Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Not surprising. Under Disney they got used to a somewhat clumsy Luke that always failed or needed his friends, stronk women or dumb luck to get by, and struggling whenever such elements weren't around to bail him out. So seeing something close to pre-Disney Luke in the Mando was probably a slap in the face for them. Too bad Mando season 3 is apparently gonna be pure sequel wank, thus destroying any hope for those who thought it would retcon the nucanon, which I doubted but whatever.

They see original Luke as upholding the patriarchy. They need to establish his greatness was not earned. Creative decisions are not made on what is good, it's about what supports the agenda of ending oppression in society. If they devalue Luke, they devalue his role in upholding oppression in society. It's all propaganda.

I don't understand how their ideology works, but it is this manifesting.
 
They see original Luke as upholding the patriarchy. They need to establish his greatness was not earned. Creative decisions are not made on what is good, it's about what supports the agenda of ending oppression in society. If they devalue Luke, they devalue his role in upholding oppression in society. It's all propaganda.

I don't understand how their ideology works, but it is this manifesting.

I'm extremely curious to have it explained how Luke fucking Skywalker's greatness is unearned.
 
They see original Luke as upholding the patriarchy. They need to establish his greatness was not earned. Creative decisions are not made on what is good, it's about what supports the agenda of ending oppression in society. If they devalue Luke, they devalue his role in upholding oppression in society. It's all propaganda.

I don't understand how their ideology works, but it is this manifesting.
Read Lois Tyson's textbook on Critical Race Theory. It's basically Mein Kampf for Woketards.
 
Interesting. Are we talking about tard-wrangled, DS9-era "It's Only a Paper Moon" Ron Moore here, or unfiltered, NuBSG-era "The Captain's Hand" Ron Moore? 🤔
Moore was hired by Lucas specifically because of his success with Battlestar Galactica, so I would presume the latter.

God, I do miss the Yuuzhan Vong and their wonderful cast of weirdos. That moment where the devout and introspective Czulkang Lah realizes that he's been fatally outmaneuvered by the GFFA and takes a quiet last moment to say goodbye to his (brutal and ruthless) son via villip just before his flagship is destroyed still gets me every time...
Those scenes in Enemy Lines between Czulkang and his son were fantastic, and easily my favorite parts of the book. Stuff like that, the bitter spat between Vua Rapung and Mazan Kwaad in Edge of Victory, Nom Anor's plotting, and Nen Yim's redemptive journey is the reason why I love the Vong so much. They didn't feel like the monster-of-the-week villains from the Bantam Era...they were people. Characters steeped in the vile religion and culture, certainly, but with different personal motives and even personal loyalties. There was legit drama going on between them, far away from the heroes, and often being resolved without the need for major characters like Luke Skywalker or Jacen Solo.

It's one of the reasons why I was so disinterested in the Killiks when I got around to Dark Nest, because there was no cast of memorable villains among the bugs, with their bland and woefully uninteresting hive mind.

I'm pleased to say that FOTJ so far appears to be a return to form, with the Lost Tribe of the Sith providing some more interesting culture and characters like Vestara Khai. And from their designs alone, I feel like I'm going to be equally enamored with the Members of the One Sith in the Legacy comics.

It's a fucking shame that we used to have a literal cast of characters making up the villains in Star Wars, whereas nowadays Disney/LFL can barely muster one.
 
Read Lois Tyson's textbook on Critical Race Theory. It's basically Mein Kampf for Woketards.
To see so many people approve of such filth really destroys my faith in humanity.
I'm extremely curious to have it explained how Luke fucking Skywalker's greatness is unearned.
The whole OT is mostly a story about how his greatness IS earned all the way through. And they want to reverse that to satisfy their petty hatred of men, to destroy the legacy of a character that they make money off from? It really is more disgusting and filthy than anything Bayformers did. All the latter did was add sex jokes and crude humor to a formula that was all about showing how cool the main cast were, they didn't take Optimus Prime and shit on him. And people at the time when Bayformers came out actually thought that was the worst cinema can cough up. Boy, oh boy, do those people have so much egg on their face now.

