ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[Rekkington]

She's a pretty standard TERF, a strong feminist who believes trannies push women out of women's spaces, and sex is real and denying the differences erases identity and reality.
Honestly, I don't think her views are particularly radical (or wrong) and the only reason she's so controversial is because she is a best-selling author of a beloved children's series. She isn't even anti-trans so much as she is anti-stripping away what makes a woman a woman.
I think this quote from her blog really summarizes her viewpoints.

Source

Nice to see that at the center of this entire squabble is, as always, telling men to shut up forever and fuck off.

 

[Calculus]

I think this quote from her blog really summarizes her viewpoints.

But, as many women have said before me, ‘woman’ is not a costume. ‘Woman’ is not an idea in a man’s head. ‘Woman’ is not a pink brain, a liking for Jimmy Choos or any of the other sexist ideas now somehow touted as progressive. Moreover, the ‘inclusive’ language that calls female people ‘menstruators’ and ‘people with vulvas’ strikes many women as dehumanising and demeaning. I understand why trans activists consider this language to be appropriate and kind, but for those of us who’ve had degrading slurs spat at us by violent men, it’s not neutral, it’s hostile and alienating.

The first half of this quote is also in the video. Nick jokes about wanting to go shoe shopping and just ignores the later part about violent men.

 

[Johan Hulth]

Are there any Contra videos that don't look like an autogynephilic burlesque nightmare? Drench it in as much irony and self-deprecation as you like, it's all just faggy narcissism at the end of the day. That said the TERF-Troon war is hilarious, seeing as feminism is the mother node of so much idpol insanity. I think that to many intersectional SJWism looks like all stick and no carrot. However as Contra so consistently demonstrates, it does offer a hypersexual cultural code that must be somewhat enticing to your average horny zoomer.

 

[scathefire]

I've seen man hating women but I've never seen an homophobic terf, I've seen loads who are lesbians or straight ones standing up for gay people on twitter, especially when a TRA is trying to shame gay men or lesbians into relations with trans women. Or saying sex a preference and people are transphobic for not dating someone they are not attracted to.
I've seen one maybe two terfs threatening people but most are the ones being attracted with death and rape threats because they won't give into the trans cult.

They've essentially redefined homosexuality as "being attracted to the same gender, as in the gender that any given person identifies as". If you reject this definition and say "no actually, personal identification doesn't automatically change how people are attracted to you", whoops, you've just become a disgusting terf "genital fetishist" that deserves to burn in hell for all these people care. Congratulations on earning your "literally evil" badge for doing absolutely nothing that deviates from how any sane human would interact with basic reality.

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

See, problem is, the terf lot, as moronic as they are in other areas, are spot on most of the time when they come with knives for the troons, it makes the perfect foe for one another. And we get to sit back and take in the lovely bloodbath that they'll create whilst ripping each other to shreds.

I wish that most TERFs weren't cringy 35+ year old boomers that keep falling into the same traps that get them in the firing lines for easy Epik Le Meme takedowns from edgy 14 year olds. (Granted that happens even when they're totally right as a coping mechanism). When they're wrong, they're wrong. But when they're right they highlight big issues in the trans community themselves. Mostly that, even in a perfect world, a trans woman is literally not the same as a cis woman.

Also: Is there a long German word for when someone is this close to realising what's wrong with them and the very people they associate with, but just never seem to realise they're the baddies?

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The TE is good, the RF is the problem. The progress we have made against troons has been without feminists. Getting the UK high court to block troon hormones for under 16s last year was the big one because they can't groom kids anymore (at least not with any physical effect). We also got troons banned from women's rugby so it's 2-0 for 99%+ of the population here.

I'm starting to think the "Silent Overwhelming Majority" might be a good name for an anti-troon group.

 

[Alba gu brath]

I wish that most TERFs weren't cringy 35+ year old boomers that keep falling into the same traps that get them in the firing lines for easy Epik Le Meme takedowns from edgy 14 year olds. (Granted that happens even when they're totally right as a coping mechanism). When they're wrong, they're wrong. But when they're right they highlight big issues in the trans community themselves. Mostly that, even in a perfect world, a trans woman is literally not the same as a cis woman.

Also: Is there a long German word for when someone is this close to realising what's wrong with them and the very people they associate with, but just never seem to realise they're the baddies?

