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Trans men lecturing about privilege makes me cackle. So this a fun two parter:

Things I Can Do As A Guy That I Couldn't As A Girl (the top comment: 'Literally one of the things I'm excited to do most when I transition is support women.')

Things I Could Do As a Girl But Not As A Guy (lord, the section on not being able to smile at babies anymore. You're not intimidating at all, the pedostache and voice are what I assume scares them away)
God she's insufferable. I had to skip through the two minutes of confession about "his" superior privilege in which she name-checked all the BIPOC and non-conforming and everyone who is somehow more disadvantaged than a "straight white seemingly-cis guy"... yeah yeah, gotta recite the liturgy first, I get it, but I'll spare myself the pain, thanks.

What really makes me MOTI is someone who actually understands existing in the world as a woman and how much misogyny women face, and ostensibly is "calling it out" ...while simultaneously having decided, fuck all you lame women, I am not lame so in fact I really belong to the "better" team.
 
That second one is using a server rack as furniture in its hoard :story:
**I'm retarded, how do I insert a quote into the message once it's selected in multi-quote?
When you hit multi quote and go down to the bottom of the page at the text box, there should be an ‘insert quotes’ option.

God she's insufferable. I had to skip through the two minutes of confession about "his" superior privilege in which she name-checked all the BIPOC and non-conforming and everyone who is somehow more disadvantaged than a "straight white seemingly-cis guy"... yeah yeah, gotta recite the liturgy first, I get it, but I'll spare myself the pain, thanks.

What really makes me MOTI is someone who actually understands existing in the world as a woman and how much misogyny women face, and ostensibly is "calling it out" ...while simultaneously having decided, fuck all you lame women, I am not lame so in fact I really belong to the "better" team.
This is why I have no sympathy for FTMs.
 
Not sure if this subreddit has been mentioned before, but r/TransLater is a full on freak show. Most of these people look dead inside, and these are their best pictures, usually taken after years of HRT and surgeries. Literally any post is hilarious but I put my favorites here:


This looks like something that would be used in a news article about a serial killer. Jesus christ.
That second one is using a server rack as furniture in its hoard :story:
 
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Why would females even participate in sports where they can't win? Even games for the "fun" of it, like team sports, will have a greater risk of injury. They'll always be a subpar player. So you're not only going to have trans dominating many sports, but female participation and skill levels will reduce.

Why I do think visible things like the destruction of the female sport will reach a point that it can't be denied as unfair. How will the conversation after then go, "well, we gave it a shot. Time to take back those rights." It's actually going to be really challenging and there'll still be a lot of opposition.

I used to think unfortunately you may need to let the travesty happen, but I'm not so sure now. I think this is viewing what is going on with the pretence of what it is actually about. They pretend that it's just about being fairer etc. So then after we all see it's unfair, we rebalance woman's sport for cis woman. Yet critical consciousness and the critical theories driving all this woke stuff stems from the notion that societies cultures and institutions need to be torn down so a socialist utopia can rise from the ashes. That's where these ideologies come from, it's the purpose for which they were thought up.

So letting them succeed with woman's sport, may not be a good idea. How entrenched will this stuff be by then? Or will common sense just prevail and eventually people stop all this woke shit? I don't know. Hopefully, people start to see when it's only still a small issue in sport.
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For those wondering about Petrelli's room, here's another pic he posted earlier
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The lipstick video (posted earlier) shows a messy sort of storage rack behind him when he's sitting at his desk.
God dammit bulbasaur, you guys know this shit sets off my autism.
The messy storage rack in the background of the lipstick video is a wire cube organizer. I'd even be willing to bet it's this specific one: Amazon Basics 6 Cube Grid Wire Storage Shelves, White
Wire cube setups like that can be great for closet organization, but I wouldn't recommend them for general room-space as they're literally just wire squares held together with bits of plastic.
As for the room as a whole, this man has no one to blame but himself.
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I'll take my puzzle pieces now.
 
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Do you think is it possible that there will be a possible pushback to this trans movement in the future? This thread depress me than anything else.. pitiful people.

