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[Terrifik]

Sorry that it hurts you that your daddy lost the trade war.

Again, lack of supporting evidence does not help your argument Mr. Bollea.

here the evidence that

Customs filings plunged in February due to the shutdown of Chinese exports following the initial outbreak in Wuhan. They rose through March and the first three weeks of April as Chinese exporters reopened and caught up with delayed U.S. orders.

The lockdown of U.S. businesses caused orders to be canceled. That caused container shipping alliances to “blank,” or cancel, about 20% of China-U.S. sailings in May and June. Customs filings fell sharply in late April and through the first half of May.

Then China-U.S. volumes started to rebound in the back half of May. Carriers began “unblanking” previously canceled sailings and adding “extra loaders” (nonscheduled sailings). On Monday, ZIM announced a new fast-transit (12-day) China-Los Angeles service launching June 22. The service will “cater to the increasing needs of ecommerce customers, especially now due to growing ecommerce demand following the COVID-19 crisis.”

U.S. customs filings jumped by a third in the last week of May, driven by imports from China. This could be evidence of renewed consumer demand following the reopening of state economies. Or it could be evidence of importers being concerned about U.S-China relations and front-loading shipments — or both.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/remember-the-trade-war-its-back-and-at-risk-of-heating-up

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

China numbah wan! No need to back up arguments with figures or citations, that's something evil Capitalist racist do.

I wouldn't say it did better than it ever did under Trump, but it did effectively the same as it always has in terms of GDP. (I still hate GDP as a metric, but this is where it's sortof useful)

Chyna 10-yr, US 10-yr. Absolute sizes don't matter; the US's economy is bigger so 1% uppies are tremendous. The trump trade war begins around 2018 or so, and you can see that both countries get dinged - but China crawls back up to where it was, while the US stays below the previous watermark. Almost everything after Q1 2020 can be ignored for the purposes of the trade war, though, as that's when coof begins.

China did expand into foreign policy regions that the US admin had abandoned the field to over the course of 2016-2020, however, excepting that of conflict moderation. Russia attempted to do that in Syria and Libya, to pretty poor results.

 

[soy_king]

I wouldn't say it did better than it ever did under Trump, but it did effectively the same as it always has in terms of GDP. (I still hate GDP as a metric, but this is where it's sortof useful)

Chyna 10-yr, US 10-yr. Absolute sizes don't matter; the US's economy is bigger so 1% uppies are tremendous. The trump trade war begins around 2018 or so, and you can see that both countries get dinged - but China crawls back up to where it was, while the US stays below the previous watermark. Almost everything after Q1 2020 can be ignored for the purposes of the trade war, though, as that's when coof begins.

China did expand into foreign policy regions that the US admin had abandoned the field to over the course of 2016-2020, however, excepting that of conflict moderation. Russia attempted to do that in Syria and Libya, to pretty poor results.

My problem with Chinese metrics generally is that they're so massaged that it's hard to believe their numbers are accurate, but I do agree with you about GDP not being an entirely accurate metric. I would say though that the sanctions on individuals connected to atrocities committed by the CPC definitely impacted their bottom line, and they were hit pretty badly by their own petty tariffs on US foodstuffs, but the fact that Huawei was for a time excluded from the Western infrastructure was definitely a sore spot and impacted them significantly.

I would generally disagree that the US abandoned foreign policy regions over the course of the Trump administration. If anything, the State Department became far more aggressive in creating a regional network of allies to hold back the Chinese, and was much more confrontational regarding the South China Sea. Pompeo may have been a bloviating jackass at times but he was pretty solid when it came to combatting the Chinese.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Again, lack of supporting evidence does not help your argument Mr. Bollea.

It's pretty obvious. China just instead decided to do business with other countries while Trump shit his pants and did nothing.

 

[soy_king]

It's pretty obvious. China just instead decided to do business with other countries while Trump shit his pants and did nothing.

Yep, it's really quite so obvious that China simply started doing business with other nations because of Orange Man.

