Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Bixnood]

First of all, a preemptive disclaimer here, despite the name I am not a TERF. I wanted a name that was catchy and didn't reveal anything about myself

Troonism is all about reinforcing gender roles, just divorcing themself from sex (though some of the more obnoxious and obviously fetishistic troons do have weird, complicated views of these things). Blaming gender critical feminists for that sort of thing doesn't make sense, gender critical feminists recognize that gender is tied to sex, but they also recognize gender as being inherently harmful.

I disagree I have seen plenty of posts by troons claiming to have euphoria from blurring the lines of gender and sex.
There are also the enbie's, troonisms less disgusting cousin, whose whole gimmick is line stepping.

Anyway this isn't the place for this, this thread is about genital mutilation.
If you want we can make big brained Neanderthal verses gender critical women thread, but I am a lazy insincere person and I will devolve in to shit posting as soon as I get bored.

Also can people please stop rating me dumb when I am clearly right.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

They played their part in breaking down gender roles. they fostered third wave feminism and the culture of silent tolerance.
Also the sex positive attitude has only brought the darker aspects of human sexuality to the surface.

Also I hate women.

Second wave radfems (the RF in TERF) have never been sex positive or considered troons women. You're thinking of liberal feminists from the third wave and beyond who typically still support trannies.

 

[Vaclav]

How did they make troons?

Radical feminism didn't create transgenderism per se but it also has roots in critical theory and likewise has many beliefs that fly in the face of reality. For example:

• The Duluth model of domestic violence, under which a man can only be a perpetrator and a woman can only be a victim.
• Affirmative consent laws and the Dept. of Education's "dear colleague" letter, which create a guilty until proven innocent standard for claims of sexual assault, expecting that couples ask each other permission for each individual sex act, which is not how sex has ever worked.
• Persistent claims of a "wage gap" when it's illegal to pay people differently on the basis of sex and wage differences are mainly attributable to womens' lack of interest in certain career paths.
• Claims such as "all porn is violent," "all sex workers are trafficked or coerced" and "1 in 4 women attending college are raped."

Simply put, for a long time the feminist movement was happy to enshrine emotion-driven narratives over testable facts, in the same way that the transgender lobby does. Feminism, LGBT advocacy and other "liberatory" movements of the 20th century all have links to postmodern thinking and have all reinforced each other to an extent.

What has turned the TERFs away from this path is the sudden invasion of womens' spaces and activities by insane men who play the critical theory game better than they did. It's a classic case of the revolution eating its own children. Now they're focused on facts because the facts are clearly on their side in the transgender debate - but when you ask them, most of them still support things like affirmative consent laws.

 

[Schatzi Katze]

Theoretically an enby could simply identify as non-binary and not decide that this needs to define their fashion choices (or vice versa), but even in these cases they aren't really fighting against the idea of gender roles in general, just for themselves in particular which doesn't really do anything in terms of abolishing the concept of gender, it just treats it as a personal choice when gender critical would say that being able to ignore society's gender roles is a privilege that not everyone has.

Well, that's what the trans discourse all comes down to doesn't it? It's all about co-opting previous movements of solidarity amongst oppressed classes to go "but what about ME specifically!??". Trans folks act like they are part of this unified movement but when you get down to it, they really only give a shit about themselves. Being non-binary is just an extension of the same self-centered labeling. They're just trans people who realized they didn't want to fully commit to being the "other" gender as dictated by society, but still want to be seen as special somehow. In my experience they are way more insufferable than trans folks who just want to live a stealth life and not be bothered. Enby is what you call yourself after the high of being trans wears off and you need to keep the normies on their toes by switching up your name and pronouns every few months.

I absolutely agree with you that what any non-gender conforming folks should be striving for is the abolition of traditional gender roles or appearances as a whole. But if that happens then the genderspecials wouldn't be special anymore and they cant have that now can they?

(e: added brief commentary on abolishing gender)

 

[KifflomKween]

I absolutely agree with you that what any non-gender conforming folks should be striving for is the abolition of traditional gender roles or appearances as a whole. But if that happens then the genderspecials wouldn't be special anymore and they cant have that now can they?