Issue there is, the terf types just aren't as savvy, or at least, the majority aren't, when it comes to interacting and fighting/deflecting and rebounding attacks. They're using normal social interactions to repel, whilst the trans crew are coming from a generation that's soaked up god knows how many years of knowledge within the internet. They know exactly what buttons to press for the sympathy angle. If that wasn't the case, then these maddo terfs would be steam rolling this fight, because really, it just comes down men pushing woman in, or men/a small group of lassies with major mental issues. In any other instance, the lassies would be getting the backing, but coat the pig up enough lipstick, and confuses ye olde lefties.

So, suffer the cringe of the terf, for they're* the only ones with the tools to fight back the tranny fools


Edit*

 

[Alba gu brath]

I've said for years (quietly, mostly to myself) that the biggest problem the terves have is PR. They're kind of a dour, serious bunch, which just doesn't go far with the youtube generation. Magdalen Berns was charismatic and funny, and much needed, so that was a big loss.

Speaking from the Scots side of things, there's been an ongoing fight with the SNP, with both the terfs and trannies hashing it out, seems the terfs are winning at the moment, because oh lordy, are the trannies ever pissed at good auld sturgeon, Warms the heart it does.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

More from Twitter:



No, he's not "having a different conversation", stop treating this deliberate media manipulator with velvet gloves. He is just another Kinesis, why do you think Asha is such a fan?* Nyk is actively trying to misrepresent the present public discourse on SJW TRAs to exploit the fact that Biden/Harris are aggressively pro-TRA to further isolate and demonize TERFs during an administration that agrees with such marginalizing and downplaying of issues brought up by TERFs.

* For those of you wondering who this @Hatpinwoman person is, she is the nemesis of Kinesis, the WuzzaGC trannie who ran the blog TransRational, who got TERFs to fund his trip to the UK to attend a friend's wedding (under the guise of meeting fellow TERFs while there), then dumped them all like a rock upon returning to the US. All of which drama I archived in the TERFs thread here on KF. I recommend this blog article, it was the absolute highlight summarizing the TransRational drama and how it all burned to the ground. For me this was the perfect example of how you can't purport to be "rational" and spend too much time around troons online. You will peaktrans eventually, and all of it will start to look like self-evident bullshit. The reason why AGPs like Kinesis, Bardfinn, etc. are such fans of Nyk (where you'd expect them to be crazy jealous) is because Nyk is getting away with what they only wish they could get away with but can't (for lack of money, lack of charisma, lack of education, lack of class demeanour, etc.) It's not that Nyk is less fucked up than these guys or somehow better than them, it's that he's getting away with it and that's the wink-wink amongst these narcissists that they acknowledge in one another. They go on and on about "dogwhistles", but their trans-LARP is their dogwhistle to other AGP narcissists like themselves. Go and read The Three Jesuses Of Ypsilanti, and you will see how this self-reinforcing mechanism works in these guys.

I also went over to https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical the refugee site the TERFs set up when they were booted off of Reddit during The Purge, and indeed, they are talking about Nyk's new video over at their own platform Ovarit:

Editor of a philosophy news website pushed Contrapoints' video as "insightul and entertaining"

Posted in o/GenderCritical by gender_is_oppression

www.ovarit.com

Here's what I was referring to when I said that gay people got homosexuality dropped from the DSM by showing that gay people weren't crazier than straight people, but trannies are crazier than either straights or gays by any objective measure:

Honestly, I don't think her views are particularly radical (or wrong)

The claim that JK Rowling is some radical TERF is the most ridiculous thing ever. JK Rowling is a lefty millionaire who totally supports ID-pol like trans rights and has trans friends. It's telling to me that JK Rowling sent a flower bouquet to Youtuber Rose of Dawn and not to some Youtube TERF. My guess, based on this friendly gesture towards Rose, is that JK Rowling is more likely to be truscum than a TERF, so a transmedicalist who believes that GD is a psychiatric issue and that people who suffer from diagnosed GD should be allowed to transition. I am guessing Rowling wrote that book because she disagrees with self-ID specifically - which TRAs insist is the same thing as outright transphobia, but that's just how desperate they are to pre-empt even the slightest tinge of legit criticism.

That just sounds completely deranged tbh, I've followed "TERFs" on r/GC (RIP), Tunglr and even Mumsnet, they are overwhelmingly pro-gay, nobody there would call all homosexuals pedophiles.

