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The Tale of Simple Zack: Terminal Decline

I thought we might take some time out from dabbing on Warcampaign and Jewish conspiracy theories to discuss a recent Ya Boi Zack video and the implications and thoughts expressed in it. The video provides a look into the mind of Richard C Meyer as he comes to grips with the performance of his latest crowdfunded comic campaign ROCK N ROLL NINJAS. First I will summarize the 20 minute video for the thread below before looking deeper into the opinions expressed by Zack.

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The video begins in your typical Ya Boi fashion as he expresses how he prefers his medicine whether pills or powders, supplement routines, baby aspirin, Joe Rogan podcasts and what he puts into his body before getting into the topic of todays video at close to the 3 minute mark which is that "he did a thing, launched Rock N Roll Ninja, thinks it has huge potential but it's doing okay." From the sound of Richards voice as he states the word "okay" you can clearly tell that he is less than pleased with it's current performance, which as of writing has received $15,700 from 352 backers on it's third day of funding.


Zack "instead of sulking, decided to do some research" and check some of his spreadsheets to try and figure out why this is. Zack then displays a spreadsheet showing that for the year of 2020 he had "a fantastic year", exceeding his totals for 2018 and 2019 to the tune of $846,442.


Despite this Zack now feels like "we've hit the peak and now we're on the downslope" whether he is referring to crowdfunding or himself will be extrapolated on in the following sentence as he explains he told some people that "I think that crowdfunding is winding down." He then further goes on to say that everything winds down and compares crowdfunding to the heat death of the universe and we witness poor Zack doom posting as he attempts to come to grips with the black pill performance of Rock N Roll Ninjas by having a moment of self awareness that "we are selling expensive comics that arrive months later, you know its not sustainable indefinitely." Zack then goes into another spreadsheet tracking other crowdfunding campaigns which he originally crafted to track the success of Brian Pullido.

He admits that Brian is on an upward trajectory but struggles to quantify how Brian has never exceeded 3000 backers, before comparing it to Scott Snyder's NOCTERRA 1 which hit over 4000 backers which Zack describes as "being the no.1 writer in DC comics, that's really small" before segueing into Sean Gordon Murphy's The Plot Holes who he describes as "the third best writer" and compares the 3200 backers Sean raised while "not trying to flex but.." to his own 4,326 on Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre which Zack correctly points out was the lowest selling installment of the Jawbreakers series.

At the 5 minute 20 second mark Zack turns his focus to BRZRKR by Boom Studios and Keanu Reeves and offers his inept assessment of it's performance. Zack states that "billions of people have heard of Keanu Reeves and like him and he had an extremely successful crowdfunder but it's fourteen thousand and that is 0.000001% of people who like Keanu Reeves." The casual dismissal of BRZRKR being the second highest performing crowdfunded comic monetarily (arguably the first if we ignore Todd McFarlanes relaunch of Spawn #1 with an action figure) and the fourth most backed in comic crowdfunding history comes across as an out of touch boomer attempting to understand why the billions of people sitting in third world countries that have heard of Keanu Reeves, didn't show up to buy his $50 graphic novel.

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Zack fails to take into account that Keanu Reeves was not promoting the comic in any way, shape or form on any social media platforms like Twitter, Youtube or cough Kiwi Farms and promotion was 100% reliant on BOOM Studios itself. Zack then takes a trip down memory lane and is forced to admit that the days of Jawbreakers earning 10,000 backers like on his original campaign are over. Zack cites the success of Jawbreakers: Lost Souls as being that "he basically had no competition at all" before adding the additional 2000 backers of the Lost Souls Remastered campaign to the original 10,000 backers of Lost Souls and comparing the total 12,000 backers to the 14,000 obtained by Keanu Reeves and BRZRKR. The "no competition at all" fallacy falls flat on it's face when remembering the Comicsgate 2018 gold rush era which saw Cyberfrog, Red Rooster, LoneStar, Bigfoot Bill, Graveyard Shift, Ravage, Black and White, Brand, Trump Space Force and countless other smaller campaigns launch within a few months of Lost Souls. The obvious answer to Zack's own statement isn't addressed, in that several high profile Youtuber's like The Quartering and others covered Mark Waids interference with the Antarctic Press deal giving the campaign an unprecedented amount of coverage within anti-cancel culture communities.

