She basically had an abortion but I guess they handled the matter very delicately so she believed it was “the best chance at a natural birth” or whatever. It looks like they just induced her at 31 weeks or whatever. This is very similar to how late term abortions are performed because the baby is too large for the types of procedures they do before 20 weeks. Some women going through late term abortions (which are almost always performed due to not compatible with life Dx) don’t want to hold or see the baby so they don’t have to go the full L&D route, but if they do? This is pretty much how the procedure unfolds.
Maybe this how some hospitals can get around late term abortion bans for non-viable fetuses? They just classify it early induction for medical reasons. Women have had to fly a thousand miles and pay $20k to end a wanted pregnancy of a non-compatible with life fetus anytime after 22 weeks, so maybe a few hospitals realized this was insane and got a bit crafty with how they classified certain procedures...but could never actually admit this was the case but can delicately propose an “early induced delivery” option in these sad situations on a case by case basis?
Make sense. Most women who have abortions in the USA are already mothers of one or more children. They have abortions because they are concerned about adequately caring for the children they already have. I’m sure it’s very common, but because in the USA if you tell anyone you are having an abortion there’s a significant chance a church group will show up at your door yelling baby killer and starting a vigil. So the oops pregnancies you generally hear about are the ones the mother carried to term. If they chose to have an abortion very few, if any people, would ever know about it.
I can add that the four cases I know of with an “oops baby” that occurred with one year of the first baby the parents ended up divorced by the time the oldest was in pre-school. On top of the difficulties of successive pregnancies on a woman’s body, the sheer stress and difficulties of having “Irish twins” can doom marriages if isn’t already strong and stable. First babies are a tough adjustment for a couple and immediately compounding that with another baby makes it far harder.
A older lady I knew had Irish twins and told me her husband basically just moved back to his parents home for three years because he couldn’t tolerate the lack of sleep. He moved back once the youngest was 2.5. I have to think she resented the fuck out of him for doing that, but this occurred in the 1960’s when nobody expected fathers to do any baby care)
Nature tries to prevent it by decreasing fertility while breast feeding. Evolutionary biologists have theorized infants being so demanding was also a way of preventing a sibling coming along too soon to compete for finite resources. If mom and dad are tired from caring for a infant that only sleeps three hours at a time and cries a lot they have less time and energy for sex, so less likely a new baby will come along to compete for milk and attention and therefore more likely baby 1 survives.
That's actually a good point because yeah, late term abortions are extremely expensive and hard to get. I guess early inductions are a good way around that if the kid is going to be fucked either way (which it sounds like that one was). I guess as long as it's not in pain or anything.
I've heard already having kids is a common reason for abortion, which makes sense. Prolifers seem to be pretty clueless about just how many women who have abortions are already mothers, as well as how many are in committed relationships or even married. They think the only women having abortions are yucky sluts having unprotected sex with every man they see, which of course isn't remotely true (and shows how little they know about women).
This trisomy 13 group is a lot less supportive of early inductions
Only fully cooked spuds for them!
Technically speaking, any failed pregnancy is an abortion, but yes, this sounds like a medically induced abortion. She probably meant she didn't want a D&C, which most hospitals won't do after a certain gestation anyway because of the moral implications.
Can't say I see anything wrong with her case. She didn't carry baby to term or anything; she was induced early enough for baby to be considered non viable, therefore not able to be resuscitated and forced to possibly live for a few days, months, whatever its condition would permit. Instead, it was able to pass away quickly. Better for it and the parents in the long run.
Additionally, she was clear she made that choice as she felt it was a total crap shoot her child would live.
I do not see how what this couple did was wrong. They did a late term but not full term partial birth abortion,and didnt try to fuck about extending its life.
That's actually a good point because yeah, late term abortions are extremely expensive and hard to get. I guess early inductions are a good way around that if the kid is going to be fucked either way (which it sounds like that one was). I guess as long as it's not in pain or anything.
I've heard already having kids is a common reason for abortion, which makes sense. Prolifers seem to be pretty clueless about just how many women who have abortions are already mothers, as well as how many are in committed relationships or even married. They think the only women having abortions are yucky sluts having unprotected sex with every man they see, which of course isn't remotely true (and shows how little they know about women).