53 Nations Commit to Excluding Untrusted 5G Vendors From Their Networks

Brazil, Ecuador, and the Dominican Republic last week joined the U.S-led Clean Network initiative meant to ensure that ...

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Hard to believe that Joe Biden’s inauguration will almost be over a month ago, come next week. I’ve been reading and hearing more about the millions of jobs being gone and lost , almost 700,000+ dead victims of the Coronavirus, transgender policies designed to harm women, claiming to want unity despite majority of the mainstream media and government owned by DNC and progressives calling everyone a version of Hitler and Biden’s Administration lying about stimulus package payments while giving more leeway to illegal aliens/foreigners than actual Americans.

If this is considered the “good ol’ days”, then I’m still wondering when the “good” part comes into play.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

My problem with Chinese metrics generally is that they're so massaged that it's hard to believe their numbers are accurate

Yeah, they pump up a lot of industries like construction to arbitrarily hit their central targets. It takes a lot to dig into, but you can find the rough 'truth' of their numbers by looking at how it breaks down across industries, the debt their central government holds, and things that I'd need to be getting paid for as an economist to get a 'true' metric for, but that's a part of why I didn't want to emphasize their overall numbers. Everyone knows they probably aren't hitting 6%, but it's moreso that you do see a dip after the trade war and then it rises back up.

Huawei was for a time excluded from the Western infrastructure was definitely a sore spot and impacted them significantly.

This one and the Trump admin's 5g efforts are the actually big hits of their admin against China. I somewhat decouple it from the tradewar stuff because it wasn't necessarily based on "they're screwing us over economically" like his steel or soybeans items, and more because of genuine security concerns.

If anything, the State Department became far more aggressive in creating a regional network of allies to hold back the Chinese, and was much more confrontational regarding the South China Sea. Pompeo may have been a bloviating jackass at times but he was pretty solid when it came to combatting the Chinese.

In terms of regional military security, it's column a & column b. The Trump admin's dedication to the region was well-received, and it made some efforts to coordinate more regional opposition to Chinese initiatives. However, outside of Japan (which already hated China for the Senkaku Islands dispute), and India (which hates them for the border clashes), the Trump admin may have had the wrong approach in the right direction. Forcing powers like Vietnam or Korea to choose between China OR the US was a bit too strongarmed, and even during the Cold War wasn't the best policy of west-warm but technically-neutral powers. This story goes a little into the details of why a harsh-but-not-binary strategy may yield better results.

Nevertheless, the Trump admin does deserve credit for sounding the horn on China, however imperfectly. Clinton may have, but it's unclear; the Uighurs were being covered during the Obama admin, even by the glowies at Radio Free Asia, and his administration didn't do much. It's reasonable to believe Clinton may have also done little, but the Biden admin thusfar has stuck to the starker tone of "genocide" for the Uighurs, which is a good sign.

53 Nations Commit to Excluding Untrusted 5G Vendors From Their Networks

Brazil, Ecuador, and the Dominican Republic last week joined the U.S-led Clean Network initiative meant to ensure that ...

www.theepochtimes.com

I don't really see an issue with this article itself, but for completeness' sake I just want to mention that epoch times is a falun gong outlet which always has an anti-china spin, so it can sometimes be good to grab a more 'neutral' source like ap or reuters that repeats the same thing to waterproof your gist from that charge. Trump admin did good on 5g

 

[Spiteful Crow]

Sorry that it hurts you that your daddy lost the trade war.

Look at you rooting against America like a true faggot. What happened Hulkster? You used to be so cool and then you started chugging soy.

You've spent months in here power sperging about how much you hate America and mommy and daddy too. We get it. Start coming up with new material because it's getting stale.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Look at you rooting against America like a true faggot. What happened Hulkster? You used to be so cool and then you started chugging soy.

You've spent months in here power sperging about how much you hate America and mommy and daddy too. We get it. Start coming up with new material because it's getting stale.

I love America, which is why I wanted that retard Trump out of office. All he did was hurt America and help our enemies. I might ask why do you love Trump more than you love America?