You wanna see the receipts of TERFs on Facebook insisting that all men including homosexual men are the literal scum of the earth? I can post them in the TERFs thread sometime. I am not gonna have that discussion here in the ContraPoints thread because this thread is about Nyk, not TERFs. For now, here's a bunch of feminists (including male feminists) talking about Valerie Solanas shooting Andy Warhol in that SCUM Manifesto thread on Facebook I referred to earlier:



(For any zoomers reading along, SCUM stands for "Society for Cutting Up Men".)

"She had schizophrenia. Not to say she was wrong to shoot him. He's a male, a gay male, so kind of guaranteed he was misogynistic as anything", so he deserved to be shot by a schizo according to feminists, including male feminists concurring with this sentiment.

Sure, there might be man-hating women on Facebook or whatever, but how are they the same TERFs as JKR or Magdalen or Mumsnet or any random person who doesn't approve of troons?

A lot of radical feminists who are also anti-trans (aka TERFs) are actively misandrist as part of their radical feminist practice. It's rarer to find a woman who is apolitically misandrist than to find a woman who is a misandrist using radical feminism to rationalize that misandry. Anyway, that's another discussion for the TERFs thread, not here.

Are there any Contra videos that don't look like an autogynephilic burlesque nightmare?

There used to be. Many of the Nykytyne2 videos as well as the early ContraPoints v 1.0 videos were Nyk just being an edgy adolescent uni student talking about all the stuff he was learning in school. The insanity you see today was already there back then, but at least he was trying to sound serious and earnest whenever he was talking about a more scholarly topic. It's just that the millions who are worshipping Nyk today never got to see those Nykytyne2 or early ContraPoints videos. For some reason Nyk thinks those videos were immensely worse than what he's putting out today.

 

[Radon Exposure Tea Partie]

That just sounds completely deranged tbh, I've followed "TERFs" on r/GC (RIP), Tunglr and even Mumsnet, they are overwhelmingly pro-gay, nobody there would call all homosexuals pedophiles. And sure, GC had a whole "no male posters" thing but was still full of heterosexual, married ladies same as mumsnet is.
This place same as troons sometimes seems to believe TERFs actually are some definable group (movement??) and is not just a word that gets thrown around for "women with opinions I don't like". Sure, there might be man-hating women on Facebook or whatever, but how are they the same TERFs as JKR or Magdalen or Mumsnet or any random person who doesn't approve of troons?

From what I've seen (on twitter, reddit, etc.) there seems to be two vague and overlapping groups within the label the TERF. They're not as much distinct groups as much as they are sides of a spectrum (I know how much you guys like spectrums). One side seems to be very calm with their views. They point out obvious flaws in trans logic and raise concerns for women. These TERFS make their argument, make their jokes, and snicker with each other about how delusional the male=brained narcissists are. The majority of TERFS seem to be closer to this description. The other side of the TERF spectrum are the rad-rad-radfems. Your typical pussy-worshipping, Andy Warhol-shooting female supremacists. For them, eliminating the threat of male serial rapists infiltrating their meetups in a misogynist dress and wig is just another facet of their schizo mindset.

https://youtu.be/7gDKbT_l2us?t=828

tr@ansphobes like harry potter lady are litrly hitler and innocent trans folx are being gunned down in the streets like it's nazi england /:

 

[How Do You Do Fellow Kids]

I wish that most TERFs weren't cringy 35+ year old boomers

This is honestly the biggest issue for terfs lmao
They're just COMPLETELY unprepared for online warfare due to demographics. Like, I genuinely cannot think of a demographic less suited to meme warfare with always-online autists than middle-aged women. Even leaving aside internet/tech literacy, everything they do is always gonna be uncool simple because they're going to remind people of their moms and moms are the opposite of cool. Whatever your mom likes, it's automatically uncool.
This is why this strange Kiwifarms/gendercritical overlap was such a huge boost to terfs. They caught attention from some new demographics who've been spreading their words to more online spaces. I never used to see terf arguments articulated anywhere but in explicitly radfem spaces, now you see them in almost every anti-woke space. Once this shit reaches a significant number of Gen Z girls, we'll start seeing much more effective terf propaganda.