Zack returns to his spreadsheet and continues to analyze the growing trends of several other comic crowdfunders including Jon Malin and his Graveyard Shift series.


Clint Stoker and his respective series Downcast and FATL.


Before pausing on what he describes as a female, SJW indie creator whos data seems almost like Zack's himself, in that she releases more books with varies degrees of success for each campaign. Zack seems to understand on some surface level that of all the data provided by various people in his spreadsheet, they are most similar.


Zack's next example is Tim Lim who provides the most interesting data in both mine and Zack's spreadsheets as he utilizes two crowdfunding platforms and has experienced a remarkable growth in sales since his leaving of Comicsgate, which no other former Comicsgate alumni has been able to replicate.


While looking at Lim's data, Zack contradicts his initial argument again that crowdfunding is winding down, by noticing the obvious explosion of growth that Lim has received on his flagship series Kamen America, but doubles down by stating that Jon Malin, Sweetcast and Tim Lim are "doing something different" although neglects to mention what that something is.
The second half of the twenty minute video has Zack segue off into comedians, fandoms and communities before getting into his various publishing plans from mainstay series like Jawbreakers to "artsy" comics that might become add ons. The artsy book appears to be Pandemic which Zack rather moronically states "people hate the idea of it, but then they get it and they love it" completely ignoring the several reviewers of the book who describe it as dog shit, the latter of which producing a five part video series titled "Pandemic: An Apoplectic Rage." Zack further states that according to his fans Do As Your Told: The Ballad of NO is his most popular comic, in terms of feedback and uses this as a justification for the viewer to take a chance on similar black and white comic Rock N Roll Ninja. Zack then goes on to do his best to hype up the audience for his latest comic stating that "it should have done fifty thousand it's first night" however can't explain why it did not, other than saying "two years ago it would have."

The video then continues with Zack rambling off into crowdfunding, the mainstream, SJWs, the direct market and several other topics we've heard ad nauseum before ending the video after twenty one minutes.

The Kiwi Retort: We Looked At The Data

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While I will give Zack credit for learning how to use a spreadsheet, the data he provided clearly disproves his own thesis that crowdfunding as a whole is in a decline and I will further hammer this home by providing my own data. I present below a table of the top 50 performing comic crowdfunding campaigns of all time by monetary value. Some of the data may be out of date, namely Cyberfrog: Rekt Planet earning an additional 100K but the positions of each campaign remain unchanged.


From the data above we can discern the following:

*The dates of the top 50 range from 2012 to 2020.

*Of the top 50 campaigns, Comicsgate have 14 entries from Ethan VanSciver, Richard C Meyer, Jon Malin, Cecil, Raging Golden Eagle, Dan Fraga, Mitch Breitweiser and Doug TenNapel.

*Of the most funded Spawn #1 (1), BRZRKER (2), Cyberfrog Rekt Planet (4), How to Think When you Draw (5), Earthworm Jim (6), Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (8), How to Think When you Draw 2 (11) and multiple others were all funded in 2018-2021, in fact 37/50 of this top 50 list were funded in 2018-2021.

Quite a remarkable piece of data and contradictory accomplishment from "crowdfunding being in decline" as expressed by Zack in his video, especially since certain Youtube and mainstream pundits have been pushing crowdfunding as a growing percentage of the comic industries growth as a whole. The nature of 37 of the top 50 crowdfunding comics not existing pre-2018 clearly shows that Zack is wrong in his assessment of the decline of crowdfunding as a medium, especially now with Scott Snyder, Sean Gordon Murphy and even Dynamite, Antarctic Press and BOOM Studios adopting the model themselves. Even citing contradictory evidence in his own assessment in Tim Lim, Clint Stoker, Brian Pullido and Jon Malin, our boi Zack struggles to prove his case to his viewers in the aforementioned video and we might be forced to ask ourselves why?

The answer of course is obvious, crowdfunded comics aren't in a decline but rather Zack himself is. I've previously discussed Zack's decline in a post back in September here when discussing his crowdfunding metrics, in some cases shedding nearly 40% of his backers on each subsequent Jawbreakers campaign. While Zack projects his own decline to the entire crowdfunding medium, he does attribute his own decline to "competition" which could certainly play a part in it. I will give short concise reasons why I believe he is in decline below.

