SJW Art and Extremes

[Meowthkip]

The more common view is "You can like problematic things, but you have to acknowledge it!!" but they seem to expect everyone to bring them up all the time.

Well, how is anybody supposed to know you aren't acknowledging it if you don't talk about it all the time?

This reminds me of something that has always made me uncomfortable about the SJW fetishization of PoC and "plus-size" figures, especially when they intersect.

Before I discovered SJWs, it was the white supremacists and other anti-black (Afrophobic?) racists whom I really butted heads with. They had a grand old time with the fact that today's obesity pandemic has hit African-Americans and other racial minorities even harder than white people, declaring that black women were inherently ugly and undesirable because they were disproportionately overweight. Many of them even claimed this trend was triggering black men to leave black women behind and date interracially. This actually isn't a new stereotype though; there is a history of black women being portrayed as overweight and sexually unattractive in racist caricatures (e.g. the so-called "Mammy" or "Precious" stereotype). Knowing that history and seeing that rhetoric still being pushed in this day and age, I must admit I feel a bit unsettled when I see SJWs pushing fat acceptance ideology onto black women.

I don't think it's done consciously, if we're being fair. The thought process is probably like "woman = oppressed, black = oppressed, fat = oppressed, therefore fat + black + woman = REPRESENTATIONAL GOLD!" without thinking of how such fetishism might be perceived.

Keep in mind, the career SJWs who crow the loudest are often upper or upper middle class. Even if they aren't white, they're still coming from a position of privilege and will usually only talk about class when it's in relation to race. There's a reason you don't see many Tumblrs talking about meth addiction or obesity in rural white communities. It's pretty much all centered on the urban poor and single mothers, which means they push fat activism on black women probably more than anybody else, even if most fat activists I've seen are white.

So there's that.

That's a good question. Callhoun from Wreck-It-Ralph gets more flack for her outfit by these guys for having a thin waist, boobplate and having make-up on. Also that Raiden (Metal Gear Solid) can have high-heel boots, but Bayonetta can't even though both of them use their heels for battle (Raiden uses them to hold his sword when he needs his hands).

The fact that this lady is bitching about an animated character that is a video game character within the context of the film she's in not conforming to her standards of what video game women should look like is just another layer to add to the "you're just looking for a reason to bitch, aren't you?" cake.

 

[Hummingbird]

The logic goes that magical girl shows are inherently feminist because they have primarily female casts in positions of power, and are written for little girls to have a diverse set of role models. Any critical thinking about an individual show is not necessary, because all magical girl shows are feminist, and all for the same reasons that can be regurgitated verbatim.

I believe this line of thinking was birthed from weeb feminists who were still obsessed with Sailor Moon and trying very, very hard to uphold it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. While this demographic's love for that show is not unjustified - it was written by a woman, genuinely has diverse characters, and includes plentiful LGBT representation - most other magical girl shows really have no leg to stand on in regards to social issues, exposing these "feminists" as womanchildren in denial.

In fact, the subject of adoration in the post above is among the most egregious examples. Madoka Magica was explicitly written for the adult male periphery audience (think bronies), featuring a cast of teen girls with very flat personalities that constantly act like kicked puppies because the poor little waifus can't do anything for themselves. The creator is male and evidently incapable of writing women as people. It's exactly the opposite of what they want, but it's dark and edgy and has pretty colors, and that's really all that matters.



...It doesn't really speak well of you that you're looking at sparkly silhouettes and thinking "child porn".

When you think about it, magical girl animes tend to be very hetero with boy-crazy characters, in the Dark Moon saga, Serena/Usagii just let her boyfriend treat her like crap (though he felt bad about it) and didn't stand up to him; Tuxedo Mask has to often save them or at least give words of encouragement to help them, Queen Beryl relied on men to do her bidding, etc.

 

[Meowthkip]

Now, admittedly I've never read Red Sonja, but I don't recall her ever posing like she should be holding a purse with a teacup chihuahua in it.

 

[c-no]

Now, admittedly I've never read Red Sonja, but I don't recall her ever posing like she should be holding a purse with a teacup chihuahua in it.

Considering how they bring up a contrast, the one on the left looks like it was either from fan-art or something mean't to satirize chain-mail bikinis. Doing a quick google search, I can say the images do have female barbarians that aren't in full on seductive poses compared to the ones that might look like fap material in the eyes of this tumblr.

 

[Hummingbird]

I've noticed some other sacred cows in the SJW art world...

-If you're going to brag and admire female booty, Squirrel Girl (mainly Erica Henderson's version) is the exception.
-Hayao Miyazaki (this also applies to a chunk of the anime community)
-Sure Stjepan Sejic's "Sunstone" series is lesbian BDSM fetish work (and he's a white, straight CIS male), but he and his overall work gets a pass. Because he's said somethings about critiquing problamatic female outfits.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

Now, admittedly I've never read Red Sonja, but I don't recall her ever posing like she should be holding a purse with a teacup chihuahua in it.