I do not mind people expressing themselves or getting body modifications (as long as they can accept the risk - and it should never be covered as neccesary or framed through lies). But at this time, from troons in women's sports, questionable Biden's health minister, and growing number of lonely, isolated people bought into a heavily-marketed bodily-destructing decision... it just seems like a snowball with no way to stop. Like the opiate epidemics or how smoking was suggested by doctors of the age past, but now it is your 'real, authentic self!' that's also a protected class.

This paper has already posted on the GRS surgery thread but it's still worth a read for people here. The initial trans surgeries framed itself as more of a 1. Medical experimentation, the first happened in Weimar era where the extreme acceptance of sexual experimentation were pushed to the limit. 2. To castrate people's with sexual issues as deemed at the time, not because they really believed they could turn a man into a woman. It became that way I assumed, because lying to patients is an easier way to deal with them to just done away with society 'undesirables' while reaping the profits of life long medical patients, while troons are happy that they've got their wish by their lack of understanding of anatomy. Since then the idea of gender identity has become reified into reality and it's becoming more authoritarianistic - I wonder if it could ever be stopped.

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A lot of people know that troons shit is pure delusion - but of course we can't really say that in public place anymore. If you've ever seen Hypernormalization documentary by Adam Curtis, it's that feeling of things being.. fake but people just take it as normal. Call me tinfoil-hatter but to me this whole thing just seem like human experiment project people at the top don't really care about, it just makes money.

P.S. It grinds my gears to see troons in medical/biological science field getting celebrated. Barbara/Ben Barres, and now Richard/Rachel Levine. - A big disgrace.
 
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Interesting. This thread actually cheers me up. Meanwhile you're going to the surgeries thread, which I can't visit because it's too dark for me.

The pushback is here, it's just complicated. I don't think we're through the worst of it, but we're getting close. I said this before, I don't remember if it was this thread or a different one, but the only way out is through. The time is here to just let them be their fucked up selves until everyone has had a chance to see.

The thing I take hope from is how many LGB people are commenting here. The Ts are losing their closest allies, and don't even really realize it yet.
I don't think the Ts care. Billionaires are pouring money behind their cause, buying their way into governments and political groups throughout the "first world" countries. Too many industries want to push the troon agenda, so they don't "need" the LGB folks... in fact, they want the LGB folks to butcher themselves to fit their "gender" according to sexist stereotypes.
 
God she's insufferable. I had to skip through the two minutes of confession about "his" superior privilege in which she name-checked all the BIPOC and non-conforming and everyone who is somehow more disadvantaged than a "straight white seemingly-cis guy"... yeah yeah, gotta recite the liturgy first, I get it, but I'll spare myself the pain, thanks.

What really makes me MOTI is someone who actually understands existing in the world as a woman and how much misogyny women face, and ostensibly is "calling it out" ...while simultaneously having decided, fuck all you lame women, I am not lame so in fact I really belong to the "better" team.
Your last paragraph explains exactly why we don't want transmen in our circles. We'll give them a shot because we don't view them as a threat in any way, but if it turns into Jackson scolding us for our jokes and turning a hangout into some vaguely feminist 'calling out' session, they're getting disinvited from the group quickly. Also, they're going to need to be okay with some good natured ball busting, some of which will be about them being trans. Sorry, the elephant in the room gets acknowledged in male circles.

Men don't fear them, but we are wary.
 
I don't think the Ts care. Billionaires are pouring money behind their cause, buying their way into governments and political groups throughout the "first world" countries. Too many industries want to push the troon agenda, so they don't "need" the LGB folks... in fact, they want the LGB folks to butcher themselves to fit their "gender" according to sexist stereotypes.

Let's be honest here - there has been zero real regulator pushback on plastic surgery abuse and crappy plastic surgery. As long as the medical industry is making money on this, it will continue. These surgeries, like most plastic surgery, is a perfect racket - they need multiple revisions and likely additional surgeries later on to replace implants. The average MtF seems to have 6-8 surgeries.

Then you have the hormones. In addition to the actual hormones, there are the lab tests and doctor visits to monitor levels.

Let's also add the cottage industries such as vocal coaches and stores that cater to extreme shoe sizes and extra tall clothing. (Though the women who have big feet or are super tall do benefit from that.)

If they treated this as a mental illness, far fewer people would make money off of it.
 
Do you think is it possible that there will be a possible pushback to this trans movement in the future? This thread depress me than anything else.. pitiful people.