User Engagement - Zack ceased livestreaming to his audience which as @FROG has shown, is the best way to market your book to your audience providing entertainment and engagement whilst shilling your product at certain intervals. Ethan also engages with his audience on Twitter and here on Kiwi Farms, on which neither Zack currently has a presence.

Sloppy Campaign Pages - Several of Zack's previous campaigns have become so bare bones that it seems obvious he is half assing them. Neglecting to post artwork from pages, neglecting to inform the backer of page counts, the lack of stretch goals to incentivize a growing campaign or upgrades. It is of my opinion that Zack has started taking his audience for granted and it shows in the presentation of his campaign pages.

Terrible Books - While not every Meyer book can be described as a stinker, they are extremely hit and miss with his own audience. Large swathes of people loathed the writing in Godking, Iron Sights and Iron Sights 2 while Pandemic has been universally panned by Comicsgate reviewers who seem a mixture of embarrassed for him and angry for releasing it in the first place.

Unfulfilled Campaigns - At the time of writing this post, The Expendables, Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre, Impossible Stars and 499 remain unfulfilled and Zack proceeds to launch a fifth campaign.

The Lawsuit - The most recent factor playing apart of Zack's now accelerated decline could be from his perceived cuckery in the lawsuit against Mark Waid which produced a decent amount of outrage from those who decided to support him.

The Same old Schtick - Now in his fourth year of being a Youtuber, Zack has failed to adapt with the times and perfect his craft. Offering the same old tired diatribes and can't complete with the in depth videos of Comic Tropes, the guests on Ethan's livestreams, or even the entertainment of an absolute train wreck Liam Gray stream. Zack has allowed himself to become yesterday's news and he is not only in competition with others for comic sales, but also eye balls on his videos.

TLDR
Zack's latest copium video projecting his own demise onto the entire crowdfunding medium offers a rare display of a moment of weakness from our boi. Will he continue to keep his head in the sand over his own shortcomings, or will he learn and adapt to the changing environment around him?

Only time will tell, but no King rules forever.

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More or less mirrors what I've said and the most rage inducing part is it's all self inflicted. Supposedly this is his dream. But he clearly resents doing the parts of comics he chides pros for not doing. Selling your comics with what works, listening to customers, and when they speak making changes.
Zack's had a rough year, and there are aspects of it that aren't repairable. Quitting the lawsuit the way he did was disastrous for his relationship with his customers.
The thing that hurt him the most was the clear contempt of some of his actions. The lawsuit, quitting livestreams and social media. As if its beneath him.
Even if he needed more funding, even if he won the lawsuit and the reward was almost nothing, or even if he lost the lawsuit, the BIGGER payoff would have been a tighter connection with the people who funded his projects. His audience wants to support his struggle against the machine more than they want to support his actual comic books, and he may have lost sight of that. Walking away was myopic.

He can pull out of this nosedive.

1. Focus entirely on ONE or TWO campaigns per year, and work them properly. Stretch goals and hype. The hype comes from appearing on other channels for guest appearances and interviews. He's gotta reach beyond his own audience.

2. Focus on your BRANDING. Zack's most successful property is JAWBREAKERS. That's his LADY DEATH. People have a good feeling about JAWBREAKERS, and it's been highly successful in the past. They're connected to it as much as they are Zack. All projects should be JAWBREAKERS related. A good way to do this would be to offer a new issue of JAWBREAKERS and a bonus JAWBREAKERS solo comic with each campaign.

There should be t-shirts with the logo, trading cards, all manner of merchandise for customers to buy in between books.

3. Connect the stories. Write an ongoing series with cliffhanger endings that lead into the next book.
I don't think that's enough. He needs to improve his channel. He needs a serious attitude adjustment. Most of all, Richard Meyer has to decide whether this is what he wants to be doing. Because their are people who are succeeding that have already firmly answered that question with yes.
But Zack is gonna go his own way. He does what makes sense to him.

Arrogance and antipathy sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Hmm yes, it turns out charging several times the wait and price of a normal comic book for something that's "aesthetically" intended to 'look' low-cost and cheap doesn't really strike a lot of appeal outside the Portland artisanal doritos buying set. As for the idea that "crowdfunding is dying down", that is a patently absurd assertion. Crowdfunding comics is at this point is a proven way for indie creators to get their business out there without relying on the waning futures of retail comic book shops, with or without Comicsgate.