Einstein once said that there are only two things that were infinite in his eyes: the universe, and human stupidity. And he wasn't so sure about the universe. Now we know what he was talking about.
They see original Luke as upholding the patriarchy. They need to establish his greatness was not earned. Creative decisions are not made on what is good, it's about what supports the agenda of ending oppression in society. If they devalue Luke, they devalue his role in upholding oppression in society. It's all propaganda.

I don't understand how their ideology works, but it is this manifesting.
Yes, because having a nice guy who was all about protecting his friends is upholding the patriarchy. Which just goes to show you how lost these people are. Instead of just mooching off from how popular Luke is, and how they can just build their own characters using that as a foundation (ie. have Luke's best disciple be a woman and have her be his legacy and his gift to the world) they have to shit on Luke Skywalker, the character who basically was the main man of this saga that they wasted billions of dollars buying and millions more to make movies out of.
 
I'm extremely curious to have it explained how Luke fucking Skywalker's greatness is unearned.

People indoctrinated in critical theory see everything in society about withholding power structures of oppression. Unless you're of critical consciousness (woke), you are unwittingly a tool of upholding that oppression. They even go so far as thinking people who aren't woke have a false consciousness. They unwittingly think and act to uphold the systems of oppression. Their opinions, views, works and actions all do this. Even if they think they are not. It's why the woke think they're the guardians of truth and the only ones able to have power and freedom to speak.

They look at everything through the eye of how it upholds the oppression, by believing everything is part of the system. Viewing it mainly by race and gender.

They would consider the original trilogy as part of the system of reinforcing oppression in society. Its main hero is a white male. They would assume it is a manifestation of George Lucas' false consciousness and part of upholding the system of oppression by presenting a white male as the hero.

In a sense, they would consider Star Wars to be propaganda to indoctrinate people in the ways of oppression. How culture partakes in constructing their false consciousness, seeing white males as heroic figures. So their role in controlling Star Wars is now to undo that "propaganda." By reframing the original work. Luke was a false hero. Whatever perception you had of him from the original films was wrong. He's a scared coward whose first instinct is to kill his nephew and to run away and be a coward. He is not a hero. He was only made a hero in the original theory by the false consciousness of George working to uphold the systems of oppression. Therefore it was never earned as a character. It was just given to him.

It's why all this woke stuff is so destructive when it gets over existing franchises. When it's something of no influence, they can cancel it. If it's still significance, its power they can use to try and undo the narratives in society that uphold oppression. They get to do a new Terminator film. John Conner is a male hero. So he's killed and replaced by a tiny woman. Arnolds character is needed for the film to have power. So they make his Terminator less masculine. He's a drapes salesman.

The ironic part of this is because they misunderstand society and people. They end up recreating their version of oppression and false consciousness they are meant to be against. The progress of gender and race rights of the last few centuries shows their assumption on society was wrong. Yet as they think that is how the world works, they're wanting to create it for their own agenda.

So that is why they make cartoons of the original films, where Luke is a spaz. Which is why bringing Luke back as a hero is such a problem for them.
 
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If you're going to post the sexiest character in the entire franchise at least use her bikini shots
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you know what would have really helped sell sequel toys?

if the characters ever actually changed their outfits throughout the whole thing.

even soyboys can only buy so many duplicates of rey, poe, fin, kylo and phasma.
Haha, that's a good point. When I was a kid I had about 6 or 7 different Luke action figures, maybe more.

ANH Tatooine luke
Hoth Luke
Bespin Luke (with detachable hand)
Cool yellow jacket Luke
ROTJ Luke
Stormtrooper Luke (helmet removable)
Shadows of the Empire Luke
X-Wing flight suit Luke

And that's just one character. Apparently there was also a Dark Empire Luke Skywalker figure. That would have been badass to have
 
Haha, that's a good point. When I was a kid I had about 6 or 7 different Luke action figures, maybe more.

