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[Cemila Mandes]

If I remember correctly, a Saint+Taxxon teamup only accepted a conversation if Rags was not present. obviously Rags got mad and refused to budge. Afterwards, Mauler refused to engage (outside of twitter snipes) because Saint "wouldn't engage in good faith" or something similar.

Saint wanted the discussion to be him and Taxxon against MauLer and Wolf on the grounds of it being balanced and between people actually relevant to Saint's video. MauLer refused because he didn't "see the point in a discussion with someone so dishonest" while simultaneously offering to have a discussion with Saint on EFAP, where Rags join in. But since is the EFAP fanbase we're talking about, they ignored how MauLer was too scared to debate in an environment that didn't favor him and allowed themselves to believe Saint was the cowardly one.

I think it was only Taxxon which is fucking hilarious because have you looked at him? is clear that he is a barely functioning autist and Mauler is still afraid of him.
Mauler only seems to like 1 on 1s with people who are afraid of him like literature devil or bitches like IHE

It was Saint and Taxxon because the drama was over the video they made together about MauLer.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

This is just getting ridiculous.

He's still on about it. One more day and it will be a month of this! This is just a sample. Someone needs to put this man in his place.

 

[José Mourinho]

I don't think making a shitty long video detailing about what is wrong with a movie (that is, if your definition of telling "what is wrong" is just nitpicking over every scene and asking "Why can't X just do Y?" without even knowing the full details) is even difficult, the issue is more towards time taken, but even then that does not translate to quality.

If I were him I'd most likely just crash into slumber and forget it but thing is you should not try and set a lot of goals/movies for it, and instead you should just stick to just one.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with making a long video critiquing any form of media. Heck, I loved these hours-long videos where they do reviews or documentaries. The main topic at hand is how you present it. If you're gonna spend a few hours making almost nothing out of a single scene you are not even worth my time.

Long man bad? More like long-winded man bad.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

There's something I just realized. Why isn't MauLer doing Audio Commentaries of movies anymore? He hasn't done one since his commentary of The Fly back in October of 2019. The obvious answer is that he prefers to do EFAP movies as a format. But as we've seen, those can get taken down. This is especially the case with his recent ones. His butting heads with WB is perhaps unwise. They have taken down his videos twice now, once for MoS and another for WW84. They can make a livestream of their live reaction to it, and then an edited video where they give their thoughts on the main channel in a structured and serious manner. It could please both sides of the coin.
I never watched MauLer for his goofy, irreverent, even jock-like behavior that he displays on stream. That's not even why people liked him in the first place. The reason people respected MauLer at first was because of his eloquent in-depth arguments that even a layman could understand.
I attack him all the time for his lack of knowledge on many subjects, but a layman's perspective is very important especially in understanding media. But that can only truly shine when his peers have more knowledge and offer unique perspectives that differ from him. All of MauLer's fellow EFAP crew members are from a similar background, have largely the same opinions as him. This is because MauLer sees his layman's perspective, as analytical as it is, as objective.
This is why I find EFAP boring now. I just realized this. The only significantly differing opinion from his own are his targets, who can't properly respond and are subject to the mighty pause button. Everyone else will just affirm him, which is why many of the minor EFAP members are so inconsequential.
That's why I see the above format as having a bunch of potential. Imagine if MauLer actually met up with one or some of his enemies on equal footing, and watched one of the DCEU movies together with them and then talk about. It would be a good way for them to see how one another watch movies and perhaps a way for them to better understand one another. It would also be a chance for MauLer to discuss film with people that don't kiss his boots constantly. Someone once said in this thread that MauLer has difficulty with empathy. That was referring to his understanding of characters' decisions in media. But I believe that also hold true to people with different viewpoints than him. This sort of interaction would help him, rather than being surrounded by a circus of yes-men. This is probably the source of a good portion of his bad behavior, now that I think of it.
Remember his argument with Drinker over Bly Manor? That was the first time ever I've seen MauLer, even surrounded by his friends, in a state of vulnerability. The chat even started turning on them to Drinker's side. And do your know what? That meeting was not unfriendly. We saw it as such, but MauLer and Drinker stayed friends and perhaps MauLer came to respect Drinker more and saw him as being an equal after that point.

This post was a flow of consciousness that started as one thing but ended as something totally different, so sorry for any weirdness in the writing.

