American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[soy_king]

I don't care. This isn't a fucking "Debate HHH on Biden policy vs. Trump policy thread" and I'm kind of fucking sick of everyone involved willingly turning it into that with you. Take it to Deep Thoughts.

This really is a slow news day, considering how the Democrats aren't likely to launch another attempt at impeachment, and I'm fairly certain they won't be stupid enough to risk going for a criminal trial to find him guilty of insurrection or incitement thereof just to prevent him from running again using the 14th Amendment. I'll probably stop engaging since I got what I wanted, but I'm not going to moralfag anyone about having an autistic slapfight with the Hulkster in the absence of any actual news.

 

[X Prime]

This really is a slow news day, considering how the Democrats aren't likely to launch another attempt at impeachment, and I'm fairly certain they won't be stupid enough to risk going for a criminal trial to find him guilty of insurrection or incitement thereof just to prevent him from running again using the 14th Amendment.

They'll just try to drag Trump through the courts on some other trumped-up charges that they wouldn't pursue anyone else for.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Isn't it fascinating how he begs for my attention with quotes and pings, every single time?

I imagine him in some outpost on the Syrian border, wondering how it came to be he was about to face off with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards white posting that somehow Biden is righteous for sending Americans to unnecessary death and Trump not doing so only benefited the wealthy.

 

[TFT-A9]

It has nothing to do with moralfaggotry and everything to do with being annoying.

Regarding the impeachment, it won't happen because deep down most of these Capitol critters know that they're opening one of the scariest Pandora's Boxes of bullshit imaginable for them if they do it. It's theater and appeasement/red meat for their respective bases. Everyone should be paying the fuck attention to what they're doing besides have an autistic anti-popularity contest on the floor of the Senate, because this is fucking distraction - amusing distraction, but distraction nevertheless.

 

[soy_king]

They'll just try to drag Trump through the courts on some other trumped-up charges that they wouldn't pursue anyone else for.

Sure, but that will require some preparation of a case that will survive a motion to dismiss, and that will probably take months to prepare. I don't see anything big happening for at least a few weeks, but I may be wrong.

It has nothing to do with moralfaggotry and everything to do with being annoying.

Regarding the impeachment, it won't happen because deep down most of these Capitol critters know that they're opening one of the scariest Pandora's Boxes of bullshit imaginable for them if they do it. It's theater and appeasement/red meat for their respective bases. Everyone should be paying the fuck attention to what they're doing besides have an autistic anti-popularity contest on the floor of the Senate, because this is fucking distraction - amusing distraction, but distraction nevertheless.

It's definitely a distraction, but it was pretty funny how quickly it blew up in the Democrats' faces, and how they essentially gave up when Cruz and Trump's team threatened to flood them with hundreds of subpoenas. It was definitely designed to invigorate their base, but I think they seriously miscalculated the level of enthusiasm the base would have as a whole. Outside of the most extreme cases, every liberal I've interacted with has been fairly apathetic about the whole thing, and rightly understood that this would be another nothingburger.

 

[X Prime]

It has nothing to do with moralfaggotry and everything to do with being annoying.

Regarding the impeachment, it won't happen because deep down most of these Capitol critters know that they're opening one of the scariest Pandora's Boxes of bullshit imaginable for them if they do it. It's theater and appeasement/red meat for their respective bases. Everyone should be paying the fuck attention to what they're doing besides have an autistic anti-popularity contest on the floor of the Senate, because this is fucking distraction - amusing distraction, but distraction nevertheless.

To your first line, that's literally the entire point - he thinks he's fighting the alt-right with his posting here. Hence why he takes it so seriously.

You are of course correct regarding the motivation for the impeachment. Most figured it was distraction away from Biden EOs, or of not wanting to give out the stimulus.

The reason they didn't drag it out further with witnesses is because people actually in the know realized the witnesses would make Dems look even worse.

 

[TFT-A9]

To your first line, that's literally the entire point - he thinks he's fighting the alt-right with his posting here. Hence why he takes it so seriously.