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Absolutely! I've hammered on this, that books like Cyberfrog and EWJ are rarified air. They look great (Not twenty-five dollars great) but are top notch. Lesser talent charging the same as these rare air books is a reach at best.
Maybe he means Comicsgate is on its way out. That's fair - it's been going through something of a malaise over the past month. Except if we're going by increase per annum, Comicsgate had a good year last year. How good?

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There are a few unfortunate facts in the way of this projection - ~80% of CG's revenue goes to the top 20% of creators in a classic Pareto distribution
That sounds like one of the points WC's tried to make, only you made it intelligently. CG is very much a pyramid.
of that 20%: Doug does not look to be going back to crowdfunding comics any time soon after striking the youtube motherlode as a culture warrior. Frog is busy with with multiple campaigns that have carried over from 2020 and Zack is, well, he's declining steeply in what still remains a growth market. Comicsgate as a whole may be growing, but below the Pandemic threshold that growth is incremental at best. A threshold that Zack may be getting very familiar with if his campaigns are losing out to Adam Friended and Supervillains Anonymous..
I don't know. Who are the rising stars in CG? Clint Stoker?
 
Hoo boy, the dangers of not using a spellcheck is some serious stuff. These people are making this a way bigger deal than it needs to be though. This doesn't seem like that X-Men Gold situation, this is just some poor idiot who forgot a letter. I don't get why they're mad about the Star of David though. Is because the guy drew it like shit?

@FROG fly down to Texas and shake some sense into Ya Boi, you may tick off people here, but you still know how to make money. Sit on him if ya gotta. I still like SuperCuts and it bums me out watching him stretch himself out so thin just to sell bullshit

I have an idea that might save this project, and I discussed it with him.

From here on out, if it isn't JAWBREAKERS, don't do it.

Add a wraparound sequence to this project, present day, where these Rock N Roll Ninja characters are now killers in their 70's, and our JAWBREAKERS need them for their next mission, which will pick up in JAWBREAKERS 4. Just add The Expendables to JawBreakers, in other words.

Zack killed a lot of his characters in that last JB book, but Jawbreakers should have an endless cast of ex-superhero GI Joe mercs. Always create new characters for the team.

He seemed receptive, like this whole thing was a wake up call. I really don't want Zack to fail. The main premise of ComicsGate is to listen to your customers. I think he forgot how to do that.
 
I have an idea that might save this project, and I discussed it with him.

From here on out, if it isn't JAWBREAKERS, don't do it.

Add a wraparound sequence to this project, present day, where these Rock N Roll Ninja characters are now killers in their 70's, and our JAWBREAKERS need them for their next mission, which will pick up in JAWBREAKERS 4. Just add The Expendables to JawBreakers, in other words.

Zack killed a lot of his characters in that last JB book, but Jawbreakers should have an endless cast of ex-superhero GI Joe mercs. Always create new characters for the team.

He seemed receptive, like this whole thing was a wake up call. I really don't want Zack to fail. The main premise of ComicsGate is to listen to your customers. I think he forgot how to do that.

If Expendables isn't a one time thing and he can do multiple Expendables comics, he needs to do that in addition to fleshing out the Jawbreakers universe. Expendables & Jawbreakers should be his primary focus, try and milk your cash cow franchises.
 
I have an idea that might save this project, and I discussed it with him.

From here on out, if it isn't JAWBREAKERS, don't do it.

Add a wraparound sequence to this project, present day, where these Rock N Roll Ninja characters are now killers in their 70's, and our JAWBREAKERS need them for their next mission, which will pick up in JAWBREAKERS 4. Just add The Expendables to JawBreakers, in other words.

Zack killed a lot of his characters in that last JB book, but Jawbreakers should have an endless cast of ex-superhero GI Joe mercs. Always create new characters for the team.

He seemed receptive, like this whole thing was a wake up call. I really don't want Zack to fail. The main premise of ComicsGate is to listen to your customers. I think he forgot how to do that.
Zack has one great video coming along.
The title should be on the line of "I know why SJW writers fail - because I went there".

I hope he gets there on his own, but his latest crowdfunds scream "entitlement" to Crowdfunding dollars.
At this point he should consider alternatives like digital first issues to be collected as crowdfunded books when ended, crowdfunded Jawbreaker GNs and add on floppies at a low price.
Also: Merch.
 