Yup, teens and young unmarried women under 21 aren’t the ones usually getting abortions. Those women generally have a baby, maybe even another. Then they get first hand experience on how difficult, expensive and time consuming raising children truly is and get real about shit. If they end up pregnant again they may then seek an abortion because they are already struggling to care for their children and know they can’t handle another at that time. Also, these are the smarter women who are considering the needs of their children and their own abilities and resources to care for them. The ones that don’t have this epiphany are the single moms horror stories with seven kids, with CPS having custody of six of them.
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As a teen I knew a nice religious family that adopted a ten year old named “Angel.” Angel was one of ten kids that had all been removed from one home in another state. CPS in the area was so overwhelmed they reached out to religious communities across the country to try and find homes. At ten years old Angel could not read, was learning disabled and was almost legally blind but had never had glasses. The family provided a wonderful loving home for her but it’s impossible to overcome all the damage done. Angel was pregnant at 16 and the family adopted that child (who turned out great). Angel then proceeded to have three more kids, by three other men, before 25 and has struggled to raise them. She works menial jobs on and off but always gets a “injury” a few weeks into it and takes another try at getting SSI. She probably should receive SSI because I honestly believe her IQ is about 85. But I give this background only to give this part of the story...
A few months ago she posted a photo of one of her biological sisters holding up her shirt displaying a pregnant belly exclaiming this was her ninth pregnancy! Someone inquired how she managed to care for nine kids and the response was “she hopes she can keep this one.” So sis has provided her own litter of kids for the state to inadequately raise just like her mother before her.
But this mess is exactly what results from the religious pro-life movement painting abortion as evil and fighting birth control options. None of these women would have ever considered an abortion. Living in homeless shelter and pregnant with a sixth kid is just a gift from god and just another chance to get it right THIS time. Maybe CPS will even let them keep this baby and maybe this time they won’t lose their fourth section 8 apartment in four years either.
It’s just an ugly, continuing cycle and why I consider the pro-life movement evil. They can say “but adoption” all they want but damn well know only the fairly rare woman capable of sacrifice and are emotionally strong and able to make good long term decisions opt for that choice at birth. It’s why there are so few infants available for adoption - most women will not relinquish a baby after birth even if it’s their fifth kid and they have zero ability to care for it.
The typical young, poor, single mother (who is usually the daughter of an abusive and poor home) thinks in term of their own experience and emotional needs. A baby is like the ultimate doll that will “love them.” What they think they can handle and what they actually can are usually polar opposites. Sadly the women aren’t even able to care for themselves, much less a child. The pro-life movement has told them a baby is the greatest gift they could ever hope to have. Who wants to give up the greatest gift ever?
So what the pro-lifers proclaim as the most precious treasure is typically treated worse than livestock. As a friend of mine that works in NYC said, the average dog in Park Slope has a far better standard of living and care than the human children in Brownsville.
I absolutely could see “early induction” becoming the way for hospitals to provide care to women with non-viable pregnancies. Almost every OBGYN would agree forcing a woman to carry a fetus that they know will die before, at, or shortly after birth is futile and cruel. But even the hint of “late term abortion” could get them harassed and killed. But “early induction” could totally get approved and covered by insurance too.
There was a memorial page for Dr. Tiller, who provided late term abortions in Kansas and was murdered by a pro-life nut, there were many women who posted stories about Dr Tiller ensuring women who went to him could hold their babies after the procedure. The stories sounded exactly like this woman’s only it was called “late term abortion” their insurance didn’t cover it and Dr. Tiller was murdered for providing it. Dr Tiller even had cameras and hand print supplies for the mothers who wanted mementos of their baby. (Almost all women who went to Dr Tiller were ending very much wanted pregnancies that they chose to end because of devastating not compatible with life Dx)
Maybe some decent doctors realized just relabeling the procedure changed everything and kept them safe from getting murdered or harassed as well.
Yup, teens and young unmarried women under 21 aren’t the ones usually getting abortions. Those women generally have a baby, maybe even another. Then they get first hand experience on how difficult, expensive and time consuming raising children truly is and get real about shit. If they end up pregnant again they may then seek an abortion because they are already struggling to care for their children and know they can’t handle another at that time. Also, these are the smarter women who are considering the needs of their children and their own abilities and resources to care for them. The ones that don’t have this epiphany are the single moms horror stories with seven kids, with CPS having custody of six of them.
