American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[Random Internet Person]

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I thought the idea was that the economy was surging before COVID reared its head.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I don't understand why the media is covering this impeachment. People don't give a fuck.

It's kind of their job to cover it, as boring as many will find it.

Plus people not giving a fuck might not be so good for Trump seeing as people giving a fuck is one of the main things likely keeping more Republican senators from being willing to vote for his conviction. If they think his supports will basically shrug at Trump being disqualified from holding any government office again, enough of them might decide they can go ahead and permanently oust him with little repercussion.

So it's kind of in everyone's interest for the news about this to be front page. Senators have a better chance at gauging the public's response, and supporters of either side are better able to stay informed and express their opinions to their senator.


On a separate note, it occurred to me the best outcome for the Republicans would be if another 5-6 senators vote to convict Trump. Going from 5 senators voting to debate the constitutionality of this impeachment trial, to 6 senators voting for the constitutionality, to 10-12 senators voting to convict Trump would look a lot better for them. Not only would it make it not a party lines vote, but Republicans can point to the increasing number of Republican senators voting against Trump as "proof" that they did abide by the constitutionality vote, and that they did fairly consider the case against him - it's just that not enough of them found it convincing enough to convict him. Sure the Democrats wouldn't believe them, but it'd still make it harder for the Democrats to use it against the Republicans.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Hold on hold on a second

A big talking point is how Trump should have pardoned his supporters who got in trouble -

Now I don't disagree that Trump kinda flopped at the end, but I don't begrudge him that even if I might (?) have acted differently. If you haven't risked your freedom and everything you own to go up against globohomo, then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

But back to the pardoning thing. Aren't pardons done after conviction? Was it even possible for Trump to pardon people that had just had charges filed? That's more like some kind of immunity than a pardon, and Trump had less than 2 weeks left when the first charges rolled in. Basically, is it possible to pardon people for non-adjudicated crimes, or is this some kind of tard meme?

I'm pretty grossed out by the people Trump DID pardon, but as far as pardoning the protesters goes, it seems counterintuitive that he'd even be able to do so.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

It's kind of their job to cover it, as boring as many will find it.

Plus people not giving a fuck might not be so good for Trump seeing as people giving a fuck is one of the main things likely keeping more Republican senators from being willing to vote for his conviction. If they think his supports will basically shrug at Trump being disqualified from holding any government office again, enough of them might decide they can go ahead and permanently oust him with little repercussion.

So it's kind of in everyone's interest for the news about this to be front page. Senators have a better chance at gauging the public's response, and supporters of either side are better able to stay informed and express their opinions to their senator.


On a separate note, it occurred to me the best outcome for the Republicans would be if another 5-6 senators vote to convict Trump. Going from 5 senators voting to debate the constitutionality of this impeachment trial, to 6 senators voting for the constitutionality, to 10-12 senators voting to convict Trump would look a lot better for them. Not only would it make it not a party lines vote, but Republicans can point to the increasing number of Republican senators voting against Trump as "proof" that they did abide by the constitutionality vote, and that they did fairly consider the case against him - it's just that not enough of them found it convincing enough to convict him. Sure the Democrats wouldn't believe them, but it'd still make it harder for the Democrats to use it against the Republicans.

They do that and large portions of their voter base abandon them en masse. I know that means fucking nothing on the federal level, but they need them if they want to maintain any regional control.

 

[Humble Shitpost Merchant]

The Republicans don't give a shit either, Mitch already voted to call the whole thing off and the Republicans understand that turning on Trump is political suicide.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Hold on hold on a second

A big talking point is how Trump should have pardoned his supporters who got in trouble -

Now I don't disagree that Trump kinda flopped at the end, but I don't begrudge him that even if I might (?) have acted differently. If you haven't risked your freedom and everything you own to go up against globohomo, then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

But back to the pardoning thing. Aren't pardons done after conviction? Was it even possible for Trump to pardon people that had just had charges filed? That's more like some kind of immunity than a pardon, and Trump had less than 2 weeks left when the first charges rolled in. Basically, is it possible to pardon people for non-adjudicated crimes, or is this some kind of tard meme?

I'm pretty grossed out by the people Trump DID pardon, but as far as pardoning the protesters goes, it seems counterintuitive that he'd even be able to do so.

Even if they did, they would claim he's harboring them

 

[Pickle Dick]

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dude, no one will ever be worse than hitler. hitler is just the worst, no one can ever top him.

 

[ForTheHoard]

dude, no one will ever be worse than hitler. hitler is just the worst, no one can ever top him.

There's been a lot of people worse than Hitler and at least half of them were Asian or North African.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I thought the idea was that the economy was surging before COVID reared its head.

It's still pretty good even with COVID in effect.

The unemployment rate at the end of Trump's first term - with widespread lockdowns and travel restrictions - was still lower than the unemployment rate at the end of Barack's first term. Think about that one for a second. Of course, unemployment in January 2020 was still the lowest it's been in over 20 years, but Trump's economy was pretty awesome even considering the COVID bullshit.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

There's been a lot of people worse than Hitler and at least half of them were Asian or North African.

WOOF WOOF WOOF RACIST ALERT

 

[Meat Target]

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I love how the same people who were spitting on Vietnam veterans and praising draft-dodgers and hippies as heroes 50 years ago are now calling Trump a coward for dodging the draft. Alas, it's okay when they do it.

 

[Humble Shitpost Merchant]

I love how the same people who were spitting on Vietnam veterans and praising draft-dodgers and hippies as heroes 50 years ago are now calling Trump a coward for dodging the draft. Alas, it's okay when they do it.