ANH Tatooine luke
Hoth Luke
Bespin Luke (with detachable hand)
Cool yellow jacket Luke
ROTJ Luke
Stormtrooper Luke (helmet removable)
Shadows of the Empire Luke
X-Wing flight suit Luke

And that's just one character. Apparently there was also a Dark Empire Luke Skywalker figure. That would have been badass to have

exactly. correct me if i am wrong but the only real change in the sequel trilogy was rey having a different hairstyle in TLJ? then they went straight back to TFA look in TROS.

back in the day, you had like tattooine luke, stormtrooper luke, x-wing pilot luke and yellow jacket luke just for ANH alone. Even han had two different outfits in ESB (Hoth and Leather Jacket on Cloud City)
 
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exactly. correct me if i am wrong but the only real change in the sequel trilogy was rey having a different hairstyle in TLJ? then they went straight back to TFA look in TROS.

back in the day, you had like tattooine luke, stormtrooper luke, x-wing pilot luke and yellow jacket luke just for ANH alone. Even han had two different outfits in ESB (Hoth and Leather Jacket on Cloud City)
the costume designers at Disney can't quite grasp the star wars aesthetic, so when they manage to create a barely passable imitation of the style the characters end up wearing it for an entire movie.
Rey's only real costume change over the entire sequel trilogy was the color of her robes (which made no sense to continue wearing after leaving not!Tatooine, it would be like Luke spending the entire original trilogy in his farmboy outfit) and a progressively growing forehead
 
the costume designers at Disney can't quite grasp the star wars aesthetic, so when they manage to create a barely passable imitation of the style the characters end up wearing it for an entire movie.
Rey's only real costume change over the entire sequel trilogy was the color of her robes (which made no sense to continue wearing after leaving not!Tatooine, it would be like Luke spending the entire original trilogy in his farmboy outfit) and a progressively growing forehead

If they change her outfit, they'd be accused of sexualizing her and making her just another "girl's toy".

This is one of the big problems I have with people who are clearly not fans arriving to "woke" a series. They don't get it, the only things they are really fans of is their egos and ideology.
They should just make their own fucking media, but they don't know how to make anything that's actually entertaining. They only know how to 'deconstruct'; to tear down and destroy.
 
If they change her outfit, they'd be accused of sexualizing her and making her just another "girl's toy".

This is one of the big problems I have with people who are clearly not fans arriving to "woke" a series. They don't get it, the only things they are really fans of is their egos and ideology.
They should just make their own fucking media, but they don't know how to make anything that's actually entertaining. They only know how to 'deconstruct'; to tear down and destroy.
Hilarious, given that George Lucas intentionally did this with Padme since he knew that women and girls liked showing off different costumes. It also sold different figures. I mean for fuck's sake, the shopping trip is a common sight in fanfiction for a reason. Are you sure that Kathleen Kennedy isn't a Buffalo Bill figure?

Anyways thought for the day: When you write a black dude as a minstrel show, at least make said dude get better over time. Look at Jar-Jar Binks for an example of how to do such a thing.
 
Interesting. Are we talking about tard-wrangled, DS9-era "It's Only a Paper Moon" Ron Moore here, or unfiltered, NuBSG-era "The Captain's Hand" Ron Moore? 🤔
You hating DS9 era Ron Moore?

House of Quark, Sons of Mogh, Soldiers of the Empire, Once More into the Breach?

Man, your just a ball of shit taste.
God, I do miss the Yuuzhan Vong
You would...
So I guess BioWare still thinks that their pants-less turdlords are hot shit, despite that most of their tech should realistically have been rendered as obsolete as flint axes long ages before any of the Old Republic games took place.
Why? It was a different civilization that developed along different lines.

Moore was hired by Lucas specifically because of his success with Battlestar Galactica, so I would presume the latter.
Not that I'd kick Trek Moore out of fucking bed.

Star Wars underworld was created to exist between Sith and New Hope. It would have been heavily film noir influenced. It would have among other things canonically featured Lando losing the Falcon to Han Solo, Boba Fett hunting people, and possible guest appearances by Imperial characters like Vader.

A massive number of scripts were created by a time of writers including Moore, Stephen Scaia (Human Target/Judging Amy), and Matthew Graham (Life on Mars/Bonekickers/Husle). They tried to hire Russell Davies, but he turned them down and they settled for Chris Chibnall.
 
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