Add a wraparound sequence to this project, present day, where these Rock N Roll Ninja characters are now killers in their 70's, and our JAWBREAKERS need them for their next mission, which will pick up in JAWBREAKERS 4. Just add The Expendables to JawBreakers, in other words.
I like this idea. Reminds me of the "Granola-Verse" you guys were discussing a few weeks ago. That kind of interconnectivity is probably going to become more common going forward as these creators realize it's far easier to simply come up with new characters than coming up with an entirely new setting for each story. Especially in the case of Zack, who's stories may as well all take place in the same universe anyway. Speaking of Zack, I could even see his setting taking on a Mortal Kombat-esq quality where characters are able to enter his story, die horribly, and then re-appear in their own lore as if nothing happened. Much like Mortal Kombat, he could also start exploring alternative timelines which would allow him to re-use characters (*cough*Zashi*cough*) and revisit events. This is a great way for Zack to maintain his hyper-violent "anyone can die" writing style without having to constantly create disposable characters.
 
More or less mirrors what I've said and the most rage inducing part is it's all self inflicted. Supposedly this is his dream. But he clearly resents doing the parts of comics he chides pros for not doing. Selling your comics with what works, listening to customers, and when they speak making changes.

The thing that hurt him the most was the clear contempt of some of his actions. The lawsuit, quitting livestreams and social media. As if its beneath him.

I don't think that's enough. He needs to improve his channel. He needs a serious attitude adjustment. Most of all, Richard Meyer has to decide whether this is what he wants to be doing. Because their are people who are succeeding that have already firmly answered that question with yes.


Arrogance and antipathy sounds familiar, doesn't it?


Absolutely! I've hammered on this, that books like Cyberfrog and EWJ are rarified air. They look great (Not twenty-five dollars great) but are top notch. Lesser talent charging the same as these rare air books is a reach at best.

That sounds like one of the points WC's tried to make, only you made it intelligently. CG is very much a pyramid.

I don't know. Who are the rising stars in CG? Clint Stoker?
Boy do I agree with the thing Dongs said about $25 For books that “look cheap”. I wanted $25 so that I could do my best work and offer the best possible presentation. Now that seems to be the standard basic asking price for every random crowdfunded comic.
Rising stars in CG are Stoker and the new pros like Fraga, Shane Davis and Rocafort.
 
Despite this Zack now feels like "we've hit the peak and now we're on the downslope" whether he is referring to crowdfunding or himself will be extrapolated on in the following sentence as he explains he told some people that "I think that crowdfunding is winding down."
Bullshit.

While looking at Lim's data, Zack contradicts his initial argument again that crowdfunding is winding down, by noticing the obvious explosion of growth that Lim has received on his flagship series Kamen America, but doubles down by stating that Jon Malin, Sweetcast and Tim Lim are "doing something different" although neglects to mention what that something is.
Knuckling down, making a fucking product, and not getting into gay internet slap fights, promoting one's ego over said product, or otherwise deluding yourself into believing you're saving the world through a hashtag campaign?

Just sayin'.

I backed KA partially because the work ethic I'm seeing from Tim and Mark is damn impressive. It's very un-CG.

Also, the tits and ass. Naturally.

The answer of course is obvious, crowdfunded comics aren't in a decline but rather Zack himself is.
No shit.

He cucked on the lawsuit. I would have had more respect for him if he went all the way and lost. He wasn't paying for it. People who were tired of Waid's shit were.

CG is terminally fucked if she's the rising star. Everybody should abandon ship now.
 
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Bullshit.


Knuckling down, making a fucking product, and not getting into gay internet slap fights, promoting one's ego over said product, or otherwise deluding yourself into believing you're saving the world through a hashtag campaign?

Just sayin'.

I backed KA partially because the work ethic I'm seeing from Tim and Mark is damn impressive. It's very un-CG.

Also, the tits and ass. Naturally.


No shit.

He cucked on the lawsuit. I would have had more respect for him if he went all the way and lost. He wasn't paying for it. People who were tired of Wade's shit were.


CG is terminally fucked if she's the rising star. Everybody should abandon ship now.
Don't ruin my WITTEN dream!
 
For anybody who felt that Meyer cucking on the lawsuit wasn't going to impact him negatively, after the big deal that was made about the whole thing, you are dumb. You should feel dumb. Please report to the nearest wall (or other convenient solid object), and bash your head against it until all the stupid is knocked loose.