 

[illhavetwo]

This is honestly the biggest issue for terfs lmao
They're just COMPLETELY unprepared for online warfare due to demographics. Like, I genuinely cannot think of a demographic less suited to meme warfare with always-online autists than middle-aged women. Even leaving aside internet/tech literacy, everything they do is always gonna be uncool simple because they're going to remind people of their moms and moms are the opposite of cool. Whatever your mom likes, it's automatically uncool.
This is why this strange Kiwifarms/gendercritical overlap was such a huge boost to terfs. They caught attention from some new demographics who've been spreading their words to more online spaces. I never used to see terf arguments articulated anywhere but in explicitly radfem spaces, now you see them in almost every anti-woke space. Once this shit reaches a significant number of Gen Z girls, we'll start seeing much more effective terf propaganda.

That's true regarding online warfare but in terms of real world activism, a contingent of older women is ideal. Making calls, writing letters, organizing meetings, donating money. Like a PTA mom but the T stands for troon. If Gen Z girls do start taking care of the online stuff then terves will become a formidable foe.

 

[Rekkington]

Why do we all need to have a special TERF name for this group of otherwise sensible people and we're not making up some goofy made-up term for the people who just showed up and are trying to ruin everything? We have thousands of years of one group doing their thing, and like 60 years of a bunch of bougie substance-abusing gay men/sex abusers trying to throw darts at it.

 

[Mr Pancakes]

Why do we all need to have a special TERF name for this group of otherwise sensible people and we're not making up some goofy made-up term for the people who just showed up and are trying to ruin everything? We have thousands of years of one group doing their thing, and like 60 years of a bunch of bougie substance-abusing gay men/sex abusers trying to throw darts at it.

Its because these days normal people are seen as the outsiders and oppressors and need to be demonised somehow. Its the degenerates who try to make themselves out as the underdogs and believe society needs to cater to their mental illness so they need to come up with bullshit terms to indicate to the woke masses who they should hate and attack.

 

[MormonMILF]

Source: Trust me bro

Now there's a bunch of replies saying "milf" and "are they wrong". Is this a habit of hers to just make something up te get positive attention?

 

[Rekkington]

Source: Trust me bro
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Now there's a bunch of replies saying "milf" and "are they wrong". Is this a habit of hers to just make something up te get positive attention?

We have now triangulated that dilf is the most hurtful insult for Nyk.

 

[Nuns with guns]

Oh boy, it's that time of the year when I post again here because Nyk uploaded a new video. As usual, it's always a pleasure reading all of your responses, especially @Nykysnottrans, who proves again to be a tranny encyclopedia.

I don't have much to say about the video itself because I didn't watch it, as soon as I saw the thumbnail I rolles my eyes and came here. Not only is it an outdated topic now, but the fact that he somehow manages to squeeze 90 minutes out of this is baffling. Now, there a few (really select) youtubers I like, and whenever they have a long upload it's seen as a treat, but usually because those videos are well thought or at least they manage to entertain you for long. Contrapoints has become a caricature of his former self and it's really annoying to see him talk anymore. I think his violence video was not as awful as the last one I saw, which was another one where he complained about the terven (probably an old upload by now, I can't remember when it was). The lavish style, the annoying lights and his awful, cringey way of talking and acting make it a pain to sit through. I wouldn't be surprised if some of his loyal fans skipped this one or only watched the first half. The worst thing is, I don't think it takes real skill to keep you interested for 90 minutes. Any retard can do it, and most awful movies even manage to do so. He's got a team working with him and his old uploads weren't as awful as these, so it really just shows how much charisma he's lost. He's no longer the weird crossdresser that can sometimes come off as relatable, but as a series of pathetic drag costumes.

Now, in other matters, I have stated before here on the farms that I don't think there are “real” trannies, in the sense that believing their delusion should be ever preferred to them accepting the fact that they're male. Even the few and dying HSTS old school trannies struck me as fetishists, driven by their impulse to trick men or any sexual fantasies driven by being perceived as female. I used to think young ftms were the exception to this, but the fujos keep proving me wrong. I'm probably biased. I grew up in a neighborhood where a HSTS with fake bolt ons would flash men, even teenage boys, and then urge them to flash back too. All the transsexuals I knew had similar fantasies or delusions. The trans lifestyle is never healthy.

Also, regarding TERFs, I have to say I feel a lot of sympathy towards radical feminists, but I disagree with a lot of the activism, or leftist activism as a whole. I have seen radfems that hate gay men, and call them slurs as an ultra woke move. That's an issue with leftist politics as a whole, having moderate views makes you a weak liberal, and the more radical you are the better you come off. That's why you see them sprouting even more delusional bullshit, full of academic buzzwords that they themselves have no idea what they mean. Radical feminists are not exempt from this, hell, there are plenty of young women in circles I know that swear they are political lesbians now.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

I've said for years (quietly, mostly to myself) that the biggest problem the terves have is PR. They're kind of a dour, serious bunch, which just doesn't go far with the youtube generation. Magdalen Berns was charismatic and funny, and much needed, so that was a big loss.