Weird isn't it? I used to think the whole gender alternative stuff was aboit abolishing gender roles, apparently it isn't, it's about either swapping the sexes (trans) or staying in a perpetual agendered child like asexuality (enbys and similar) or sexualizing children. Turning men into women and vice versa and adults into children and vice versa. It's like you are allowed to be anything but your "biological role", or transceng any if that crap.

In other words, it's not about destroying the system but about making a new one where everything is upside down but is equally totalitarian. What a mindfuck.

 

[Schatzi Katze]

Weird isn't it? I used to think the whole gender alternative stuff was aboit abolishing gender roles, apparently it isn't, it's about either swapping the sexes (trans) or staying in a perpetual agendered child like asexuality (enbys and similar) or sexualizing children. Turning men into women and vice versa and adults into children and vice versa. It's like you are allowed to be anything but your "biological role", or transceng any if that crap.

In other words, it's not about destroying the system but about making a new one where everything is upside down but is equally totalitarian. What a mindfuck.

Yeah. Hopefully its not too much of a power level but when I started thinking about gender more due to all this nonsense becoming more mainstream I was like "yeah I guess I don't feel like any gender, I guess that means I'm non-binary..?", but very quickly realized that's still essentially just putting yourself into a third "miscellaneous" gender box and decided to disregard the idea of gender entirely on a personal level.

Unfortunately, as with race, just because gender is a social construct does not mean it doesn't have a significant (largely negative) societal impact that still needs to be addressed, reconciled, and abolished, and transgender lobby is either willfully ignoring or blissfully ignorant of the fact that they are simply perpetuating the sociological framework they claim to be disrupting lol.

Sorry for the slight thread derail. I will say I'm all for bodily autonomy and body modification so long as it is done with informed consent, but as this thread well shows trans people are actively being lied to and giving their bodies over to be literally experimented on and I genuinely feel sorry for the folks who end up with horrific results. How much you wanna bet any of those folks who kill themselves as a result of botches surgeries end up in that 41% statistic other trans people try to use against anyone trying to prevent people from doing those surgeries in the first place?

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

How much you wanna bet any of those folks who kill themselves as a result of botches surgeries end up in that 41% statistic other trans people try to use against anyone trying to prevent people from doing those surgeries in the first place?

IIRC, the suicide rate tends to go up after SRS, probably because... well, you've seen the pictures. If I had to choose between living with a necrotizing stink ditch/flesh tube or killing myself, I'd faster kill myself because the pain (both psychological and physical) must be unbearable at a certain point. They are, undoubtedly, using the suicides of post-SRS trans people to further their agenda.

 

[Putin Bot]

I was browsing r/Transgender_Surgeries and came upon this post:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/comments/lh4uzr/1_year_post_op_vaginoplasty_done_at_the_crane/

He went to the Crane Center, and had Dr. Santucci do his surgery. Now, he does have his legs closed, so his neovag doesn't seem so bad:

Spoiler: Legs closed

However, he also posted a link in the comments of what it looks like after dilating and...

Spoiler: NSFL

How they think this is a good result is beyond me. The placement of it makes it look like it's way high up, and it looks like he still has his ballsack underneath it.

The comments of course are all praising it, and saying they hope their neovag will turn out just as good as this one.

And remember SharkBoy? He got corrective surgery on his stinkditch and he still hates and regrets it. Of course, the comments are all "oh I'd have never guessed it wasn't the real deal!" type shit and "it looks better than real vaginas!"
I really think that SharkBoy will end up 41%ing himself.

Spoiler: SharkBoy Corrective Surgery

 

[papaya]

IIRC, the suicide rate tends to go up after SRS, probably because... well, you've seen the pictures. If I had to choose between living with a necrotizing stink ditch/flesh tube or killing myself, I'd faster kill myself because the pain (both psychological and physical) must be unbearable at a certain point. They are, undoubtedly, using the suicides of post-SRS trans people to further their agenda.

