Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[booklover]

I suspect that "waddle your baby" was a typo and should have said "swaddle".

I'm in a craft group (we're all autonomous since COVID) who do a lot of knitting and crocheting (and some sewing) for charity, and we have had members make tiny blankets, hats, and sweaters for the NICU, and there's a local organization that will make wedding dresses into infant burial gowns. People who have donated them have said things like "I hope this is never used" or more commonly, "I wish this service had existed when I had a stillbirth X years ago."

As for Luna's brother, I Googled "male names for the moon" and the first thing that came up was Ainar, which is Kazakh for "moon". (Or what about Luno?)

 

[The Joker]

How did they end up preparing the 4 month old fetus?

At that point its more about just adding makeup to have the body look like it has skin tone with basic cake makeup since the veins are likely too underdeveloped for embalming.

Earliest one I saw was for a pregnancy that lasted only 6 months and it was just a small viewing for the parents/ family. There was no embalming and since it was a low income area and the story was horrible, the funeral home did the makeup for free and a local charity came and took pictures for the mother while she was in the hospital. It only lasted for a couple hours and was very peaceful.

Infant funerals are brutal and the last (more ethical) home I was at was far more caring. Often the bodies were kept in small "cradels" that did not look like our normal storage areas and they kept a rocking chair for the parents to spend all the time they needed.

the reason that the death industry has such a high turnover rate is because a lot of people can't leave their feelings at home when they do it (lots of people get sent home because they started to cry) and because of the horrible pay. Expect to be surrounded by death, sobbing, and lifting bodies for $12 an hour if you are lucky.

 

[Android raptor]

At that point its more about just adding makeup to have the body look like it has skin tone with basic cake makeup since the veins are likely too underdeveloped for embalming.

Earliest one I saw was for a pregnancy that lasted only 6 months and it was just a small viewing for the parents/ family. There was no embalming and since it was a low income area and the story was horrible, the funeral home did the makeup for free and a local charity came and took pictures for the mother while she was in the hospital. It only lasted for a couple hours and was very peaceful.

Infant funerals are brutal and the last (more ethical) home I was at was far more caring. Often the bodies were kept in small "cradels" that did not look like our normal storage areas and they kept a rocking chair for the parents to spend all the time they needed.

the reason that the death industry has such a high turnover rate is because a lot of people can't leave their feelings at home when they do it (lots of people get sent home because they started to cry) and because of the horrible pay. Expect to be surrounded by death, sobbing, and lifting bodies for $12 an hour if you are lucky.

Would caking a tiny fetus in makeup really be making it look lifelike though, when in life it was bright red due to the skin being thin and transparent? It sounds more like it's making it fit the parents notions of what it should look like. Either way, definitely not a job I envy someone having to do.

I can get having a funeral for a pregnancy that was decently far along, I guess what trips me up is fundies spending hundreds of dollars on caskets for embryos and demanding the right to bury them in a cemetery and shit. And then posting about it publically online complete with rotting fetus pics.

A few caps from trisomy pages

Fundies celebrating Trump throwing them a bone before he left office. "Victims of abortion" made me snort

Just because she got lucky and got a kid with trisomy 18 that survived after birth and has some capabilities doesn't mean it's not still a condition that's overwhelmingly lethal. Especially since I kinda wonder if her son has the mosaic form instead of the full version.

Also Kayli is a great counter to her claim that T18 kids aren't veggies

Oh boy, US parents have even more ability to force doctors to waste resources on their fucked up spuds.

Whatever this guy is going through, I feel it.

 

[booklover]

(dons flameproof suit) Trump was the most anti-life president we've ever had.

 

[flipwizardmagoo]

Would you elaborate on the warning signs and things that went wrong? Just curious to hear the L&D nurse perspective.

Sure! First of all, it's impossible to know what position Luna's head was in during the delivery process, since her mom has never said, but babies typically delivery in a position called OA (occiput anterior), or facing down. Sometimes though, they are facing up (OP/occiput posterior), which makes for a much more difficult delivery, since a wider circumference is having to be pushed out first. I suspect Luna was OP because of the surprising amount of pain involved in her delivery. Natural birth is always painful, but OP deliveries are much more painful and take a lot longer. The baby descends and the cervix dilates much slower, and labor tends to stall and a lot of times ends up in a caesarian section for failure to progress, descend or both. In a hospital, cervical exams performed every so often can inform the nurses and OBGYN of progress or lackthereof, but since she refused any checks until very late in the process, who knows.

Another more startling thing is how long they waited to clamp and cut the umbilical cord after delivery. There's nothing wrong with delayed cord clamping, and it's a common practice to allow the cord to stop pulsing (indicating the completion of flow from the placenta) to cut it, but from that blog I think it was almost a half hour before they clamped and cut the cord. They said they waited until it stopped pulsing, but Luna wasn't hooked up to any monitors. We don't know what her oxygen saturation was. We don't know if she was even benefitting from that delay.