 

[biscuitscilia]

This is just getting ridiculous.
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He's still on about it. One more day and it will be a month of this! This is just a sample. Someone needs to put this man in his place.

Why is he sperging out over a novelization of the movie? He's beating this horse harder than Mauler beat Last Jedi. It's starting to get incredibly petty, he must really hate good movies.
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There's something I just realized. Why isn't MauLer doing Audio Commentaries of movies anymore?

He ran out of movies he already watched to talk about.

 

[Audioponics🎵⛲]

There's something I just realized. Why isn't MauLer doing Audio Commentaries of movies anymore? He hasn't done one since his commentary of The Fly back in October of 2019. The obvious answer is that he prefers to do EFAP movies as a format. But as we've seen, those can get taken down. This is especially the case with his recent ones. His butting heads with WB is perhaps unwise. They have taken down his videos twice now, once for MoS and another for WW84. They can make a livestream of their live reaction to it, and then an edited video where they give their thoughts on the main channel in a structured and serious manner. It could please both sides of the coin.
I never watched MauLer for his goofy, irreverent, even jock-like behavior that he displays on stream. That's not even why people liked him in the first place. The reason people respected MauLer at first was because of his eloquent in-depth arguments that even a layman could understand.
I attack him all the time for his lack of knowledge on many subjects, but a layman's perspective is very important especially in understanding media. But that can only truly shine when his peers have more knowledge and offer unique perspectives that differ from him. All of MauLer's fellow EFAP crew members are from a similar background, have largely the same opinions as him. This is because MauLer sees his layman's perspective, as analytical as it is, as objective.
This is why I find EFAP boring now. I just realized this. The only significantly differing opinion from his own are his targets, who can't properly respond and are subject to the mighty pause button. Everyone else will just affirm him, which is why many of the minor EFAP members are so inconsequential.
That's why I see the above format as having a bunch of potential. Imagine if MauLer actually met up with one or some of his enemies on equal footing, and watched one of the DCEU movies together with them and then talk about. It would be a good way for them to see how one another watch movies and perhaps a way for them to better understand one another. It would also be a chance for MauLer to discuss film with people that don't kiss his boots constantly. Someone once said in this thread that MauLer has difficulty with empathy. That was referring to his understanding of characters' decisions in media. But I believe that also hold true to people with different viewpoints than him. This sort of interaction would help him, rather than being surrounded by a circus of yes-men. This is probably the source of a good portion of his bad behavior, now that I think of it.
Remember his argument with Drinker over Bly Manor? That was the first time ever I've seen MauLer, even surrounded by his friends, in a state of vulnerability. The chat even started turning on them to Drinker's side. And do your know what? That meeting was not unfriendly. We saw it as such, but MauLer and Drinker stayed friends and perhaps MauLer came to respect Drinker more and saw him as being an equal after that point.

This post was a flow of consciousness that started as one thing but ended as something totally different, so sorry for any weirdness in the writing.

I wish mauler would go back to reviewing video games. His analytical style worked real well for the medium. Movies only real have their story to analyze in an analytical fashion. And then, really only the logical consistency of a story can be analyzed objectively. Everything else about story and movies are subjective.

But games on the other hand have mechanics. Mechanics can usually be logically analyses to be either working or not. This compounds, you can also analyze how much logical sense mechanics make in a games story. Or how well visuals help the implementation of a mechanic.

Sadly movies seem to have a bigger audience then game reviews. Its not economical to spend months on multi-hour content for game reviews only 10k people watch. I get that. If I where him, it'd do the same - including creating EFAP because its easy content easy money.
I'm happy that he found a way to get payed for his work. I'm just sad that the reviewer I loved is gone now.

He often talks about how nobody really listens to what reviewers have to say and are only there to have their bias confirmed. Thats exactly what happened to his star wars reviews. Everyone already agrees that the movies are bad. His jobs wasn't to evaluate the movies, it was to ridicule them for any and every logic inconsistency and slight of hand that can be found. And he did that awesomely.
That, streamlined is what EFAP is. Public pointing and laughing, no deeper then that.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Why is he sperging out over a novelization of the movie? He's beating this horse harder than Mauler beat Last Jedi. It's starting to get incredibly petty, he must really hate good movies.

He forcing a meme hard in his twitter right now. It started with this:

Now he is doing this:

He's been doing this for 20 hours straight. Even changed his name to match.