This is honestly the biggest issue for terfs lmao
They're just COMPLETELY unprepared for online warfare due to demographics. Like, I genuinely cannot think of a demographic less suited to meme warfare with always-online autists than middle-aged women. Even leaving aside internet/tech literacy, everything they do is always gonna be uncool simple because they're going to remind people of their moms and moms are the opposite of cool. Whatever your mom likes, it's automatically uncool.
This is why this strange Kiwifarms/gendercritical overlap was such a huge boost to terfs. They caught attention from some new demographics who've been spreading their words to more online spaces. I never used to see terf arguments articulated anywhere but in explicitly radfem spaces, now you see them in almost every anti-woke space. Once this shit reaches a significant number of Gen Z girls, we'll start seeing much more effective terf propaganda.

While this can be a problem it's really not the whole story. "TERF" means absolutely nothing. Any woman (and some men) who doesn't 100% agree with the trans cult is immediately branded with the label, doubly so if you stick up for women in even the most minor way (i.e, women should have private spaces). That is all it takes, whether or not you are a feminist, let alone a radical feminist, or if you have personal tranny-related experiences (yourself or with others). "TERFs" are not and never will be a coherent group, because as they're conceived they don't really exist. This subgroup of Valerie Solanas adoring women who want to "kill all men" is vanishingly small, limited to insular online groups and nobody takes them seriously. They're also not a threat irl, much less so than any angry AGP. In addition, my experience in the UK is that most normie women (including a large amount of teens) would get branded terves by the kinds of people who use the word unironically. Men and teenage boys not liking troons goes without saying but they're generally let off the hook.

The trans debate is obviously most heated amongst the terminally online. However "meme wars" amongst Twitter and Reddit NEETs don't do much where it counts. Keira Bell's recent case is a good example of that, with the very real consequence that "puberty blockers" are now not being handed out like candy to vulnerable kids. 100 skirts-go-spinny can't change that. The US may be a different matter with the Biden administration.

People rag on 40+ year old women and "Karens" for being out of touch, but any well adjusted adult woman who makes some cringe "womyn = adult human female" videos on the weekend is better in my book than the kinds of Kevin Gibes-esque Twitter creatures that command lots of attention and asspats. Then of course figures like ContraPoints are simply trendy and palatable to edgy teens. Trans ideology is heavily focused on aesthetics and others' perceptions, so it is naturally a hit with young people who want to fit in somewhere.
TERFs are a bogeyman and hoping they will improve their optics is a waste of time. It doesn't matter if you are cool and hip. I think it matters more that children aren't allowed access to dangerous medications and fetishists aren't given access to female spaces. Strip away all of the posturing and competition ("I'm right and you're wrong") and you are left with what the real problems are, and they aren't anything to do with YouTube millionaires pondering the definition of "woman" in a bath of milk and neon lighting, but real peoples' lives.

 

[Calculus]

Time for some more sums.

Large credits: (10 per page x 56 pages ) + 9 more = 569
Small credits: (20 per page x 47 page) + 26 more = 966
Other: 13,387 patrons - (569 + 966) = 12,818

Large credits: 596 x $20 = $11,920
Small credits: 966 x $10 = $9,660
Other: 12,818 x $2* = $25,636

TOTAL: $47,216 per month (minimum) or $566,592 per year

Nick made 5 videos in the past year, assuming this year is the same, that's $113,318.40 per video

* This assumes no one is donating less than the minimum tier.

Not including Patreon fees, taxes, etc.

 

[Pencilvester]

"TERF" means absolutely nothing.

In my mind "TERFs" are people opposed to The Trans Menace because it's bad for women/feminism. This is to distinguish them from the other major anti-Trans groups, Parents concerned about their kids becoming Trans. The Parents make much more effective advocates because they tend to be otherwise apolitical people with worries like "My child wants to sterilize herself because of Tumblr." TERFs are less effective because they only appeal to already convinced feminists.

The most effective advocates are detransitioners. Once there's a critical mass of them I think we'll see a sea-change with regard to transgender issues.