Likely, Luna experienced a lot of stress from malposition during labor and delivery and needed instant oxygen supplementation and probably assistance with breathing, but instead she got unnecessary circulation. Airway always comes first, blood flow means nothing if oxygenation isn't present. A baby that endures that kind of stressful delivery would never be a candidate for chilling on mom with the placenta attached for a half hour. She would have been whisked away, probably limp and blue, to a warmer, dried, stimulated and assessed, then provided oxygen and assistance breathing.

But because so many moms are set on a home birth, she got nothing, and look where she is now. What was the benefit of anything that happened that night? In a different setting, with educated individuals, Luna could be a normal, healthy baby girl.

 

[Android raptor]

(dons flameproof suit) Trump was the most anti-life president we've ever had.

He's a manbaby whose favorite hobby is raw-dogging porn stars. Pretty sure he's personally funded at least a few abortions.

It is funny seeing how fundies support him just because he throws them a few bones here and there. Dude probably gives the least fucks about fundie bullshit of any GOP president we've had in a while.

Anyway re-reading Luna's birth story the bit about her midwives supposedly discouraging her from going to the hospital is horrific. She claimed the state required midwives to be certified, but clearly that certification is worthless if they tell someone not to go to a hospital after being in labor almost 2 days.

If she did actually go to the hospital just think how Luna could've been healthy or at least less damaged

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

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Jesus, “Behind the Scenes” like she’s some fucking celebrity allowing plebs a peek into her life.

Luna looked totally normal at birth too. But given her post about labor and new baby photo means at least this birth didn’t drag out for three days depriving the new one of oxygen.

I honestly think Luna is a paycheck for the family at this point. Her husband was a “cross fit” trainer and what was already on the decline has been almost entirely killed off by Covid. She doesn’t do anything but try to be an influencer and peddle woo nonsense - which isn’t going to support a family. I suppose maybe her husband has gotten some sort of covid unemployment due to his job being effected by the pandemic and family might be assisting them.

But everything about her and hubby is really strange and off. Of course, I’m suspicious of anyone who wants to use their home/private life as content fodder on IG, particularly when it involves a disabled, dying baby.

 

[Android raptor]

Is there anything known about Luna's extended family? I wouldn't be surprised if they're helping them financially, though you'd think one of their relatives would think the woo shit is sus especially after Luna.

Didn't Gwen use her gremlins as the main source of their families income as well (though I'm sure they also got help from family members)?

 

[The Joker]

(dons flameproof suit) Trump was the most anti-life president we've ever had.

Fundies love him and Mike Huckabee because of how "pro life" they act.

I personally love reading about fundies comparing a woman aborting a fetus with severe disabilities to having injured war vets euthanized.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/456841-disability-based-abortion-is-lethal-discrimination%3famp

 

[booklover]

At this point Luna and her batshit mom need a thread. At least 25-50% of the recent pages of this thread were on her and her mom.


Scream, scream son. You know the horror of the world you were born into. I pray that nothing went wrong with him.

Now that the Hartleys are no longer with us, yes, most of the posts are about Luna or are related to her.

As for the 3-pack of fetal caskets, I suspect that is the way they're marketed to funeral homes, especially because they're all different sizes.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Is there anything known about Luna's extended family? I wouldn't be surprised if they're helping them financially, though you'd think one of their relatives would think the woo shit is sus especially after Luna.

Didn't Gwen use her gremlins as the main source of their families income as well (though I'm sure they also got help from family members)?

Not that I’m aware of. The mom carefully curates her IG to present a calculated “woo lifestyle is fabulous and photogenic” She puts a great deal of staging into all her photos to make sure it resembles a Target catalog. Basically she ensures no hints of their actual real life are present in the ad campaign she’s engaging in for herself. Luna must have presented a real problem since having a dying child with a head that’s painful to look at went against her idealized IG presentation.

On the other hand sick and deformed kids also attract their own audience (and parents desperate for woo shit that might help their kids) so she decided to go ahead and milk Luna’s tragedy to the best of her abilities. I was actually surprised they didn’t try GFM or other fundraising activities but that might be because extra income could endanger the benefits they receive for Luna. No doubt they depend on Medicaid for all their medical care and there is a income threshold for it.

They had moved to Indiana, and Luna was born there, for him to work as a CrossFit instructor. After Luna’s birth they mentioned moving to Las Vegas to be near family. They could be living with her parents for all we know, but that might but a crimp in her home birth plan. She mentioned they would be moving again soon too.