Say what you want about Preston, but he grasped that much when this was discussed, in brief, on the Trash Compactor. I think everybody on the show predicted he'd be bested by KA.
 
For anybody who felt that Meyer cucking on the lawsuit wasn't going to impact him negatively, after the big deal that was made about the whole thing, you are dumb. You should feel dumb. Please report to the nearest wall (or other convenient solid object), and bash your head against it until all the stupid is knocked loose.

Say what you want about Preston, but he grasped that much when this was discussed, in brief, on the Trash Compactor. I think everybody on the show predicted he'd be bested by KA.
It's hard to isolate just one thing. Richard's shaken off social media and livestreams. That direct interaction creates bonds. He's also been all over the place and his product, as Smug pointed out, has suffered. I could hope that his lawsuit dodge made his backers blink, but there's so many things he's chosen to do that all kindof wrap together in this bundle of apathy and entitlement.
 
That sounds like one of the points WC's tried to make, only you made it intelligently. CG is very much a pyramid.
If I'm to be honest, I was inspired to look into it in response to the rhetoric WC member Man of Sex was making during their "Death of CG" stream; regardless of the source, it's a legitimate contention that warrants scrutiny. I was going to make it the subject of a "KiwiChron" post but sadly it was lost during the server transfer last month.

By scraping all the data off of CreatorGoGo for the year of 2020 and punching the results into a spreadsheet and graph, I came out with something like this.:

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Looking at these figures, CG funding frequency distribution clearly conforms to a power law that is almost perfectly in line with the Pareto Principle, complete with the conventional "short head" and "long tail".

[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle']Wikipedia[/URL] said:
The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes (the “vital few”).Other names for this principle are the 80/20 rule, the law of the vital few, or the principle of factor sparsity.

Management consultant Joseph M. Juran developed the concept in the context of quality control, and improvement, naming it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who noted the 80/20 connection while at the University of Lausanne in 1896. In his first work, Cours d'économie politique, Pareto showed that approximately 80% of the land in Italy was owned by 20% of the population. The Pareto principle is only tangentially related to Pareto efficiency.



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In short, much like everything else on planet Earth, Comicsgate remains deeply unequal in outcome. One wonders how much responsibility Frog truly bears for not solving problems of systemic inequality that some of the greatest minds on the planet have failed to overcome, but this starts to go beyond the purview of Comicsgate. Looking at 2020's campaigns on an individual basis, the statistical power law becomes even more evident

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24/131 = 18/82 or roughly 80/20

As the above graph shows, the "long tail" consisting of 115 CG campaigns over the course of 2020, is a long stretch of crowdfunds that are tightly competitive with one another - a given campaign makes only 2-3 percent more than the campaigns above and below it.

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On the right, we can see that once a certain threshold is crossed, revenue generated starts jumping up between campaigns dramatically.. So there's the top-fifth of Comicsgate and the rest of CG, and where this phenomenon starts is abruptly at PANdemIC. I interpreted this to mean that Pandemic was the lowest grossing possible amount that a "top fifth" CG creator could possibly get, which looking back should have been taken as a massive warning sign to Zack. This also means we can set a figure on what separates a "big" from a "small" Comicsgater - $50,950.

However none of this really addresses the substance of MOS' argument - that while the total revenue for CG has increased, the rich in CG are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. To answer this, comparative data from 2019 would be needed, gratefully compiled by former CGer and freshly minted global political pariah @edwin_boyette who kept track of such things. Thanks Edwin

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As we can see, there's a bit of rosecolored glasses going on when looking backwards - if anything CG 2019 was more unequal than 2020. In other words the CG rich got much richer, while the CG poor got only somewhat richer. 52 out of 101 CG projects in 2019 made over $10,000 while 71 of 130 projects did the same in 2020. Somewhat counterintuitively, there were definitely more Comicsgate creators making low amounts of money (sub $10K) in 2020 than in 2019 at the same time more money was going into all economic stratums of CG overall. Although the effects become less and less noticeable the further you are from the PANdemIC threshold.

Let's take someone who has run campaigns in both 2019 and 2020 as a good benchmark - alazmat films and his project Roadwarrior Drake. Drake made $472 in 2019 and $4370 in 2020. While Frog may make more than that campaign in a single good livestream, someone on the bottom (and Alazmat's campaign was dead last in 2019) experiencing tenfold growth is still tenfold growth.