The Belgians literally authorized euthanasia for a post op FTM, Nathan Verhelst.

Belgian helped to die after three sex change operations

A transsexual is helped to die by doctors in Belgium, after a series of failed sex-change operations.

www.bbc.com

I can't find it online for free, but the documentary about Verhelst's life and death ("Nathan - Free as a Bird") is absolutely worth the watch, it's haunting.
Verhelst's whole life is one big blackpill/peaking material. Born the only daughter in her family, with several brothers, was treated like absolute garbage by the mother (who clearly never wanted a daughter).
European psychologists, when presented with a woman who was abused her whole life for being female and expresses a strong desire to live as a man decide the appropriate course of action is to affirm "Yes, you were supposed to be a man".
Surgery goes horribly because nobody gives a fuck about FTMs so it's botched. This pitiful person then goes to the doctor assisted euthanasia people saying they want to die and the doctors are like "Yup, sounds like a good case of somebody who we should help kill themselves".

The whole thing is one of the most depressing true stories I've ever heard and now that I know about it you all have to, too. How do this many medical professionals fail a patient this badly.

This is how the mother reacted:

When I first saw ‘Nancy,’ my dream was shattered. She was so ugly... I had a ghost birth. Her death does not bother me.
[...]
For me, this chapter closed. Her death does not bother me. I feel no sorrow, no doubt or remorse. We never had a bond which could therefore not be broken.

 

[NerdShamer]

"Give the kids their hormones because they know themselves better than anyone else does."

 

[LurkNoMore]

This is how the mother reacted:

God, what a trash mom. Fucking hell. How do you not love your own child!

 

[JY's Tampon]

Jonathan Yaniv Tweeted his supposed mangina to Philadelphia GRS surgeon, Laura Douglass.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/jys-tweets-and-other-social-media.58834/post-8322291

 

[NerdShamer]

Jonathan Yaniv Tweeted his supposed mangina to Philadelphia GRS surgeon, Laura Douglass.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/jys-tweets-and-other-social-media.58834/post-8322291

Well, there goes my dinner...

 

[Schatzi Katze]

IIRC, the suicide rate tends to go up after SRS, probably because... well, you've seen the pictures. If I had to choose between living with a necrotizing stink ditch/flesh tube or killing myself, I'd faster kill myself because the pain (both psychological and physical) must be unbearable at a certain point. They are, undoubtedly, using the suicides of post-SRS trans people to further their agenda.

Do you have any references for this? Not trying to be rude, just curious to read such a study.

"Give the kids their hormones because they know themselves better than anyone else does."

"Sure we dont trust kids with alcohol or cigarettes or voting or tattoos or sex or going to war, but im sure they will all make intelligent and well-informed decisions about unnecessary experimental medical treatments that permenantly alter their body!"

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

The Belgians literally authorized euthanasia for a post op FTM, Nathan Verhelst.

Belgian helped to die after three sex change operations

A transsexual is helped to die by doctors in Belgium, after a series of failed sex-change operations.

www.bbc.com

[...]

The whole thing is one of the most depressing true stories I've ever heard and now that I know about it you all have to, too. How do this many medical professionals fail a patient this badly.

This is how the mother reacted:

It's a terrible story. I absolutely believe granting euthanasia was the right thing to do because Nathan was suffering 24/7 and he would have ended it anyway, and a soft death was the only kindness they ever got in life. But there should have been intervention much sooner, and everyone involved with granting this person SRS should be in prison.

The mother is proof that pure evil actually does exist., so maybe there will be a hell she can burn in forever.

Jonathan Yaniv Tweeted his supposed mangina to Philadelphia GRS surgeon, Laura Douglass.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/jys-tweets-and-other-social-media.58834/post-8322291

Horrible. But please be real.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

How they think this is a good result is beyond me. The placement of it makes it look like it's way high up, and it looks like he still has his ballsack underneath it.

This operation must have been performed in the mayor's office in CWCville.

 

[Vaclav]

Unfortunately I am a video-embedding SPED, so maybe someone can help with archiving/ time stamping this video.