Gwen’s wealth was a real mystery. Her husband even quit his job and started and expensive hobby job after tater number 2. I always guessed that Scott’s father (who was a doctor) decided to give bequeath them a large inheritance before his death in light of them having two disabled children. Like why wait till he’s dead, give them a large chunk of his wealth now since they could use it to care for two severely disabled kids and one healthy one. Basically trying to mitigate some of the hardship in their life via financial generosity.

This is just a guess. Someone lived near Gwen posted in the thread a few years ago and said that the source of the Hartley’s money was a mystery to ppl in their neighborhood too.

I’m sure they received significant govt disability payments, respite care and lots of medical care- but nothing that would explain the McMansion, several nice vacations per year, no real job for either adult, a house keeper and the ability of Scott to run a glass studio (those things are notoriously expensive and rarely profitable). They lived like people who had a large trust fund.

 

[MysticMisty]

But everything about her and hubby is really strange and off.

Their relationship itself comes off as off in my opinion. Everything is all about her and he's just...there. She doesn't even talk about him spending time with Luna. And that's before getting into how their house is a photo studio that they seem to live in. Nothing about them is candid or spontaneous: the Sociopath is the writer, director, and star of her own personal show.

And then there's the fact that she treats Luna more as a prop and accessory to her show than her baby. Like having a baby was a business move rather than a family or personal one. I really want to be wrong on this, but the way she presents everything seems otherwise. Especially since in many ways Luna is, sadly, the idea prop and personal accessory for the image she presents. Luna is too damaged to cry, fuss, or refuse to cooperate for photo time. She just lays there oblivious to being stuffed into costumes, or having a hand dipped in paint and waved around a canvas.

Gwen’s wealth was a real mystery. Her husband even quit his job and started and expensive hobby job after tater number 2. I always guessed that Scott’s father (who was a doctor) decided to give bequeath them a large inheritance before his death in light of them having two disabled children. Like why wait till he’s dead, give them a large chunk of his wealth now since they could use it to care for two severely disabled kids and one healthy one. Basically trying to mitigate some of the hardship in their life via financial generosity.

This is just a guess. Someone lived near Gwen posted in the thread a few years ago and said that the source of the Hartley’s money was a mystery to ppl in their neighborhood too.

I’m sure they received significant govt disability payments, respite care and lots of medical care- but nothing that would explain the McMansion, several nice vacations per year, no real job for either adult, a house keeper and the ability of Scott to run a glass studio (those things are notoriously expensive and rarely profitable). They lived like people who had a large trust fund.

Money from Scott's father would account for some of it, but not everything. Yes the cost of living is cheaper in Kansas, but the wages are less too. A doctor in their small city will be well off, but not nearly enough to cover his own cost of living and the lifestyle of the Hartley's, even with plenty saved up. Unless at one point he practiced in a major city and lived a frugal life so that he could move to the country and live more like a king, and even then I'm not sure. As you said, they had multiple nice vacations every year, and a McMansion, and an expensive hobby for Scott to boot. If it was just one of those things I'd agree that it was all because of Scott's father, but all of it together just doesn't add up.

 

[Allo Vera]

At least it seems to have been born pretty quickly. Why the fuck do they have Luna right there though, seems pretty unhygienic.

There’s literally nothing unhygienic about allowing the sibling to be a few feet away from the newborn. Under normal circumstances, a toddler sibling would be kissing and hugging them.

I think this baby will have a woo nature name, like River.

Likely, Luna experienced a lot of stress from malposition during labor and delivery and needed instant oxygen supplementation and probably assistance with breathing, but instead she got unnecessary circulation.

IIRC the cord was around her neck too. I’m guessing that would stall the baby’s descent, not to mention the fact it would pull like a ligature the lower the baby got?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Their relationship itself comes off as off in my opinion. Everything is all about her and he's just...there. She doesn't even talk about him spending time with Luna. And that's before getting into how their house is a photo studio that they seem to live in. Nothing about them is candid or spontaneous: the Sociopath is the writer, director, and star of her own personal show.

And then there's the fact that she treats Luna more as a prop and accessory to her show than her baby. Like having a baby was a business move rather than a family or personal one. I really want to be wrong on this, but the way she presents everything seems otherwise. Especially since in many ways Luna is, sadly, the idea prop and personal accessory for the image she presents. Luna is too damaged to cry, fuss, or refuse to cooperate for photo time. She just lays there oblivious to being stuffed into costumes, or having a hand dipped in paint and waved around a canvas.


