don't Be a Murderer. How is it a Catholic ideal to let a kid starve in absolute utter agony instead of aborting it? :c
 
Amy news on beauty queen Kayli? Since her madmom discovery of this thread and switching to another platform no any updates..
 
Thanks to the Supreme Court, Tinslee Lewis has to continue her "life" of unending torment: (archive)

Life for Tinslee Lewis​

LIFE | The Supreme Court weighs in on case of a child on life support​

by Leah Hickman

Posted 1/14/21, 06:32 pm​

The Supreme Court on Monday rejected Cook Children’s Medical Center’s request to remove a child from life support against her mother’s wishes. The case returns to a lower court, where Tinslee Lewis’ supporters at Texas Right to Life expect the court to allow the child to keep living.
Almost 2-year-old Tinslee in Fort Worth, Texas, suffers from a rare heart defect, lung disease, and high blood pressure and has been in the hospital since her premature birth on Feb. 1, 2019. After she stopped breathing in July 2019, the hospital provided sedation, ventilation, and extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, in which a machine oxygenates the blood in place of the heart and lungs.
In November 2019, the children’s hospital tried to invoke Texas’ “10-day rule,” to take Tinslee off life support. Under this rule, hospitals that wish to remove a patient from life-sustaining treatment when the family disagrees must try to find another facility willing to take the patient. If no other provider is willing, the hospital can deny treatment after 10 days.
Tinslee’s mother, Trinity Lewis, argued that her daughter’s condition could still improve and began a lengthy court battle against the rule.
This July, a Texas appeals court released a carefully researched 148-page opinion in favor of Lewis. “When a terminally ill patient or her surrogate decision maker (especially a parent of a minor patient with her own individual liberty interest) actively opposes the withdrawal of life-sustaining treatment, the right to life is clearly implicated,” Justice Wade Birdwell wrote. Texas Right to Life said the “incredibly significant” decision “decimates” the 10-day rule.
A month after the Texas Supreme Court also ruled in Tinslee’s favor in October 2020, Cook Children’s Medical Center appealed to the Supreme Court. Since the justices have rejected the request, only one more trial, in the 48th District Court, stands between Tinslee and the end of the monthslong legal battle.
“We feel great about Tinslee’s case in the courts,” Texas Right to Life spokesperson Kim Schwartz said, pointing to the appeals court’s opinion. “Whenever it goes back to the trial court, the judge will use that opinion to make her decision. And so that will really inform the way that the judge is supposed to think about this case.”
Tinslee has recently made “positive steps forward in her health,” Schwartz said, though she would not provide specifics for the sake of the family’s privacy. She added other doctors have reviewed Tinslee’s case and said recovery is not hopeless. According to a motion filed in a district court in July, a doctor from the University of Michigan said performing a tracheostomy could improve Tinslee’s condition.
“A year ago, [Cook Children’s Medical Center] said that Tinslee was going to die in five months,” Schwartz said. “Not only is that blatantly disproven … but these other doctors have looked at her and said that ‘No, actually. We think that there is hope for Tinslee.’”
A ruling in Lewis’ favor means Tinslee would continue receiving treatment at the hospital. It would also invalidate the use of the 10-day rule in other Texas cases, allowing families to seek out additional medical care options for their sick loved ones.

Here's a shitty updated picture of the poor spud, complete with angel wings, cat ears and a unicorn horn, proving that there's no torture that cannot be improved upon with some tasteless tat.

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Thanks to the Supreme Court, Tinslee Lewis has to continue her "life" of unending torment: (archive)



Here's a shitty updated picture of the poor spud, complete with angel wings, cat ears and a unicorn horn, proving that there's no torture that cannot be improved upon with some tasteless tat.

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If "other doctors do not think her case is hopeless" then why do they not take her on in their covering hospitals? If they really thought she had a chance they would have let her be transfered to them.
 
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