 

[Korpon]

He forcing a meme hard in his twitter right now. It started with this:
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Now he is doing this:
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He's been doing this for 20 hours straight. Even changed his name to match.

What the Hell has gotten into him? Did changing daddy Maulers mind on Spiderman cause him to go on a sperg filled crusade against the trilogy and other random shit (and turn him into another retard spaz on Twitter)? He's really starting to go off the deep end, I always knew he was "special" since he first became an orbiter, but damn I didn't expect this.



He seems to love stalking comment sections to find people talking about him as well, I'm gonna go ahead and consider this guy a cow honestly with this kind of behavior and egotism.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

What the Hell has gotten into him? Did changing daddy Maulers mind on Spiderman cause him to go on a sperg filled crusade against the trilogy and other random shit (and turn him into another retard spaz on Twitter)? He's really starting to go off the deep end, I always knew he was "special" since he first became an orbiter, but damn I didn't expect this.

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He seems to love stalking comment sections to find people talking about him as well, I'm gonna go ahead and consider this guy a cow honestly with this kind of behavior and egotism.

He's a little one-note right now, so his entertainment value is tarnished. He'll probably milk this for a while. However, his future seems unclear to me. What will he do after the conflict from the review run out? He's been doing this for two months. That was his first review too, mind you. He only has two videos, the SM2 review with 40k views, and this, which was recorded a month before the review. I haven't watched it, but it is a recording of an argument between Southpaw and some other person called Shandy Dasquire over Raimi Spider-man that started with a Twitter argument. May be worth a watch, but it shows that he has been arguing about this longer than I thought.

It might be interesting seeing what Junior is like without Senior present. I'll give it a shot in a little bit, I suppose.
EDIT: Some autist gave timestamps in the comments, as is normal.
EDIT: Apparently upon rewatching SM2 he dragged MauLer and Anomaly on a private watch-together to show him how bad an action scene was. It's that punch argument, I think. Remember the twitter storm from that? I forgot that he started it. He also shared 'idiotic arguments' with MauLer so that MauLer could validate him.
EDIT: The person he is arguing with is just as bad as he is. This is what it's like watching two people arguing under MauLer's standard.
EDIT: Southpaw says he does not believe in objective quality. I'm confused. Shandy seems to dislike this as well. He described his use on discord as a 'a disease'.
EDIT: They all clearly worship MauLer. They barely even hide it. You can feel the sheer euphoria in Southpaw's words when he talks about MauLer siding with him on Twitter or in private. I can't imagine what he was like when MauLer admitted SM2 was bad. He probably unironically jumped up and cheered, since that meant he had total victory over the people who argued with him on Twitter.
EDIT: Oh no. Here comes the tentacle blade. Even his opponents see the argument behind it as foolproof. Southpaw is very clearly proud of this argument, too.
EDIT: He is even worse than MauLer in the way that he makes you want to yell at the screen saying "WHO CARES?!" The fact that the people he is 'arguing' with are humoring him is making it worse. He is VERY boring. Makes me appreciate MauLer a bit more. His monotone voice grates on me something fierce.
EDIT: He and Shandy are going through this scene by scene to talk about visual minutiae.
EDIT: I should probably tell you that he said that he was making the review when he recorded this.

 

[Otis Boi]

Oh no. Here comes the tentacle blade. Even his opponents see the argument behind it as foolproof. Southpaw is very clearly proud of this argument, too.

I'll admit it has been a while since I have seen spiderman 2 but wasn't it explained that Doc Ock was beining manulplated by the Tentecales? It would stand to reason that the Human part of him would want the visceral feeling of killing spiderman due to laten feeling of anger. The human mind love catharsis and I belive doing it with the tentacle blades would have left him unsatisfited.


Then again it's a dumb action movie and it is more exciting for things to play out a bit unrealisticly when it comes to a movie let alone one with people running around it dumb outfits. Who cares as long as it was visualy and/or emotionaly intresting to warch.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

I am 45 minutes in and I give up. I'm getting a new appreciation of EFAP. EFAP, EFAP, could move on from topics faster than this. It's just 4 nobodies mumbling on about what is inconsistent in a 19-year old movie. I can;t believe they went on like this for 5 hours. I don't care whether or not Southpaw convinced his friend about how egregiously bad SM2 is, if at all. When they are talking about the context it is more entertaining than the body of the livestream. The only time Southpaw stops being monotone is when he reads a tweet by MauLer agreeing with him about how the 'rule of cool' is hogwash.
EDIT: All I have learned is that Southpaw is definitely a miserable human being. I don't even think he can get ironic joy out of something like MauLer and Rags can. He dissected SM2 with a scalpel. I can't imagine what he is like for other movies. He doesn't even seem human. Southpaw is more like an insect. I had heard autists could be like this, but I'm still somewhat shocked. He isn't MauLer Jr. He's a different type than him.

