I think that's the majority of the successful PUA "students". Any man I ever knew who doesn't get laid at all is from not trying. Even if someone sucks at it, by constantly trying he gets more experienced and starts learning the right stuff to say and do. As long as he is not constantly shooting way above his league physically, almost anyone who keeps trying is bound to get laid.
I believe the major reason for lack of trying is either the fear of rejection or the fear of being seen (and characterized) as a creep or a weirdo by a woman. One of the things PUAs do is devaluing women - and by extension their opinions - in the eyes of their audience by dehumanizing them. If women and their opinions are worthless then PUA acolytes don't care how they are seen or what they are called which boosts their confidence and gets them to start trying.
Usually the reason they were afraid of women's opinions in the first place is that they were putting women on a pedestal which wasn't working so now that they are told that women are worthless they consider themselves "redpilled".
Pretty much what I just bolded. It's the fear of rejection(at least on my end) and being seen as a creep or weirdo by a woman(again, at least on my end). They see the shit and believe that it works. I don't watch any PUA videos and never saw Mystery's show, my sister did, but I only watched because we shared a tv together(g00d times, no really, I miss watching tv with my sister). That being said, I think the problem some of these guys and myself included is the whole 'putting pussy on a pedestal'/'putting women on a pedestal'. It's just the halo effect and getting to know a woman(especially if she's in the same social community niche, e.g. nerd community) if she's cool, then she's perfect in our eyes. But if she ends up not being what we thought initially then it comes crashing down.
Yeah, it's complicated in the mindset of an incel/loveshy/sluthater. But since I'm an 'incel' this is the best explanation I can offer.
I think a lot of sluthaters, much like Chris, think that having a girlfriend will give them perfect lives. They want a manic pixie dream girl and/or fuckmommy who'll do everything for them and fix all the problems they have. Thus, they're doomed to crash and burn anyways, even if they do get a girl.
This and mostly feeling 'normal' and part of society. I think for the most part is just eliminating the fear of not being seen as a weirdo because you don't have an SO or a virgin in your mid 20s-40s in general. This is going to sound autistic/trilby-ish/fedora-ish/love shy-ish and MRA-ish but the virgin stigma is FUCK tons harder on males nowadays than females. I joke a lot about wanting to own a fleshlight but I actually plan on buying just to say, 'Yeah, I only had sex once and that was that. After that I just went my own way'. It's not easy being the one guy who hasn't done the deed yet, but it can be embarassing to have your friends and peers find out. Though if you have cool and indifferent people in your life like I do, it won't matter. Not sure about the other shmucks, but I'll stick get a fleshlight just to be on the safe side.
I was just wondering what they themselves will say on it. I asked the same question to Fuckbot and he was genuinely confused and called me nuts for not understanding/caring about wanting a relationship. IceCat's was genuinely "I want woman because I want one" and couldn't come up with a reason beyond that. So I wanted to see what the rest of the pack of troglodytes have to say on it.
I'll admit. I don't know what I want in a girlfriend. Because I've had hardships for quite a while now, I'm still trying to figure myself out. I have a steady part time job and projects I'm working on and will be in school again next year. I may find time to date but I'm not very hopeful and especially in my state, combined with my looks. I know I don't have much to offer to a woman. While it saddens me and it brings me relief knowing that I have more money to myself and my Christmas bill won't be a total nightmare. Some of these guy want to feel human and normal as aforementioned. Some want to live out their missed high school/college dream of being a ladies man. Some want a girl to fuck without going through a 100 women in one night just for happy time. There's more but I don't want this to be an autistic essay, I know I'll autistic ratings for this anyway. But PM if you want more insight or theories fellow Kiwis.