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As a teen I knew a nice religious family that adopted a ten year old named “Angel.” Angel was one of ten kids that had all been removed from one home in another state. CPS in the area was so overwhelmed they reached out to religious communities across the country to try and find homes. At ten years old Angel could not read, was learning disabled and was almost legally blind but had never had glasses. The family provided a wonderful loving home for her but it’s impossible to overcome all the damage done. Angel was pregnant at 16 and the family adopted that child (who turned out great). Angel then proceeded to have three more kids, by three other men, before 25 and has struggled to raise them. She works menial jobs on and off but always gets a “injury” a few weeks into it and takes another try at getting SSI. She probably should receive SSI because I honestly believe her IQ is about 85. But I give this background only to give this part of the story...
A few months ago she posted a photo of one of her biological sisters holding up her shirt displaying a pregnant belly exclaiming this was her ninth pregnancy! Someone inquired how she managed to care for nine kids and the response was “she hopes she can keep this one.” So sis has provided her own litter of kids for the state to inadequately raise just like her mother before her.
But this mess is exactly what results from the religious pro-life movement painting abortion as evil and fighting birth control options. None of these women would have ever considered an abortion. Living in homeless shelter and pregnant with a sixth kid is just a gift from god and just another chance to get it right THIS time. Maybe CPS will even let them keep this baby and maybe this time they won’t lose their fourth section 8 apartment in four years either.
It’s just an ugly, continuing cycle and why I consider the pro-life movement evil. They can say “but adoption” all they want but damn well know only the fairly rare woman capable of sacrifice and are emotionally strong and able to make good long term decisions opt for that choice at birth. It’s why there are so few infants available for adoption - most women will not relinquish a baby after birth even if it’s their fifth kid and they have zero ability to care for it.
The typical young, poor, single mother (who is usually the daughter of an abusive and poor home) thinks in term of their own experience and emotional needs. A baby is like the ultimate doll that will “love them.” What they think they can handle and what they actually can are usually polar opposites. Sadly the women aren’t even able to care for themselves, much less a child. The pro-life movement has told them a baby is the greatest gift they could ever hope to have. Who wants to give up the greatest gift ever?
So what the pro-lifers proclaim as the most precious treasure is typically treated worse than livestock. As a friend of mine that works in NYC said, the average dog in Park Slope has a far better standard of living and care than the human children in Brownsville.
I absolutely could see “early induction” becoming the way for hospitals to provide care to women with non-viable pregnancies. Almost every OBGYN would agree forcing a woman to carry a fetus that they know will die before, at, or shortly after birth is futile and cruel. But even the hint of “late term abortion” could get them harassed and killed. But “early induction” could totally get approved and covered by insurance too.
There was a memorial page for Dr. Tiller, who provided late term abortions in Kansas and was murdered by a pro-life nut, there were many women who posted stories about Dr Tiller ensuring women who went to him could hold their babies after the procedure. The stories sounded exactly like this woman’s only it was called “late term abortion” their insurance didn’t cover it and Dr. Tiller was murdered for providing it. Dr Tiller even had cameras and hand print supplies for the mothers who wanted mementos of their baby. (Almost all women who went to Dr Tiller were ending very much wanted pregnancies that they chose to end because of devastating not compatible with life Dx)
Maybe some decent doctors realized just relabeling the procedure changed everything and kept them safe from getting murdered or harassed as well.
Yeah I remember reading an account from a woman who had a late abortion of a wanted pregnancy with fatal diagnosis. She mentioned being able to hold the baby afterwards and the clinic employees even helping her take some photos. It makes sense many women would want to, since they're grieving a child they wanted and chose abortion to spare it from suffering.
Prolifers in general make me MOTI, but the shitting on women who have late term abortions and committing terrorist attacks against clinics and doctors is particularly fucked up since late term abortions are almost always wanted pregnancies that went horribly wrong. They're hurting grieving parents that had to make probably the hardest decision of their life.
And Poland and the A&H tradcels think these women should have no choice but to carry these pregnancies to term.
Also that story about the women having 9 kids taken away by CPS is horrifying. Unfortunately I can see how that cycle would continue across generations. It makes me glad Sammie Bushart unintentionally sterilized herself after her second kid, because I could absolutely see her having 9+ kids she doesn't have custody of.