You are of course correct regarding the motivation for the impeachment. Most figured it was distraction away from Biden EOs, or of not wanting to give out the stimulus.

The reason they didn't drag it out further with witnesses is because people actually in the know realized the witnesses would make Dems look even worse.

This whole shitshow has made most people involved with it look terrible to anyone with a brain, but I'd say most of the electorate doesn't meet that criteria.

 

[Cope or Rope]

Fuck pelosi, i hope her bitch ass dies and i hope AOC gets voted
out. They can honestly fuck themselves as well as the entire Media. Fuckers need to be hung for treason. I hope Trump wins in 2024 and clowns on these dipshits.

 

[TFT-A9]

Fuck pelosi, i hope her bitch ass dies and i hope AOC gets voted
out. They can honestly fuck themselves as well as the entire Media. Fuckers need to be hung for treason. I hope Trump wins in 2024 and clowns on these dipshits.

I think it's unlikely Trump will run again and if he does I don't think the DNC will make the mistake of propping him up in the primaries like they did leading up to the 2016 election, but watch them prove me wrong.

 

[Terrifik]

 

[TFT-A9]

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"violence has no place in America"

Except when it's exercised via government monopoly of course

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

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uncivil war

Oh great, now they're bringing civil war rhetoric into the mainstream.

 

[Screw Danlon]

So to bring an actual topic rather than more sperging about ratings - Senator Coon says that if the votes were secret instead of public, that Trump would have been convicted.

Which seems insane to me. I genuinely think that if the ballots were secret, they wouldn’t have gotten even as many votes as they did. This was grandstanding as much as anything post-House Unamerican Activies Comission.

 

[Full Race Replay]

So to bring an actual topic rather than more sperging about ratings - Senator Coon says that if the votes were secret instead of public, that Trump would have been convicted.

Which seems insane to me. I genuinely think that if the ballots were secret, they wouldn’t have gotten even as many votes as they did. This was grandstanding as much as anything post-House Unamerican Activies Comission.

Just imagine thinking "less government transparency and accountability would be better."

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Just imagine thinking "less government transparency and accountability would be better."

Depends on the meaning of secret vote. AFAIK for topics where congresspeople vote in secret, you are still able to look up their votes on-record after the fact; secret usually just means 'at the point of voting,' so rather than yea-nae you scoop up all the ballots and announce it afterwards. The point there being to deter people from getting intimidated by seeing themselves in the minority, for example. I'd generally prefer more of this, tbh.

If he means 'pure' secrecy, where who voted for what is never known, yeah, that's bullshit.

 

[Random Internet Person]

So to bring an actual topic rather than more sperging about ratings - Senator Coon says that if the votes were secret instead of public, that Trump would have been convicted.

Which seems insane to me. I genuinely think that if the ballots were secret, they wouldn’t have gotten even as many votes as they did. This was grandstanding as much as anything post-House Unamerican Activies Comission.

Just imagine thinking "less government transparency and accountability would be better."

Anything to remove the Orange Man.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

What was it where they talk about how secret ballots make it so that as long as the vote is 1 for and 99 against someone the 99 people who voted for something will each think that they were the only vote?

 

[Full Race Replay]

I don't get why these politicians who are our representatives are so worried about their vote being known by us. Even this thing where you keep votes secret until after is subject to fraud as @Jet Fuel Johnny said. best to have each person's vote recorded audibly captured by cameras and journalists for us to hear, unless they want every vote to be as unsatisfactory as the 2020 election.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

So I don't believe that a secret ballot is something that even exists in the form these retards are asking for. I used this hill article as a metric - the wording seems to suggest he does indeed mean "they vote in complete secrecy," IE no-one knows what anyone voted. This WaPo article lays out why that won't work: all you need is 1/5th of the chamber to say 'let's record the votes' and out goes the secrecy. Best you can do is my thing, where senators submit (with their names necessarily attached) their vote, which is then published. Basically, removing the visual show of it.

Both the House and Senate have the option of closed sessions, where they really do operate in near-secrecy, but even that doesn't apply to the votes - if they vote, it gets recorded, and it gets published in the record.

 

[Sekirodiealot]