Of course, if they did make a female character like the one on the right, they'd still complain. After all, she's topless, and men could still potentially find her attractive. These people won't be satisfied until every female character is wearing a fucking burqa.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Of course, if they did make a female character like the one on the right, they'd still complain. After all, she's topless, and men could still potentially find her attractive. These people won't be satisfied until every female character is wearing a fucking burqa.

You can still see the eyes through the burqa. That might turn somebody on. SJWs won't stop until women are covered so much you can't see anything.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

You can still see the eyes through the burqa. That might turn somebody on. SJWs won't stop until women are covered so much you can't see anything.

I meant the kind that has sort of a mesh covering the eyes. That way, none of those ebil men can notice if a woman has pretty eyes. SJWs will only be happy when all women look like formless blobs.

 

[Meowthkip]

Of course, if they did make a female character like the one on the right, they'd still complain. After all, she's topless, and men could still potentially find her attractive. These people won't be satisfied until every female character is wearing a fucking burqa.

No, see, she's threatening and manly! But wait, then she'd be in the "man with boobs" trope.

Dang.

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

I've noticed some other sacred cows in the SJW art world...

-If you're going to brag and admire female booty, Squirrel Girl (mainly Erica Henderson's version) is the exception.
-Hayao Miyazaki (this also applies to a chunk of the anime community)
-Sure Stjepan Sejic's "Sunstone" series is lesbian BDSM fetish work (and he's a white, straight CIS male), but he and his overall work gets a pass. Because he's said somethings about critiquing problamatic female outfits.

I've only seen the Miyazaki thing during the whole "ANIME WAS A MISTAKE/ALL OTAKU ARE SCUM" trend.
I'd like to know more about the other 2.

 

[Slurms McCorgi]

I've only seen the Miyazaki thing during the whole "ANIME WAS A MISTAKE/ALL OTAKU ARE SCUM" trend.
I'd like to know more about the other 2.

(edit: curse these stupid fingers)

During the Big Hero 6/Frozen sameface drama, people defended Studio Ghibli's recycled character designs and actually encouraged others to patronize Ghibli because of them.

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

(edit: curse these stupid fingers)

During the Big Hero 6/Frozen sameface drama people defended Studio Ghibli's recycled character designs and actually encouraged others to patronize Ghibli because of them.

http://susiron.tumblr.com/post/90307214541/hmmmbrilee-frozenmusings
I found something.
It's okay if Ghibli does it!! Feminism!!
And I thought Dreamworks fans were insufferable

 

[A Random]

The Squirrel Girl thing can be seen here.

 

[Hummingbird]

I've only seen the Miyazaki thing during the whole "ANIME WAS A MISTAKE/ALL OTAKU ARE SCUM" trend.
I'd like to know more about the other 2.

-Squirrel Girl's booty has been praised (it's near the end) by SJW artists like Kate Leth.
-As for Sejic, he can make some good points, but in the end I'm surprised they're letting his work off. All the Sunstone women are thin and pretty (and have the same face), their bondage gear and leather outfits are very sexual and could easily attract the male gaze, men like lipstick lesbians and women being seduced and dominated (for a while Ally had a male dom). Given how you can pick and twist anything these days of course.

 

[HoloSkull]

(edit: curse these stupid fingers)

During the Big Hero 6/Frozen sameface drama people defended Studio Ghibli's recycled character designs and actually encouraged others to patronize Ghibli because of them.

You know the messed up thing about the head animator of Frozen saying female characters are hard to animate. Is that I can totally see the limitations of the Disney house style conflicting with a huge crew of character animators. You're trying to wrangle all these people to animate consistently well. Is the head character animator in charge of character design? No, he's not - and if western animators had a little more leeway in the design process I don't think they would put up with it. But who am I kidding animators today are no better than assembly line workers to many studios.

Funny thing 'bout Miyazaki is he doesn't draw womyn because of feminism he draws 'em cause he likes them more.

 

[A.Shitposter]

The Squirrel Girl thing can be seen here.

Christ plebcomics is just as annoying as the people she makes fun of.

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

Is this Frazetta a sacred cow too? Gingerhaze is one the more "famous" tumblr artists like Kate Leth.

 

[c-no]

Is this Frazetta a sacred cow too? Gingerhaze is one the more "famous" tumblr artists like Kate Leth.

As far as Frazettas work goes, as much as one might say sexism, wasn't their some sort of undertone to the works he made? As for racism, does this person even have an example? If it's saying "Oh Frazetta didn't like black people back in the 1950's" one could be sure he had enough time to change his views much like other people as time passed on.

 

[AnOminous]

Is this Frazetta a sacred cow too? Gingerhaze is one the more "famous" tumblr artists like Kate Leth.

Well she writes like a slightly dim 12 year old.

 

[Melancholic_Cowboy]

I'll admit. I enjoy me some Studio Ghibli films, but he does have a tendency to draw very similar faces for teenage/young adult characters. His old people are also very stylistically similar, as well (and boy does he seem to love animating old people... and water... and flying...).

As for, Squirrel Girl... holy shit! What are we? 12-years-old?