All the more reason kids need both comprehensive sex ed and education on what abortion actually is (not prolife propaganda). So they know how to prevent pregnancies in the first place and that they're not an evil baby killer for getting an abortion.
At that point its more about just adding makeup to have the body look like it has skin tone with basic cake makeup since the veins are likely too underdeveloped for embalming.
Earliest one I saw was for a pregnancy that lasted only 6 months and it was just a small viewing for the parents/ family. There was no embalming and since it was a low income area and the story was horrible, the funeral home did the makeup for free and a local charity came and took pictures for the mother while she was in the hospital. It only lasted for a couple hours and was very peaceful.
Infant funerals are brutal and the last (more ethical) home I was at was far more caring. Often the bodies were kept in small "cradels" that did not look like our normal storage areas and they kept a rocking chair for the parents to spend all the time they needed.
the reason that the death industry has such a high turnover rate is because a lot of people can't leave their feelings at home when they do it (lots of people get sent home because they started to cry) and because of the horrible pay. Expect to be surrounded by death, sobbing, and lifting bodies for $12 an hour if you are lucky.
Yeah I've always heard having a baby right after you just had one isnt healthy and it's best to wait a year or two between kids. Lord only knows the Duggars and other Quiverfull types are a great example of why it's not a great idea to treat yourself like a breeder dog at a puppy mill.
I grew up with someone who had this. His parents were told he wouldn’t survive, as his stomach was the size of an almond and he had the most severe type of this. He is now 21 but has almost died a number of times, has had one of his lungs removed, requires nursing all the time. It’s not an easy life.
There's no way that baby was 31 weeks. I've seen hundreds of preterm babies born, and that one actually looks pretty typical for an 18-22 weeker. Also, at 31 weeks there's the option to intubate or the kid could even have spontaneous respiration, and I imagine most fundies would want everything done to prolong the baby's life, but maybe since she chose induction care and comfort would always be their choice.
There's no way that baby was 31 weeks. I've seen hundreds of preterm babies born, and that one actually looks pretty typical for an 18-22 weeker. Also, at 31 weeks there's the option to intubate or the kid could even have spontaneous respiration, and I imagine most fundies would want everything done to prolong the baby's life, but maybe since she chose induction care and comfort would always be their choice.
Yeah I know dick all about babies, but I though once you get to 30+ week it looks pretty much like a normal baby (maybe a bit on the smaller side) instead of an undercooked quail. It does sound like she preferred it not suffering above all else especially since it was probably doomed regardless. Better than Kayli, Tinslee, or Luna's parents by miles.
This post I found isnt really funny or cringey or anything, just sad
While digging around anencephaly/trisomy/etc pages I've seen lots of posts like this. For every post you see from fundies about a kid who "beat the odds!!!" and managed to survive for quite some time (or are still living), you probably see 10+ like this about an obviously young child that's died from these conditions. This little girl looks what, maybe 7 at the oldest? And I think that's still a long life by t18 standards
I just don't get how these fundies can shit on doctors and insist they're wrong when even tons of their peers are having their kids die very young. Most of them actually. How can they say the doctors are wrong about trisomy 13&18 being largely incompatible with life when they're surrounded by proof of that? I don't get it.
I hope these kids at least got some happy moments in their lives.
Babies with chromosomal disorders or other syndromes often have intrauterine growth retardation; in other words, they're small for their age. Sometimes it's due to an insufficient placenta, but if that baby didn't look like a 31-weeker even though the dates said it was, this may be why.
Here's a "heartwarming" story from my regional news about a little boy who was born with defective kidneys (and I suspect a lot of other problems) who finally went home - after 944 days. That's right - he was almost 3 years old and had never been out of the hospital.
Two-and-a-half-year-old Aidan Moles has never ridden in a car. He’s never been inside a grocery store or a day care center, has never heard the sound of a dishwasher or washing machine. He’s never felt the cold air of a January day blow across his face. Hospital records list his address in Fort...
Babies with chromosomal disorders or other syndromes often have intrauterine growth retardation; in other words, they're small for their age. Sometimes it's due to an insufficient placenta, but if that baby didn't look like a 31-weeker even though the dates said it was, this may be why.
