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Those are some weighty assumptions you're making, as though you could say that the audience was lost when he resorted to genocide or that the rest of the Survey Corps wasn't also carrying the narrative in a story that spends a substantial amount of time not focused on Eren and his activities.
It's also difficult to dismiss the way that you used the terms "protagonist" and "antagonist" because the crux of your argument was that the lack of hero (presumably according to conventional morality that would suggest that genocide is a grave evil) meant that the story is non-operative, when the reality was that the narrative rejects that any of these characters are virtuous and suggests that you just sympathize with them even as they do reprehensible things like torture or promising slaughter-- you assert that Eren's resort to genocide must have lost the audience, but well before that point Eren outright said that he was the same as a man who, as a boy, ran through the barriers of his country and consigned his community to death.
When I meant protagonist, I don't mean hero. Because there are plenty of 'evil' protagonists done well. Eren is not one of them. The intense loops in logic to support genocide break suspension of disbelief in that the people he's killing cannot possibly be real. We're also given no reason to care. Genocide is morally bad, yes, duh. But this is a story. The way the story bends to support Eren fucking murdering the entire world is ludicrous. The fact that we don't know anything about it makes us cease to really have any stakes. We care about Paradis because that's where the majority of the story took place.
To use an example of a terrible movie, in Star Trek Generations, Captain Kirk dies for a planet full of nobodies. The assumption is the audience should give a fuck because all these innocent people will die. But we're not given any emotional connection to care.
Its the same with the outside world in this. We're given no emotional links (except god help us, Gabi) to give a shit about these people. All we know they're insane sadists who like torturing innocent people.
Going back to protagonist/antagonist, the protagonist drives the action while the antagonist opposes. They're like counterweights. With Eren going full genocide, it just becomes impossible to support him (except for the lulz), there is no equal counterweight to an antagonist for him. The cringe avengers are woefully too under developed to serve that purpose.
...yeah. That's... what part of what a narrative does. It brings its set pieces to a particular destination after a distance of some length and shape. I'm guessing you mean that the way that he got to that point broke your suspension of disbelief.
Railroading means forcing the story to go to places in an inorganic place, where you want it to go, but the situations where you've written don't merit it and there are other viable options. Genocide only breaks my suspension of disbelief just by how many other options there could have been based on PATHS and other shit. When the entire rest of the world were basically insane sadists that would take maybe a hundred fucking years to convince maybe torturing an entire people for what their ancestors did was bad, that basically ended all of my suspension of disbelief.
Dude, I think you betrayed yourself. The Rumbling was always looming in the background like a Chekhov's Vickers gun in the house of a first-time gun owning gun otaku with heavy Asperger's who keeps insisting that it can only do full auto-- I could not imagine a final climax where the Rumbling didn't happen, which meant that Eren would have had to activate it, which meant that he would have had to commit to the prospect of genocide like everyone was hoping would be an effective threat but was something they really didn't want to do. I especially wasn't thinking that he would come up with this plan to "save everyone" after reading him simultaneously eat Liberio's lunch and have the goaded Survey Corps clean up his table and foot the bill. I don't know how you thought the Rumbling wouldn't happen, or that Eren was concerned with the world after he talked about advancing until all his enemies were destroyed and then proceeding to give a grim reminder to the world powers gathered at Liberio. Mikasa even had to tell him that he killed civilians. This boy killed kids. Made them trample on each other.
This is what I get for reading in isolation. I really don't mean to offend-- I just find our divergence in expectations hilarious.
Again, the entire world are racist carictures and want to genocide an island. The fuck was he supposed to do? Not to mention since the other side acts like insane, blood thirsty race haters trained from 5 years old to want to murder an entire island, again, my suspension of disbelief is broken. This is not a 'real' war story. Its a fucking parody of one. Not to mention all we really know about the outside world is that they're all hysterical racists who want to enact genocide, torture and starvation. We're not really given a reason to sympathize with them, because their treatment of Paradis goes well beyond what's justified. So all we know that they're a bunch of insane people who are sadists and cannot be reasoned with.
I don't know, I always felt there was something more epic than the rumbling. The whole thing turned out to be way more boring than I expected. It felt like Eren had something cooler in mind than the rumbling. Fuck me for having higher expectations I guess. The rumbling felt like a plan B. That there was a more metal plan A. I did feel like the rumbling would happen, yes, but I thought something cooler would over-write it, like something would stop it or it wouldn't be effective. But that wasn't the case.
"There have been big titans."
"Yes but what if there were even BIGGER titans?"
Yawn.
Yes. Introduction of new elements in a story with ~100 pages left. How are they going to do that? The train for doing that is currently at EOL and awaiting scrapping. Literally everything you mentioned was introduced in a timely fashion.
When I talk about mythological constructs, I mean the "devil of all earth" just doesn't exist according to any indication beyond in-story folklore, we have two chapters left, and I expect the last chapter to be an epilogue. Even the giant hallucigenia was shown when Gabi blew Eren's block off however many chapters ago.
I mean shit, the guy introduced pigs like 10 chapters ago. Obviously its not going to happen. Just that like I said, 137 is an illogical, nonsensical mess that happens just because.
The next chapter will be a shitty monologue from Eren as he dies or Mikasa finally kills him and the last chapter will be the epilogue. What a fucking boring ass way to close.