I do not mind people expressing themselves or getting body modifications (as long as they can accept the risk - and it should never be covered as neccesary or framed through lies). But at this time, from troons in women's sports, questionable Biden's health minister, and growing number of lonely, isolated people bought into a heavily-marketed bodily-destructing decision... it just seems like a snowball with no way to stop. Like the opiate epidemics or how smoking was suggested by doctors of the age past, but now it is your 'real, authentic self!' that's also a protected class.

This paper has already posted on the GRS surgery thread but it's still worth a read for people here. The initial trans surgeries framed itself as more of a 1. Medical experimentation, the first happened in Weimar era where the extreme acceptance of sexual experimentation were pushed to the limit. 2. To castrate people's with sexual issues as deemed at the time, not because they really believed they could turn a man into a woman. It became that way I assumed, because lying to patients is an easier way to deal with them to just done away with society 'undesirables' while reaping the profits of life long medical patients, while troons are happy that they've got their wish by their lack of understanding of anatomy. Since then the idea of gender identity has become reified into reality and it's becoming more authoritarianistic - I wonder if it could ever be stopped.

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A lot of people know that troons shit is pure delusion - but of course we can't really say that in public place anymore. If you've ever seen Hypernormalization documentary by Adam Curtis, it's that feeling of things being.. fake but people just take it as normal. Call me tinfoil-hatter but to me this whole thing just seem like human experiment project people at the top don't really care about, it just makes money.

P.S. It grinds my gears to see troons in medical/biological science field getting celebrated. Barbara/Ben Barres, and now Richard/Rachel Levine. - A big disgrace.

I think you'll see a turn eventually from a medical stand point. Gender identity will more rarely considered as in any way innate or ultimately biological in origin, and psycho-social forces will be better recognized which will stiffen things back up from a clinical perspective. I also think that as a consequence and similar forms of push back that FtM rates will come down a lot, not necessarily below where they were in say 1990 when FtMs were fairly exotic, but maybe down to the level of say 2004 or at worst 2010.

Troonism is girls, in my view, depends heavily on medical and socio-cultural legitimization which makes me hopeful. It's always worth noting that in most cases girls latch onto troonism as an answer to fairly generic problems, and often transitions are poorly or incoherently motivated. It would not be hard to suppress the phenomenon - if the will existed. As a corollary, I reckon 'non-binary' will die as a 'gender identity', even if it persists as a way of describing yourself though back in 2011 I distinctly remember thinking it was too dumb to catch on outside of niche subcultures, so maybe I'm wrong again.

I have very little faith that male troon rates will fall all that much. In my view, a materially prosperous, individualistic society, with universal internet access and with almost infinite access to pornography is probably fore-doomed to suffer the presence of a non-trivial number of troons. You could certainly do things to control the problem, but I doubt you'd ever see the political will - at least in the west - to do things like banning troon subs on reddit, or giving troon porn the CP treatment.

I doubt the women's sport invasion will get that far, it's unpopular enough in the west and my perception is that it's even less popular everywhere else. I don't think troon activists will figure out a way to crack that nut either.
 
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I think you'll see a turn eventually from a medical stand point. Gender identity will more rarely considered as in any way innate or ultimately biological in origin, and psycho-social forces will be better recognized which will stiffen things back up from a clinical perspective. I also think that as a consequence and similar forms of push back that FtM rates will come down a lot, not necessarily below where they were in say 1990 when FtMs were fairly exotic, but maybe down to the level of say 2004 or at worst 2010.

Troonism is girls, in my view, depends heavily on medical and socio-cultural legitimization which makes me hopeful. It's always worth noting that in most cases girls latch onto troonism as an answer to fairly generic problems, and often transitions are poorly or incoherently motivated. It would not be hard to suppress the phenomenon - if the will existed. As a corollary, I reckon 'non-binary' will die as a 'gender identity', even if it persists as a way of describing yourself though back in 2011 I distinctly remember thinking it was too dumb to catch on outside of niche subcultures, so maybe I'm wrong again.

I have very little faith that male troon rates will fall all that much. In my view, a materially prosperous, individualistic society, with universal internet access and with almost infinite access to pornography is probably fore-doomed to suffer the presence of a non-trivial number of troons. You could certainly do things to control the problem, but I doubt you'd ever see the political will - at least in the west - to do things like banning troon subs on reddit, or giving troon porn the CP treatment.