Money from Scott's father would account for some of it, but not everything. Yes the cost of living is cheaper in Kansas, but the wages are less too. A doctor in their small city will be well off, but not nearly enough to cover his own cost of living and the lifestyle of the Hartley's, even with plenty saved up. Unless at one point he practiced in a major city and lived a frugal life so that he could move to the country and live more like a king, and even then I'm not sure. As you said, they had multiple nice vacations every year, and a McMansion, and an expensive hobby for Scott to boot. If it was just one of those things I'd agree that it was all because of Scott's father, but all of it together just doesn't add up.

Empathetic Nutritionist is just creepy af. She seems to think herself the star of some new age reality show. I find people who basically run IG accounts like ad campaigns for their life disturbing. Her commitment to woo came at the cost of her daughter’s life, so it 1000% more disgusting than your average narc. I have a feeling that she still did a home birth with the new baby, even though she lives with the tragic outcome of the first home birth. Other people don’t matter, just her idealized fantasy life.

Luna could also ensure both parents are paid to be her caretaker. A program called IHSS basically pays parents to care for their disabled child. This was how Susan Schofield made bank being a MBP mom. So Luna’s mom causing her to brain to fill with cysts resulted in full time paid work for her and hubby to sit home and play IG influencer. Unfortunately it gives incentive to keep potato kids painfully lingering on since it becomes the family paycheck. I’m not saying it’s a huge paycheck, but given their previous “jobs” it would probably pay a little better than what they had been living on.

As for the Hartleys? Doctors in smaller areas can make huge bucks just like city doctors, all depends on how they run their practice. Smart doctors invest their money and turn it into sizable wealth over the decades. They earn the type of money that allows them to invest in significant stock portfolios or real estate that can make them wealthy.

I have no idea if Scott’s dad gave them money. Could have been Gwen’s family, no idea. Just my best guess as to how they lived a very comfortable lifestyle without either working real jobs and having two disabled kids. Most families with disabled kids tend to struggle financially but the opposite was true with the Hartleys. Scott quit his teaching job with the birth of a second disabled child, which is when most families would have been looking for a second job. Then again the IHSS pays parents to take care of a disabled child, and it has no income requirement, so both Scott and Gwen would have received double payments due to two children if they were part of that program. I can’t imagine it provided enough money to fund their lifestyle but it might of supplemented it extremely well.

It’s all very strange.

 

[AnOminous]

If it was just one of those things I'd agree that it was all because of Scott's father, but all of it together just doesn't add up.

I always thought they were somehow secretly funded by Christfags.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

I have mosaic trisomy 18 in my left tit must now mean its compatible with life (this is why science education is important).

 

[Android raptor]

Time for another trisomy tard story

Shades of Gwen Hartley "how dare those meanie doctors say bad things about my fucked up sprog! Better educate them and show them just how special my miracle is!"


Surprise surprise, the kid still ended up kicking the bucket before age 5. "Rocking life" with two collapsed lungs, an infection, and god knows what else.

 

[booklover]

I follow a youtube channel made by a family who lost a child to Trisomy 13. I'm pretty sure they're Catholic but that's not why they chose to continue the pregnancy; they did it because they wanted to spend as much time as possible with their baby. Their baby, their decision.

She went into labor a few weeks before the due date, and their daughter, their third child, lived 60 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+moran+family

As you can see, they have since had a fourth child, who like the other two is normal and healthy.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I follow a youtube channel made by a family who lost a child to Trisomy 13. I'm pretty sure they're Catholic but that's not why they chose to continue the pregnancy; they did it because they wanted to spend as much time as possible with their baby. Their baby, their decision.

She went into labor a few weeks before the due date, and their daughter, their third child, lived 60 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+moran+family

As you can see, they have since had a fourth child, who like the other two is normal and healthy.

I’m pretty sure if they were Catholic that played a significant role in their decision. It doesn’t get much more anti-abortion than the Catholic “we are even against birth control” Church.

I don’t think most people here have any issue with women who chose to continue a pregnancy despite a devastating diagnosis - it’s the pointless surgeries and artificial means they use to keep the hopeless kids alive and suffering after birth that rubs me the wrong way. I have no problem with women who say they want to follow God’s plan, but that also means not leaving your kid hooked up to a ventilator and feeding tube for entirely futile months and years. Pets get treated with more compassion and mercy than that.

 

[Sketch]

Time for another trisomy tard story
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Shades of Gwen Hartley "how dare those meanie doctors say bad things about my fucked up sprog! Better educate them and show them just how special my miracle is!"
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Surprise surprise, the kid still ended up kicking the bucket before age 5. "Rocking life" with two collapsed lungs, an infection, and god knows what else.

Does she realize that she doesn't need a referral to go to OHSU?
She could literally just call and explain her situation

Also "thrive in this world" aka die slowly and painfully, not knowing anything but pain, misery.
This prolifers are literally more stupid than the brainless creature they poop out of their vaginas.