They don't have have convictions, they don't care about policy. Biden can rape and they'll support it. They just want their favorite sports team to win the trophy.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

I'm of the party that believes this Impeachment 2.0 is a farce and an injustice against Trump as well as a testament to the Establishment's petty vindictiveness.

Nevertheless, I'm actually hoping Trump gets convicted. Even though I voted for him in this past election cycle, I cannot forgive him for leading the most enthusiastic portion of his base into an obvious trap; it's almost as if Trump was secretly on the Democrats' side the whole time (no surprise considering who the guests of honor were in his third marriage).

Plus a sham conviction from a sham impeachment by this kangaroo-court-on-meth will solidify in the American Right the reality of total systemic breakdown and they'll be forced to pepper their anguses for a post-USA reality.

 

[Meat Target]

They don't have have convictions, they don't care about policy. Biden can rape and they'll support it. They just want their favorite sports team to win the trophy.

The Right hamstrings themselves not so much out of cowardice or deliberate acceptance of being controlled opposition, but because they (naively) think everyone will play nice and by the rules as long as they do.

The Left has no such constraints. When was the last time you saw Democrats give conservatives the benefit of the doubt simply because it was the right, legal, or constitutional thing to do?

...(Jeopardy music)...

In liberals' eyes, your rights and concerns end where their feelings and appetite for power begin. They cannot comprehend the concept that they could be wrong. Ergo, the ends justify the means.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Aren't pardons done after conviction? Was it even possible for Trump to pardon people that had just had charges filed?

Nope. Ford's pardon of Nixon, for example, rested neither on charges nor convictions. You can preemptively pardon specific people on specific, potential, future-case charges for things they did during or before your tenure as president.

The pardon is very stupid and should be done away with, but the only thing stopping Trump from pardoning the mooks who were there was a) getting info on their names (even this is debatable, he may have been able to broadly pardon 'anyone who was at the capitol building on such and such a date')... and getting through all that hard, hard work of pardoning white-collar criminals, particularly those who scammed his followers out of money.

no one can ever top him.

I like a good challenge

It's still pretty good even with COVID in effect.

The unemployment rate at the end of Trump's first term - with widespread lockdowns and travel restrictions - was still lower than the unemployment rate at the end of Barack's first term. Think about that one for a second. Of course, unemployment in January 2020 was still the lowest it's been in over 20 years, but Trump's economy was pretty awesome even considering the COVID bullshit.

Whoops, missed this one.

Unemployment is a fucking garbage statistic, stop using it. Unemployment is "people actively looking for work who are not currently employed." Doesn't count people who are welfare hounds, who have given up looking - little more important. Use this, the labor force participation rate. Our number is not good. Lots of idle people not drawing income.

Gains in the stock market and GDP do not reflect the broader health of the country, and haven't for a while. Job numbers are a good metric, and in fairness, Trump's job numbers were overall good - but they were still taking us back up out of the 2008 hole in that regard. Trump's economy was great only in that Obama's was worse; otherwise there was a global economic uptick around 2015 that saw every single country have a nice little bloom, and then you had jobs-market optimism when Trump comes in. Prettymuch the instant he started his retarded trade war, those numbers started to worsen.

He still manages to finish better than Obama, but I wouldn't say any of his policies were particularly smart, pro-market policies. A lot of the environmental regulation he cut is also the 'don't dump mercury in the fucking drinking water' level of stuff.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

After this failed impeachment, does America have any hope w/ congress + senate passing 4 (or more) years of agenda besides the war that probably won't happen?

 

[DeadFish]

Im thinkinf this impeachment is smoke screen for gun bills or other such non sense

 

[Aldeland]

Im thinkinf this impeachment is smoke screen for gun bills or other such non sense

Naw, just a distraction from that 2000 they promised. This is the new shiny keys getting shaken in the face of the populace.

 

[Random Internet Person]

After this failed impeachment, does America have any hope w/ congress + senate passing 4 (or more) years of agenda besides the war that probably won't happen?

There wasn't any ope in Congress before this. If anything, the question is which pet project will be passed first.

The Right hamstrings themselves not so much out of cowardice or deliberate acceptance of being controlled opposition, but because they (naively) think everyone will play nice and by the rules as long as they do.

The Left has no such constraints. When was the last time you saw Democrats give conservatives the benefit of the doubt simply because it was the right, legal, or constitutional thing to do?

...(Jeopardy music)...

In liberals' eyes, your rights and concerns end where their feelings and appetite for power begin. They cannot comprehend the concept that they could be wrong. Ergo, the ends justify the means.

So what do you think the next Minecraft build will be that the left will unleash from the right, either from politicians or supporters? Reeducation camps? Tribunals to old Trumpists accountable? Reporting MAGA people to camps with people bragging about being collaborators?China taking a more direct approach to their American interests? China coming in and announcing that America is now a constituent republic/administrative unit/colony? Antifa types acting on their hatred of MAGA and/or testing what they could get away with in terms of going after MAGA people and Trump himself as long as it makes for good optics/PR or goes along with the approved narrative, up to and including thing like Columbine, Christchurch, Columbia, or Oklahoma City?

 

[Humble Shitpost Merchant]

After this failed impeachment, does America have any hope w/ congress + senate passing 4 (or more) years of agenda besides the war that probably won't happen?

It's a kiss of death for anything being done legislatively, an arrangement that suits Democrat politicians just fine but unfortunately not many Democrat voters.