 

[Spiteful Crow]

We really need a rating for ranting soyboys.

 

[Reporterward]

Are the Lefty trolls so tired of #WINNING after RidenwithBiden that they’re still Cope trolling a month after his inauguration?
You think they’d be lauding his legislative accomplishments like...
Oh gosh...
Joe, no!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

We really need a rating for ranting soyboys.

We need a rating for simps for 75 year old conmen

 

[soy_king]

Yeah, they pump up a lot of industries like construction to arbitrarily hit their central targets. It takes a lot to dig into, but you can find the rough 'truth' of their numbers by looking at how it breaks down across industries, the debt their central government holds, and things that I'd need to be getting paid for as an economist to get a 'true' metric for, but that's a part of why I didn't want to emphasize their overall numbers. Everyone knows they probably aren't hitting 6%, but it's moreso that you do see a dip after the trade war and then it rises back up.

Yeah I guess that's fair, and frankly I don't know enough about economics to make a strong argument, but it does seem like the PRC was economically impacted by the trade war in a way that would push them to support a candidate who would remove the tariffs. I can't make an argument as to who was impacted more us or them, but I am definitely skeptical of anyone who blanketly says that they were completely fine without any evidence and solely as a way to own their ideological opposition.

This one and the Trump admin's 5g efforts are the actually big hits of their admin against China. I somewhat decouple it from the tradewar stuff because it wasn't necessarily based on "they're screwing us over economically" like his steel or soybeans items, and more because of genuine security concerns.

That's fair, but I personally think it's better to view the trade war as one of the many implements the administration used to attempt to rein in China and get them to play fair. Whether that was 100% effective is debatable, but it's unbelievably stupid for the current administration to entirely cuck out and surrender those trump cards for literally nothing more than a promise from these disingenuous fucks to play nice moving forward.

onal military security, it's column a & column b. The Trump admin's dedication to the region was well-received, and it made some efforts to coordinate more regional opposition to Chinese initiatives. However, outside of Japan (which already hated China for the Senkaku Islands dispute), and India (which hates them for the border clashes), the Trump admin may have had the wrong approach in the right direction. Forcing powers like Vietnam or Korea to choose between China OR the US was a bit too strongarmed, and even during the Cold War wasn't the best policy of west-warm but technically-neutral powers. This story goes a little into the details of why a harsh-but-not-binary strategy may yield better results.

I'll give the Obama admin credit where it's due that they had the right idea on bolstering the Asian allies against China, but they did it in the most retarded manner and with a solely neoliberal focus. Trump's policy was essentially the cranking up to 11 of previous State Department policy but discarding the emphasis on globalism and enriching the mega corporations, while at the same time taking more affirmative steps than the strongly worded letters both Obama did and Biden seems to be doing now. Republican administrations have as a whole much better foreign policy compared to Democrats, and that's including Bush 43's horrendous foreign policy.

Nevertheless, the Trump admin does deserve credit for sounding the horn on China, however imperfectly. Clinton may have, but it's unclear; the Uighurs were being covered during the Obama admin, even by the glowies at Radio Free Asia, and his administration didn't do much. It's reasonable to believe Clinton may have also done little, but the Biden admin thusfar has stuck to the starker tone of "genocide" for the Uighurs, which is a good sign.

Clinton's biggest failure was that by granting China most favored nation status under the mistaken belief that they'd democratize (while lining the Neolibs' pockets), we essentially fueled their economic growth and subsequent military expansion. This was definitely assisted by Dianne Feinstein's personal connections with then-Premier Jiang Zemin.

I don't really see an issue with this article itself, but for completeness' sake I just want to mention that epoch times is a falun gong outlet which always has an anti-china spin, so it can sometimes be good to grab a more 'neutral' source like ap or reuters that repeats the same thing to waterproof your gist from that charge. Trump admin did good on 5g

Definitely fair to disclose the Falun Gong bias of Epoch Times, but for what it's worth I find them to be somewhat more honest than their opponents, e.g. SCMP and People's Daily, or even the shitty US agitprop that is the Washington Post or NYT. I'm personally wary of Reuters nowadays because they've been afflicted with TDS fairly badly, as has the AP.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

PRC was economically impacted by the trade war in a way that would push them to support a candidate who would remove the tariffs.

