Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[NynchLiggers]

May as well put Big Boss in.

Because dah Nazis are bad guys. The entire mod's broken premise is that totalitarian regimes inevitably collapse, despite China being a thing. Even Speers Victory is painted as bad despite ending slavery and potentially creating a proto-EU if he goes along with setting up native led states (Which objectively is the sane decision) under German guidance akin to the Warsaw Pact because it quote, "Legitimizes fascism". I wouldn't be surprised if 70s Independent or even reformist puppet Speer hits a railroaded FU like Bormann gets where magically everything goes to shit.

Speer's Germany is the one that it's the most affected by the Oil Crisis, but it can recover while Bormann is less affected however is doomed to collapse.
TNO logic?

 

[Corpun]

I think it might be a bad end because most nazi war criminals won't be punished, but considering even in real life most of they didn't got what they deserve, it's still better than the total annihilation that other paths give.
I think they should do like TWR and give something like Hans Oster.

Obviously no one gets punished but I mean it from a player's perspective. Imagine playing New Vegas or something and siding with the Legion then post-credits you get told how much of a dick you are for dooming much of the American South West to inevitable warlordism. One of my biggest gripes with TNO is it being over railroaded into X thing happens.

Reformist Speer gets railroaded in success, he's supposed to get overthrown by the gang of four and germany becomes somewhat of a democracy. NatSoc Speer gets railroaded in failure, and fash Speer is the one that legitimize fascism because he's successful (and will stay somewhat successful). This is what the Germany team lead, Moyme, planned. It can and will probably change, but that was the state of the lore before I left.

Seeing as Japan and Italy are in the process of reworks who knows. I do hope they don't remove German writers, the early events are rather well written if a little homo. I remember an event between Speer and Hitler where it almost reads as some erotica.

Speer's Germany is the one that it's the most affected by the Oil Crisis, but it can recover while Bormann is least affected however is doomed to collapse.

Oil Crisis feels too railroad, it's yet another gotcha moment for literally every nation, including nations that probably don't even have the ability to import industrial levels of oil like most of Africa.

 

[Georshe Floydstein]

Is there a place to check how RU-TNO is doing/how long will it take to release?
And since we're on this topic, do you think RU-TNO is going to be better or worse than the Troon TNO?

 

[Randall Fragg]

I think it might be a bad end because most nazi war criminals won't be punished, but considering even in real life most of they didn't got what they deserve, it's still better than the total annihilation that other paths give.
I think they should do like TWR and give something like Hans Oster.

I say that Fascist Speer is a bad end, because it basically becomes China in real life.
Imagine all the corprate dicksucking that international companies do right now because ‘muh chinese market’. The censorship and two-faced political correctness to appear Whinnie the Pooh and the Pollution Goblins.
Now imagine that shit, but for actual Nazis.

 

[SheerHeartAttack]

I say that Fascist Speer is a bad end, because it basically becomes China in real life.
Imagine all the corprate dicksucking that international companies do right now because ‘muh chinese market’. The censorship and two-faced political correctness to appear Whinnie the Pooh and the Pollution Goblins.
Now imagine that shit, but for actual Nazis.

"The nazis may have sterilized 10s of millions of Jews and Russians, but they were racist Trump supporters anyways. Unlike the evil American police state, Hitler believes in BLACK KANGS like Mussolini."

 

[Pointless Pedant]

What is up with TVTropes and total autism?

Was that the Troon who worships the SBA because they normalize LBGT rights and are one of the biggest power fantasy countries in the mod?

Because it is easier to make a comically evil Nazi villain than use an actual insane person like Dirlewanger.

If that anti-LGBT mod that was on the Steam Worskshop for TNO is anything to go by, they won't handle it well.

It's funny cause the justification for their LGBT laws having buffs is they didn't want to piss off troons with a potential negative to decriminalizing homosexuality, etc.

I should also mention that Hall is likely going to be reworked into a wholesome LibSoc route now that Panzer, who at the very least seems to have been universal in his anti-extremism is gone for good and the commies who jerk off to Sablin are in charge. Japan is likely going to end up in a similar route where they either have the evil fascist path or the wholesome democracy path, seeing as this is happening to Italy. I am surprised no one has posted about them making John Wayne a Yockeyite. Sorry it isn't archive, I'm too retarded to know how to do that: John Wayne is a Nazi

EDIT: Forgot to mention they mock Yockey's pseudo intellectualism in Yockey events yet watch Breadtubers who use the same sort of language. This is despite Yockey apparently being insanely crass outside of his lefty meme of a book (IE the way they represent Bormann basically saying fuck every other sentence). Also forgot the Steampage attachment.