Here's a "heartwarming" story from my regional news about a little boy who was born with defective kidneys (and I suspect a lot of other problems) who finally went home - after 944 days. That's right - he was almost 3 years old and had never been out of the hospital.
Two-and-a-half-year-old Aidan Moles has never ridden in a car. He’s never been inside a grocery store or a day care center, has never heard the sound of a dishwasher or washing machine. He’s never felt the cold air of a January day blow across his face. Hospital records list his address in Fort...
Seems he also had pulminary hypertension and was in end stage renal failure. He probably would have gone home a lot sooner, but he would be very at risk for Covid since he would be quite compromised both in prep for and after transplantation. Sad situation, but with the transplant that dude has a good chance of a good quality of life albiet he'll always be on anti-rejection drugs.
Babies with chromosomal disorders or other syndromes often have intrauterine growth retardation; in other words, they're small for their age. Sometimes it's due to an insufficient placenta, but if that baby didn't look like a 31-weeker even though the dates said it was, this may be why.
Here's a "heartwarming" story from my regional news about a little boy who was born with defective kidneys (and I suspect a lot of other problems) who finally went home - after 944 days. That's right - he was almost 3 years old and had never been out of the hospital.
Two-and-a-half-year-old Aidan Moles has never ridden in a car. He’s never been inside a grocery store or a day care center, has never heard the sound of a dishwasher or washing machine. He’s never felt the cold air of a January day blow across his face. Hospital records list his address in Fort...
This thread has been fucking hard to read since I discovered I'm pregnant, but closing in on my CUB test I feel it's such a good reminder as to why I'm doing it and won't keep a child with chromosomal abnormalities. I cannot for the life of me understand how some people won't avoid all that suffering when they could've. It's just so cruel and selfish to knowingly put such damaged children on this earth just to have them suffer for a few years before inevitably dying of their dysfunctions. Preaching to the choir, I know, but this thread should be mandatory reading as soon as you've gotten a positive pregnancy test.
Yup, teens and young unmarried women under 21 aren’t the ones usually getting abortions. Those women generally have a baby, maybe even another. Then they get first hand experience on how difficult, expensive and time consuming raising children truly is and get real about shit. If they end up pregnant again they may then seek an abortion because they are already struggling to care for their children and know they can’t handle another at that time. Also, these are the smarter women who are considering the needs of their children and their own abilities and resources to care for them. The ones that don’t have this epiphany are the single moms horror stories with seven kids, with CPS having custody of six of them.
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As a teen I knew a nice religious family that adopted a ten year old named “Angel.” Angel was one of ten kids that had all been removed from one home in another state. CPS in the area was so overwhelmed they reached out to religious communities across the country to try and find homes. At ten years old Angel could not read, was learning disabled and was almost legally blind but had never had glasses. The family provided a wonderful loving home for her but it’s impossible to overcome all the damage done. Angel was pregnant at 16 and the family adopted that child (who turned out great). Angel then proceeded to have three more kids, by three other men, before 25 and has struggled to raise them. She works menial jobs on and off but always gets a “injury” a few weeks into it and takes another try at getting SSI. She probably should receive SSI because I honestly believe her IQ is about 85. But I give this background only to give this part of the story...
A few months ago she posted a photo of one of her biological sisters holding up her shirt displaying a pregnant belly exclaiming this was her ninth pregnancy! Someone inquired how she managed to care for nine kids and the response was “she hopes she can keep this one.” So sis has provided her own litter of kids for the state to inadequately raise just like her mother before her.
But this mess is exactly what results from the religious pro-life movement painting abortion as evil and fighting birth control options. None of these women would have ever considered an abortion. Living in homeless shelter and pregnant with a sixth kid is just a gift from god and just another chance to get it right THIS time. Maybe CPS will even let them keep this baby and maybe this time they won’t lose their fourth section 8 apartment in four years either.
It’s just an ugly, continuing cycle and why I consider the pro-life movement evil. They can say “but adoption” all they want but damn well know only the fairly rare woman capable of sacrifice and are emotionally strong and able to make good long term decisions opt for that choice at birth. It’s why there are so few infants available for adoption - most women will not relinquish a baby after birth even if it’s their fifth kid and they have zero ability to care for it.