There's little doubt that China preferred Biden over Trump electorally, it's just dubious as to what impact that necessarily had. Similarly, there's little doubt that Russia preferred Trump, but it's dubious as to what effect that really had. They were covered disparately by the mass-media, yes, but that's just going to be how it goes.

it's unbelievably stupid for the current administration to entirely cuck out and surrender those trump cards for literally nothing more than a promise from these disingenuous fucks to play nice moving forward.

If they do so, yes. Removing the EO-'d tariffs isn't the end of the world, though, since they never were seen to have lasting bite given they weren't approved via the Congress. But like I said, the secretary of state maintaining that China is guilty of genocide is generally a good sign here - China's mad about it.

I'll give the Obama admin credit where it's due that they had the right idea on bolstering the Asian allies against China, but they did it in the most retarded manner and with a solely neoliberal focus.

The Obama admin's 'pivot to asia' was indeed mostly based on economic concerns and their fairly dunderheaded belief that they could use diplomacy and trade to get what they want even as China kept fucking around in the SCS. If the Trump admin has been a little too 'us or them,' the Obama admin was far too light-footed to assure any of our regional partners.

Clinton's biggest failure was that by granting China most favored nation status under the mistaken belief that they'd democratize

In fairness, the 90s were right after Glasnost, and the belief was that economic prosperty was what would always move these kinds of despotic governments towards democracy; that democracy had clearly proven that, however imperfect, it was ultimately what all types of government would eventually move towards. China is one of the first to really make this kind of change with that economic growth, although Vietnam is also still communistic and still going strong. In China's case, though, it turned out that their younger generations could both grow in the more progressive and permissive ways that democratic societies always tend to... and also grow greatly patriotic and appreciative of their government.

Definitely fair to disclose the Falun Gong bias of Epoch Times, but for what it's worth I find them to be somewhat more honest than their opponents, e.g. SCMP and People's Daily, or even the shitty US agitprop that is the Washington Post or NYT. I'm personally wary of Reuters nowadays because they've been afflicted with TDS fairly badly, as has the AP.

AP and Reuters are usually good in that you can see their spin and they usually offer links/breadtrails, whereas WaPo and NYT and CNN and so-on just don't give you anything. I don't think Epoch is necessarily bad, just as long as you don't take it at face value like anything else. If you can't get the stuff you have to pay for, it's aight so long as you cross-reference.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

I thought this was a thread about Mrs. Harris's inauguration, I seemed to have stumbled into hell.

 

[ogmudbone]

You doomposters are hilarious lol

China did better under Trump than any other president. They kicked our ass in the "trade war". So you people with a hateboner for China should be thankful that your daddy lost

Psst no need to be so mad. Get off of trumps orange dick already, fuck he is out of office move the fuck on.

 

[soy_king]

Psst no need to be so mad. Get off of trumps orange dick already, fuck he is out of office move the fuck on.

He can't move on. His man is not only dogshit, he's also boring as fuck.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Psst no need to be so mad. Get off of trumps orange dick already, fuck he is out of office move the fuck on.

It's relevant to the topic that we were discussing, son. Calm down. Let me explain it to you slowly so that even you can understand it.

Other person said that I hated America and loved China. I said that wasn't true because China flourished more under Trump than any other president because of Trump's retarded trade war. So yes, it was relevant.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Psst no need to be so mad. Get off of trumps orange dick already, fuck he is out of office move the fuck on.

Sore winners don’t know how to move on when the attention is no longer on them. That’s why they have to stir up ridiculous “news stories” to fit a lame duck agenda that doesn’t really help Americans.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Sore winners don’t know how to move on when the attention is no longer on them. That’s why they have to stir up ridiculous “news stories” to fit a lame duck agenda that doesn’t really help Americans.

Gung hey fat choy. Year of the Ox!