Yockey I get the impression was like the sort of far right people we see on the internet today, who vary between pretentious waffling and extreme crudeness (4chan is full of this). Aside from Imperium, he also wrote lesbian BDSM erotica, and I'd love to see some of that feature in game.

May as well put Big Boss in.

Because dah Nazis are bad guys. The entire mod's broken premise is that totalitarian regimes inevitably collapse, despite China being a thing. Even Speers Victory is painted as bad despite ending slavery and potentially creating a proto-EU if he goes along with setting up native led states (Which objectively is the sane decision) under German guidance akin to the Warsaw Pact because it quote, "Legitimizes fascism". I wouldn't be surprised if 70s Independent or even reformist puppet Speer hits a railroaded FU like Bormann gets where magically everything goes to shit.

Most totalitarians are extremely lacking in pragmatism, which is why they generally tend to collapse eventually. China is the exception because they don't blind themselves with ideology and hubris too much to realise what is necessary. The mod is full of bad writing, but reformed fascist Speer succeeding in sustaining Germany is one of the few good parts, since he's the first totalitarian to realise how to make his country work in the long run.

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

Aside from Imperium, he also wrote lesbian BDSM erotica, and I'd love to see some of that feature in game.

You cannot be serious.

 

[winderson_silva]

You cannot be serious.

Yockey was a strange figure, he even got a jew friend, believe or not.

r/TNOmod - Francis Parker Yockey: The Man beneath the Monster

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[Grave Ghost]

Yeah, the "sane path", but i'm sure they won't do it for Yockey

If this leaked dev PDF I read on 4chan is correct, Yockey can succeed but it's "extremely difficult" (I'm assuming artificially so with lots of RNG). How ever if he does succeed America turns into a dejure dictatorship and one party state through "creative" gerrymandering and passing increasingly authoritarian laws.

 

[GrausamkeitKennedy9]

made this

 

[Lawrence of Algeria]

Interview with the guy Panzer threatened by Slack.

 

[Noice Chungus]

Literally 4891

 

[slackjawed man]

cass may be the most retarded person alive, its almost impressive.

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

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cass may be the most retarded person alive, its almost impressive.

Lmao what a retard

 

[Noice Chungus]

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cass may be the most retarded person alive, its almost impressive.

Bruh Pcola thinks he can actually threaten people, lmao.

 

[Merry]

What is up with TVTropes and total autism?

Was that the Troon who worships the SBA because they normalize LBGT rights and are one of the biggest power fantasy countries in the mod?

Because it is easier to make a comically evil Nazi villain than use an actual insane person like Dirlewanger.

If that anti-LGBT mod that was on the Steam Worskshop for TNO is anything to go by, they won't handle it well.

It's funny cause the justification for their LGBT laws having buffs is they didn't want to piss off troons with a potential negative to decriminalizing homosexuality, etc.

I should also mention that Hall is likely going to be reworked into a wholesome LibSoc route now that Panzer, who at the very least seems to have been universal in his anti-extremism is gone for good and the commies who jerk off to Sablin are in charge. Japan is likely going to end up in a similar route where they either have the evil fascist path or the wholesome democracy path, seeing as this is happening to Italy. I am surprised no one has posted about them making John Wayne a Yockeyite. Sorry it isn't archive, I'm too retarded to know how to do that: John Wayne is a Nazi

EDIT: Forgot to mention they mock Yockey's pseudo intellectualism in Yockey events yet watch Breadtubers who use the same sort of language. This is despite Yockey apparently being insanely crass outside of his lefty meme of a book (IE the way they represent Bormann basically saying fuck every other sentence). Also forgot the Steampage attachment.

I've read Yockey and his prose is meant to be grandiose and manic (his political thesis is called IMPERIUM, what did you expect?), it reflects his feelings towards American society in combination with his more refined thoughts. To be frank he was way smarter than any breadtuber or any of his modern critics and the man did read a fuckton of academic and European literature. They're mostly mad he didn't conform to the type of generic boring ass political writing you see them and other autistic online political movements. Richard Spencer is someone you can actually make fun of for being a pseudointellectual lmfao

 

[Bat'Ko the Radek]

I've read Yockey and his prose is meant to be grandiose and manic (his political thesis is called IMPERIUM, what did you expect?), it reflects his feelings towards American society in combination with his more refined thoughts. To be frank he was way smarter than any breadtuber or any of his modern critics and the man did read a fuckton of academic and European literature. They're mostly mad he didn't conform to the type of generic boring ass political writing you see them and other autistic online political movements. Richard Spencer is someone you can actually make fun of for being a pseudointellectual lmfao

Funnily enough
In the subreddit, the redditors unironically read Yockey's Imperium and legit make a thread about it if you didn't know it already

 

[Merry]

Funnily enough
In the subreddit, the redditors unironically read Yockey's Imperium and legit make a thread about it if you didn't know it already

Yeah I skimmed over it, they missed the points of it (shocker) and their critiques were generic boring lib-left critiques. Consequence of people speaking entirely differently social-cultural languages despite knowing the same words.