The typical young, poor, single mother (who is usually the daughter of an abusive and poor home) thinks in term of their own experience and emotional needs. A baby is like the ultimate doll that will “love them.” What they think they can handle and what they actually can are usually polar opposites. Sadly the women aren’t even able to care for themselves, much less a child. The pro-life movement has told them a baby is the greatest gift they could ever hope to have. Who wants to give up the greatest gift ever?
So what the pro-lifers proclaim as the most precious treasure is typically treated worse than livestock. As a friend of mine that works in NYC said, the average dog in Park Slope has a far better standard of living and care than the human children in Brownsville.
I absolutely could see “early induction” becoming the way for hospitals to provide care to women with non-viable pregnancies. Almost every OBGYN would agree forcing a woman to carry a fetus that they know will die before, at, or shortly after birth is futile and cruel. But even the hint of “late term abortion” could get them harassed and killed. But “early induction” could totally get approved and covered by insurance too.
There was a memorial page for Dr. Tiller, who provided late term abortions in Kansas and was murdered by a pro-life nut, there were many women who posted stories about Dr Tiller ensuring women who went to him could hold their babies after the procedure. The stories sounded exactly like this woman’s only it was called “late term abortion” their insurance didn’t cover it and Dr. Tiller was murdered for providing it. Dr Tiller even had cameras and hand print supplies for the mothers who wanted mementos of their baby. (Almost all women who went to Dr Tiller were ending very much wanted pregnancies that they chose to end because of devastating not compatible with life Dx)
Maybe some decent doctors realized just relabeling the procedure changed everything and kept them safe from getting murdered or harassed as well.
What’s the deal with women who have 7+ kids with random guys? You hear about this semi frequently and it often ends with all of them getting taken away by the state. Isn’t being pregnant and giving birth difficult and painful? Why would you want to keep having kids if the state always takes them?
Seeing you mention Brownsville makes me sad, because my grandfather grew up there — him and his siblings and parents and uncle and uncle’s wife and grandparents and grandfather’s brother all crammed in a house together, and he was in some neighborhood club that basically existed to keep the boys from joining the mob. But he grew up to be a lawyer, whereas I know the kids there now won’t, and I know their fathers are more likely to be in jail than working at the post office.
What’s the deal with women who have 7+ kids with random guys? You hear about this semi frequently and it often ends with all of them getting taken away by the state. Isn’t being pregnant and giving birth difficult and painful? Why would you want to keep having kids if the state always takes them?
I'd imagine it's a generation cycle like abuse, as well as a lack of education on birth control and abortion. Plus these women probably feel like being pregnant/having a baby is the only thing that gets them any attention or praise.
That and the prolife crowd tends to seek out women like that and talk up pregnancy/having a baby to try and manipulate them into not aborting. They insist a baby is this magical thing that will love them no matter what, and you're literally murdering a baby by having an abortion. I could see that swaying a poorly educated woman from a broken home. Even if the woman has a history of kids getting taken away by CPS I doubt prolifers would change their tunes, it's not like they give a shit once kids are born.
What’s the deal with women who have 7+ kids with random guys? You hear about this semi frequently and it often ends with all of them getting taken away by the state. Isn’t being pregnant and giving birth difficult and painful? Why would you want to keep having kids if the state always takes them?
Seeing you mention Brownsville makes me sad, because my grandfather grew up there — him and his siblings and parents and uncle and uncle’s wife and grandparents and grandfather’s brother all crammed in a house together, and he was in some neighborhood club that basically existed to keep the boys from joining the mob. But he grew up to be a lawyer, whereas I know the kids there now won’t, and I know their fathers are more likely to be in jail than working at the post office.
@Android raptor is correct and I’ll add a few more things that tend to be true about women who machine gun out babies and let CPS pick up the pieces, but I’ll spoiler it so people who are just here for the potatoes can skip it.
These women tend to think having a baby will “tie” them to their love of the month, so having a baby gives them a sense of ownership or connection to a guy, even if he doesn’t give a fuck and every baby daddy in the past split. This time a baby will make him love her or at least give her a sense of ownership over him while she’s pregnant.
If the guy isn’t even in the picture or unknown she gets extra attention for being pregnant. She gets monthly and weekly doctor visits, social workers, etc.. people ask about her and the baby. It’s the positive, concerned attention that she is hungry for.