Conclusion

Like the rest of comic book crowdfunding, Comicsgate is growing, even somewhat better (proportionately) than the "mainstream" indie crowdfunding scene. Whether this is because of ideological posturing, better business philosophy, more effective self-marketing or advantageous coordination between creators than the average comic book creator on Kickstarter that is less easy to explain concretely. That said, the movement's largest earners are both encountering issues (Frog having backlogged commitments to flagship projects he can't ignore) and Zack's audience starting to leave him; both of these issues (although Frog's problems aren't nearly as serious) are going to interfere with their crowdfunding over 2021 and have a significant impact on CG's collective total. For whatever that's worth.

I don't know. Who are the rising stars in CG? Clint Stoker?
Kenneth Rocafort is the only debuting CG creator on his way to crossing the $50,950 Pandemic Threshold, so I'd say him despite his lack of a platform. He's also been making an effort to show up on a lot of the smaller streams as well, which is always good when trying to build a genuine connection with the community. The other guy is HeelsVsBabyface, who when (if) he decides to market a product is going to make a six figure campaign easily.
 
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I don't know. Who are the rising stars in CG? Clint Stoker?

Rising stars in CG are Stoker and the new pros like Fraga, Shane Davis and Rocafort.

I backed Clint's first book because he sold me on the idea that he was a writer who knew what he was doing.

Reading the book changed my mind on that note. His writing reminds me of the indies of the 80's. Sadly it's not the hit indies he reminds me of.

Clint's work isn't bad really. It's just completely unremarkable and unoriginal. His style and craftsmanship doesn't make up for his lack of originality and he doesn't have the good sense to write something trashy and lurid to make up for any of his deficits.

At this point I'd say Meyer's writing is superior to Clint's in that Meyer is at least trying to be original (not always succeeding with it) and he's trashing it up with ninjas and cheesecake to make up for his deficits.

Meyer's writing may not be as "good" as Stoker's but it's definitely not as predictable and boring from what I've read.

Did anyone back Clint's conclusion to Downcast?

Was the second half more interesting than the first?

Charlie Snogin's art on the FATL campaign looks great. His command of perspective is commendable and his layouts are better than most established pros out there. The art shows real promise.

That said the premise of the book isn't interesting. "Freelance badass is broke and forced to take a job against his better judgement" is an over used trope that while not terrible as a framework for a great character like Han Solo or Malcolm Reynolds (Firefly) isn't in itself a compelling reason to pick up the book.

Clint had best hold onto his artist. I could see Snogins' art carrying him a long way. The cheesecake is a welcome change.

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Zack seems to be throwing all kinds of shit at the wall hoping that something will stick, which is weird since he used to go on and on about how Brian Pulido was the crowdfunding model to follow. Brian's model looks pretty simple he has his main series of Lady Death and another series (or two depending on popularity) rotating in between issues. So it ends up looking like this: LD -> La Muerta ->LD -> Hellwitch -> LD -> LM -> (etc)

I thought this was Zacks plan with Jawbreakers as his main and iron sights as his backup

In other news Marvel is desperate for views / interactions they are starting up a points reward system for engagement. You can be rewarded with shit they had lying around in the warehouse. https://www.marvel.com/insider
 
Zack seems to be throwing all kinds of shit at the wall hoping that something will stick, which is weird since he used to go on and on about how Brian Pulido was the crowdfunding model to follow. Brian's model looks pretty simple he has his main series of Lady Death and another series (or two depending on popularity) rotating in between issues. So it ends up looking like this: LD -> La Muerta ->LD -> Hellwitch -> LD -> LM -> (etc)

I thought this was Zacks plan with Jawbreakers as his main and iron sights as his backup

In other news Marvel is desperate for views / interactions they are starting up a points reward system for engagement. You can be rewarded with shit they had lying around in the warehouse. https://www.marvel.com/insider
My friends and I had noticed that I seemed to have a peculiar kind of luck that came in two forms - totally, undeservedly good, with great things just falling into my hands without me working for them or horribly, irreparably bad, in which things that I specifically worked to keep from happening, happened twice as bad.
- Richard C. Meyer, Four in the Corps: From Boot Camp to Baghdad - One Grunt's Enlistment (Lincoln: iUniverse, Inc., 2005), pg. 142.
 
Three seconds of Zack, presented without comment.