 

[KiwiJoe]

One of the biggest plot holes of TNO that seriously ruins the immersion for me, is whenever Israel is formed in the Levant.

See, the game starts off with the Levant being owned by the Italians, and after their war with Turkey, the Levant can go a number of different directions.

For example, if the Italians win the Levant, they can perhaps make the entire Levant an independent state (that is still loyal to the Italians) led by a Jordanian King (King Hussein), which creates the Levantine Kingdom. Which makes reasonable sense.

Or, if the Italians mess up enough, Arab-Socialists can take over and proclaim the Levantine People's Republic. Still reasonable enough, although I don't know how Arab-Socialists in the Levant would get their 'start' without Nasser or others, but yeah it makes sense. That or if the Italians really fuck up that bad you get the Ultranationalist, Levantine Arab State that align themselves with the Ba'athists whenever the Oil Crisis happens.

That, or the Levant can either balkanize itself. Creating separate states which is similar to OTL's late 1940s borders, like Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, South Syria (if the Italians win) and an independent Jerusalem. Which, ehh, I can kinda understand, but how many Jews would live in the Levant to make an Israel?

There's plenty of Jews who remain in Germany as slaves (and can revolt as part of Abba Kovner's Partisans), and there's plenty of Jews in Madagascar where in the north of the island they constitute a majority of the culture. Granted, it's not that big of an Israel, more or less OTL's 'size', but I'd have a feeling that in TNO there wouldn't be as many Jews in the Levant, due to circumstances in the timeline.

Oh and the Levantine Confederation exists, I guess, as a wholesome100 succdem state but no one cares about it. It's led by Yasser Arafat or something, idk.

But then there's this shit right here.

Israel in our timeline already has enough trouble with Palestinian Arabs as is. An Israel that covers the entire Levant, including Lebanon, Jordan, parts of Syria, and the Sinai? Realistically it should collapse within years due to the ethnic imbalance, especially since there's probably less Jews in the Levant compared to OTL. But no, it just... sits around, the entire game. Doing absolutely nothing, not even in the Oil Crisis or anything.

Weirdest thing, is that there's like zero world reactions to this. You'd think Germany (even under Speer) would be absolutely fuming at the idea of a Jewish state sitting not too far away from them, despite winning WW2?

Bormann would flip his shit as soon as he hears news of a 'Greater Israel' being formed and wouldn't hesitate to send the Abwehr to do something about it. Alongside a massive embargo against the Italians since they're technically responsible for it.
Speer probably does the same, Go4 would be seething as usual, but the entire populace would be enraged by such news and would practically beg the Fuhrer to do something about it.
Goring would just nuke Rome and Tel Aviv.
Heydritch is too busy joining the 41%.

EDIT: Wanted to clarify another thing, unlike in OTL, whenever Israel (and almost every route for the Levant barring the Kingdom route) is formed, I'm pretty sure they're 'alone'. The Italians aren't backing them anymore, and I played as the US countless times and I never seen any events of the US aiding Israel in TNO, whenever they pop up. So even more worse for the Jews in Israel, they're not only alone and lack any sort of international assistance, they also have to deal with a much bigger Arab population (the entire Levant as opposed to just Palestine) while also having less Jews than OTL in the first place.

So it still makes zero sense as to why they would even exist in TNO. If anything, going by the 'rules' of the mod, any Israel path should a 'fail state' since it'll inevitably collapse due to the circumstances. But of course the troons probably made it this way as a big "Take That!" or something.

 

[Radola Gajda]

One thing i never understood was the West Russian War, how exactly soviet remmants from a weaker soviet unition managed to get some sucess before being beaten? the soviets had already lost their main oil and farm areas, with like half of the population living under the AA line and the WRRF only had 1/3 of the remmants in first place. Did Bukharin just hide giant factories in the underground before losing?

They explain it with Bukharin investing into Siberia trying to turn it into somewhat usable territory .
Plus if Soviets are not completely retarded and did same thing as irl and relocated factories during Barbarossa. Remnants would have some industry but there Is still problém of manpower.
And what small industry remnants have Is not enough to compete with Germany who controls most of Europe