Then there’s the fact that these particular type of women are really shitty mothers. Good mothers know how hard and time consuming caring for a child adequately is, but being a really shitty mom isn’t hard. You can just lock that kid in a room or leave it in a crib for hours or days and do your thing. Drop it off with whoever volunteers in you neighborhood to watch it for an hour, then don’t come back for days.
A college friend of mine who spent two years after graduation as a social worker once told me about having to remove two kids that they were getting multiple reports of being left alone. When they go to the apt there is a two year old and autistic four year old. They had been left alone in the apt for two days, trying to eat what was left in the bottom of a jar of old mayonnaise. They were filthy, silent, scared. But my point is this mom didn’t see any problem with leaving two little kids alone so she could go do whatever she wanted. The responsibility of motherhood weighed like a feather on her shoulders.
The saddest factor - this is normal to these women. They were raised in a similar fashion. Women that have CPS take six kids weren’t raised in loving or decent homes. They are basically repeating some version of how their mom, or lack of mom, raised them.
The exception to this is addicts. Addicts might have come from good homes but their addiction erases everything and makes them horrible mothers. This is why the opiate and meth epidemics have crushed social services. In the past you always had a certain number of families stuck in the generational cycle of poverty, neglect and abuse. CPS was built to handle this percentage. The increase in drug addiction made women who would have been perfectly good mothers become unfit and abusive. They also have more kids than they would have otherwise because the drugs mean they don’t worry about unprotected sex and have multiple partners.
The last factor, and one that gets undue focus, it the welfare benefits. Having a baby at age 18 means a teen mom gets priority to get her own section 8 apartment and some benefits. To a teen stuck in an unhappy home this is a ticket to adulthood and freedom. They didn’t have to get a job and save to get their first apartment- just have a baby. Some of these women might actually be decent moms, but there are plenty of bad ones too. For the shitty ones this is a reason to try and keep custody of kids they can’t care for because if they lose the kids they lose most of their benefits.
As an aside I’ll mention the big thing of the last twenty years is to get your kid diagnosed with autism or something so that you get extra SSI money and services like the moms in this thread. The horrifying part is the shitty and more neglectful a mom is the more likely it is that a normal kid might get diagnosed with some disorder because the abuse and neglect have caused behaviors that resemble autism or have caused legit developmental delays. This makes the worst moms fight to keep custody because the kid represents a cash paycheck. Cash welfare benefits were pretty much ended in the 1990’s but it was soon realized that getting a child a disability Dx would get you cash from SSI, so it became all the rage. I hope the proposal to start giving the Child Income Tax credit to lower income families as a cash payment once a month will become a reality because I think it might help decrease the abuse of SSI disability for kids and stop the incentive of getting labeled as autistic and retarded.
That was a great story, only slightly marred by the idiots who dug up the guy's old tweets and tried to wreck the whole thing out of some misguided notion of journalistic integrity. I can also say from personal experience that there aren't many better places for a sick kid to wind up than the U of Iowa Hospital. Their facilities and staff are top-notch.
That was a great story, only slightly marred by the idiots who dug up the guy's old tweets and tried to wreck the whole thing out of some misguided notion of journalistic integrity. I can also say from personal experience that there aren't many better places for a sick kid to wind up than the U of Iowa Hospital. Their facilities and staff are top-notch.
The only reason I can see for any sniffing around is to make sure the guy isn’t some con artist who is going to get a pile of money with a fraudulent fundraiser. Looking for “wrong opinions” is absurd
He was smart enough to realize publicity was more valuable than the $600 he first got and positioning himself as a fundraiser for a kids hospital increased that exponentially. As long as all the money donated (after the $600 beer fund) went to the hospital there’s no problem.
Why people would vemo some college student at a football game the money instead of just a straight donation to the hospital (that’s tax deductible) is what mystifies me.
The only reason I can see for any sniffing around is to make sure the guy isn’t some con artist who is going to get a pile of money with a fraudulent fundraiser. Looking for “wrong opinions” is absurd
He was smart enough to realize publicity was more valuable than the $600 he first got and positioning himself as a fundraiser for a kids hospital increased that exponentially. As long as all the money donated (after the $600 beer fund) went to the hospital there’s no problem.
Why people would vemo some college student at a football game the money instead of just a straight donation to the hospital (that’s tax deductible) is what mystifies me.