I doubt the women's sport invasion will get that far, it's unpopular enough in the west and my perception is that it's even less popular everywhere else. I don't think troon activists will figure out a way to crack that nut either.
To be fair, while I'm very gender critical myself - I'm not a radfem and I feel like male troons are sympathetic in their own way too. (I'm a woman though, just to say where my point of view came from) - Many isolated, bitter, angry men who became troons or incels are the result of alienation and individualism that has gone to far and left many men behind. Though if there's a medical pushback of gender ideology, as well as outlet for these people, the trooning rate will come down in both male and female. The number of extremely socially awkward men, some with serious past trauma who transitioned in the last few years that I've known of are pretty high. (As opposed to, effeminate gay men who wasn't accepted and pushed to 'present as women' that seem to be the majority of TIMs when I was young.)

The fetishtic wish of becoming opposite sex will remain in population though, but the issues of troons are largely how our society deal with people who have that feeling.

I sort of hope that after the initial pushback, gender ideology will be left as a quirk of 20-21st century 'science' like many other outdated medical superstitions of the past ages... but I don't know how long we've got to wait for this. I believe it'd be very different in the 2100s at least, but we'll have our version of bullshit in the future too.

Let's be honest here - there has been zero real regulator pushback on plastic surgery abuse and crappy plastic surgery. As long as the medical industry is making money on this, it will continue. These surgeries, like most plastic surgery, is a perfect racket - they need multiple revisions and likely additional surgeries later on to replace implants. The average MtF seems to have 6-8 surgeries.

Then you have the hormones. In addition to the actual hormones, there are the lab tests and doctor visits to monitor levels.

Let's also add the cottage industries such as vocal coaches and stores that cater to extreme shoe sizes and extra tall clothing. (Though the women who have big feet or are super tall do benefit from that.)

If they treated this as a mental illness, far fewer people would make money off of it.
This is exactly what I've been talking about, trans ideology, regardless if people at the top actually believe in it or not - is incredibly lucrative. Although I'd say that psychiatry and a lot of things that are treated as 'mental illness' now are also the way the system, medical complex and other cottage industries are making bank at the moment. Have you realised that in the last decade or so everyone just talked about how they're on some kind of meds and we're bombarded with awareness campaigns about how real mental illnesses are and drugs are the only way. (Many psychiatrists admitted that 'chemical imbalance' is mostly marketing) - It seems more like that a large swathe of current mental ills in people is environmental and societally generated. But of course people on top can't really address that because they're making money off this very system that are basically creating 'dysfunctional' people.

Troonism is just a result of it. - Sadly there's no easy way people could get out of this.


I think shit will hit the fan when detransition scandals become more public knowledge.

It is likely going to happen - though detransition scandals are going to be a rich cow-pasture of its own. I must admit that I feel genuinely sad for them... but I'm also very annoyed. A huge amount of detransitioners are just like troons who don't know concept of accountability, humility or genuine self acceptance... they'll just see themselves as sole victims while asking for gibs and media attention.
 
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Your last paragraph explains exactly why we don't want transmen in our circles. We'll give them a shot because we don't view them as a threat in any way, but if it turns into Jackson scolding us for our jokes and turning a hangout into some vaguely feminist 'calling out' session, they're getting disinvited from the group quickly. Also, they're going to need to be okay with some good natured ball busting, some of which will be about them being trans. Sorry, the elephant in the room gets acknowledged in male circles.

Men don't fear them, but we are wary.
What’s also aggravating about troons is everyone else feels the need to cater to their feelings too. I have heard a ‘friendly reminder’ about someone’s pronouns in real life (a biological female but who was on T and looked male but went by ‘they’). But the person themselves didn’t do any of that — just the handmaiden beforehand.
 
Do you think is it possible that there will be a possible pushback to this trans movement in the future? This thread depress me than anything else.. pitiful people.
I think we've hit a critical mass of troons already. Stories of Munchhausen parents, groomers in schools and medical institutions along with the cultish behaviour of the community at large are only going to shake the boat a little bit.

Perhaps the revelations would get a handful of people fired or investigated but they will always have more deluded troons than detransitioned dissenters, they'll continue to puppet around the true believers running perception management ops that will prevent the entire façade crumbling.
 
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