At this point he should consider alternatives like digital first issues to be collected as crowdfunded books when ended

Like a lot of CG he used to recoil from digital, like a vampire from sunlight, but look at any of his recent comic reviews and they're all pulled off comixology. Do you think he's softening, or does he just want to avoid selling anything cheaper than his 'real' books?

For anybody who felt that Meyer cucking on the lawsuit wasn't going to impact him negatively

These people exist?

Did anyone back Clint's conclusion to Downcast?

Was the second half more interesting than the first?

Fuck, you just reminded me that I have Downcast 1 here, somewhere, unread. I lost almost all interest between backing and receipt.
 
Did he not grasp how many of his backers were only supporting him due to the lawsuit? I don't think relaunching that campaign is going to bring in any more, even with the full-throated Frog dedicating a stream to it. Maybe a little better but not how it used to be.

zack did irreparable damage to himself when he cucked out to Mark Waid. The quality of his books was already declining, but the lawsuit just pushed many fans away from him permanentl. Now I can see that as much as he rails on mainstream comics for bad art, he has no problem with Having shitty art in his own books.


I backed Clint's first book because he sold me on the idea that he was a writer who knew what he was doing.

Reading the book changed my mind on that note. His writing reminds me of the indies of the 80's. Sadly it's not the hit indies he reminds me of.

Clint's work isn't bad really. It's just completely unremarkable and unoriginal. His style and craftsmanship doesn't make up for his lack of originality and he doesn't have the good sense to write something trashy and lurid to make up for any of his deficits.

At this point I'd say Meyer's writing is superior to Clint's in that Meyer is at least trying to be original (not always succeeding with it) and he's trashing it up with ninjas and cheesecake to make up for his deficits.

Meyer's writing may not be as "good" as Stoker's but it's definitely not as predictable and boring from what I've read.

Did anyone back Clint's conclusion to Downcast?

Was the second half more interesting than the first?

Charlie Snogin's art on the FATL campaign looks great. His command of perspective is commendable and his layouts are better than most established pros out there. The art shows real promise.

That said the premise of the book isn't interesting. "Freelance badass is broke and forced to take a job against his better judgement" is an over used trope that while not terrible as a framework for a great character like Han Solo or Malcolm Reynolds (Firefly) isn't in itself a compelling reason to pick up the book.

Clint had best hold onto his artist. I could see Snogins' art carrying him a long way. The cheesecake is a welcome change.

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The second half felt very rushed. There could have easily been a third book, but instead He introduced new plot points like a resistance group on earth’s surface and then having them not doing too much to further the story’s plot.
 
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A little late to the party. in regards to Zack.

The lawsuit going the way it did didn't bother me, especially when like 6 months to a year ago he started talking about how sometimes the best win is to take a settlement. When he said that I knew he wasn't going all the way, but I was okay with that.

So me not backing this Vietnam Rock and Roll book has nothing to do with that. Hell, I'm kind of interested in the idea truth be told, but I'm standing firm that I'm not going to back another of his books until he fulfills Expendables and Jawbreakers 3.
 
Like a lot of CG he used to recoil from digital, like a vampire from sunlight, but look at any of his recent comic reviews and they're all pulled off comixology. Do you think he's softening, or does he just want to avoid selling anything cheaper than his 'real' books?
YBZ's worst enemy is himself.
And, tbh, he baffles me.

I mean, out of CG creators, some people are smart and know it, like JSG.
Others are dumb, like TUG.

YBZ possesses Strodinger's IQ, meaning he can be smart one moment and a dumb fuck the next. His criticisms are very spot on. He can say one insightful comment per video each and every time.
But he can hardly take a look at himself and realize that he fucks up. I believe that part of it comes down to his overthinking things and having very rigid views.

I believe he goes crowdfunding for everything because this is the thing he knows how to do.
Plus, he focus a lot on the form factor, producing "cheap" "trashy" comics at a premium price, which, to be frank, is not a bad concept, just one nobody wants to buy. Just look at Marvel sales to see that.

Going digital/POD for his indie stuff would make him more money long-term because he would have to do the comic, publish it then profit. But he did not have to thnik about it until that point.

PS: I do not care about the lolsuit, it was a lost cause. But paying $25+ overseas shipping for a comicbook is excessive, especially when I could easily get great comicbooks for the equivalent $5-$15 or manga for $10.
 
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