In part 4 of the film 'Dysphoric' there is a section where FtM detransitioners talk about the problems they had getting lawyers to take cases. It's at 13.45. Quite interesting.

Thanks, the accounts from those detransitioners are really interesting.

Much like a lawyer can't write a contract that says "you can't sue me for malpractice," a doctor can't either. Professionals are held to a standard of objective reasonableness. While this generally means you need another doctor/lawyer/professional to testify against them that they failed to uphold the standards of their profession, it also means you can't just write your way out of liability, no matter how thick your stack of bullshit disclaimers.

This rampant quackery and butchery is a cyst of liability. Eventually, the floodgates will burst. This shit could be the new asbestos.

There was like one study. And that drug has absolutely awful side effects.

Long-term suicide rates are no better after the surgery.

So here's what I'm finding. In order for a victim of a "gender clinic" to get justice, they'll need 1) a legal team and 2) expert witnesses, at least one doctor and preferably a psychologist as well, the more than that the better. These people must be willing to stand up to the trans movement and every institution they've infested. As soon as any lawsuit gets filed, they're guaranteed to be targeted with a tidal wave of rage from insane people who have nothing better to do.

So basically you need to find a bunch of credentialed professionals with careers who are willing to lay it all on the line, risk social ostracism and never working in their field again to expose the truth. And if the case turned out to have any legs at all, I suspect the advocacy orgs would pool a large amount of money to offer an out of court settlement in return for never speaking of it again.

The situation reminds me of the movie "The Insider." It's a true story about a chemist who was fired from a tobacco company and then went on to testify in court as well as giving an interview on 60 Minutes where he said that yes, nicotine is a drug, it's addictive and the tobacco industry knows this. This was back in the 90s and until that time, the industry stubbornly maintained that nicotine was not addictive and people were filling their lungs with tar because "they just can't get enough of our smooth flavor." This testimony led eventually to the massive multibillion dollar lawsuits against the cigarette companies.

It's another case where everyone knew something was fishy but powerful institutions had a vested interest in denying it until someone with unimpeachable credentials was willing to speak out. Only this time the opposing force has its tendrils in all the media and the highest levels of government so it's going to be even more of an uphill battle.

Still, I suspect the trans movement made a serious mistake with its targeting of children; when the consequences of all the puberty blockers and hormones are felt in the coming years there's going to be a huge number of people wanting payback from the gender industry.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

The Belgians literally authorized euthanasia for a post op FTM, Nathan Verhelst.

Belgian helped to die after three sex change operations

A transsexual is helped to die by doctors in Belgium, after a series of failed sex-change operations.

www.bbc.com

I can't find it online for free, but the documentary about Verhelst's life and death ("Nathan - Free as a Bird") is absolutely worth the watch, it's haunting.
Verhelst's whole life is one big blackpill/peaking material. Born the only daughter in her family, with several brothers, was treated like absolute garbage by the mother (who clearly never wanted a daughter).
European psychologists, when presented with a woman who was abused her whole life for being female and expresses a strong desire to live as a man decide the appropriate course of action is to affirm "Yes, you were supposed to be a man".
Surgery goes horribly because nobody gives a fuck about FTMs so it's botched. This pitiful person then goes to the doctor assisted euthanasia people saying they want to die and the doctors are like "Yup, sounds like a good case of somebody who we should help kill themselves".

The whole thing is one of the most depressing true stories I've ever heard and now that I know about it you all have to, too. How do this many medical professionals fail a patient this badly.

This is how the mother reacted:

That article is only from 2013 and it deadnames her, says "born a girl", and points out that the parents wanted a boy. You'd be literally Hitler for saying any one of those things only a few short years later.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

That article is only from 2013 and it deadnames her, says "born a girl", and points out that the parents wanted a boy. You'd be literally Hitler for saying any one of those things only a few short years later.

This person suffered terrible abuse

 

[Yeeted Teet]

This person suffered terrible abuse

Yes, it's a very sad story and a lot of the people in these threads have similar ones but you're not allowed talk about them realistically anymore.