 

[Elescondido]

What the Hell has gotten into him? Did changing daddy Maulers mind on Spiderman cause him to go on a sperg filled crusade against the trilogy and other random shit (and turn him into another retard spaz on Twitter)? He's really starting to go off the deep end, I always knew he was "special" since he first became an orbiter, but damn I didn't expect this.

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He seems to love stalking comment sections to find people talking about him as well, I'm gonna go ahead and consider this guy a cow honestly with this kind of behavior and egotism.

This is so funny considering Mauler already was too late on the TLOU2 bandwagon....
Do those moron thunk mauler's opinion is unique or what ?

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Then again it's a dumb action movie and it is more exciting for things to play out a bit unrealisticly when it comes to a movie let alone one with people running around it dumb outfits. Who cares as long as it was visualy and/or emotionaly intresting to warch.

NO! The presence of the tentacle blade ruins every scene with Dr. Octopus! Its just like the Holdo Maneuver! This movie reminds me of TLoU2!

Seriously, the fact that the Shandy never brought up the fact that Raimi wasn't going for a realistic Comic Book movie infuriated me. He just kept checking the movie frame by frame to confirm Southpaw's statements. He also kept falling back to saying 'editing errors'. Apparently he goes into how much of a terrible person MJ is and at some point Southpaw reads out the definition of 'jealousy' to him. I never reached that point though, I just saw a comment on it.
I found myself missing MauLer and Rags' humor watching this somehow. Say what you want about either of them, but both of them are legitimately charismatic and can be legitimately funny. While the others are bootlicking them, they seem to be at least somewhat fun to be around, especially when watching the nonsense of Batwoman, etc. This livestream feels like a cold dissection rather than a group of friends talking about a movie.
Here's some new things from him on Twitter. He's taking a page out of his master's book by arguing with a 400-subscriber Youtuber whose most viewed video (1.5k views) is a video praising the bank heist scene in SM2 bsck in December, probably in response to Southpaw's video.

Spoiler: The images in the tweets.

If he finds out about us, he's definitely coming here. Or at least will tweet screenshots. Out of all the EFAP crew he seems the pettiest and most sensitive to people badmouthing him. But since this is a MauLer thread I doubt he will come unless we make a unique thread on him. Or talk about SM2 in a positive light. Both work.

How did I miss this? Southpaw has an archive channel. Seems he's been running his own mini-EFAP with some other minor orbiters. Seems he's more committed to it than Fringy was.

He was talking about this video in the livestream and I was confused since I didn't know what he was talking about since he said it was going up. It's the time he dragged MauLer on to a watch-together to show him how bad the movie was. It's only an hour and probably will be worth a watch.

 

[Elescondido]

I kinda feel like Southpaw is the perfect example about much of human failure someone has to be in order to be a Mauler fan.
How does he not realize how pathetic it makes look to use another youtuber for his appeal to authority ?
But probably the most authistic shit is thst they always have to convice the others that their opinions right....
Who the fuck cares if mauler doesnt agree ?
Since the political community has shifted drastically in last the few years i wonder if the maulerverse is what they use to fil their need for trivalism that wouldve been filled by the skeptics years ago

 

[Cemila Mandes]

How did I miss this? Southpaw has an archive channel. Seems he's been running his own mini-EFAP with some other minor orbiters. Seems he's more committed to it than Fringy was.
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He was talking about this video in the livestream and I was confused since I didn't know what he was talking about since he said it was going up. It's the time he dragged MauLer on to a watch-together to show him how bad the movie was. It's only an hour and probably will be worth a watch.

What caught my attention was Anomaly's presence because I remembered him and Southpaw having a falling out. Turns out that was the video that caused the falling out because Anomaly claimed Southpaw recorded him without consent. Don't know who was in the right and don't care because Southpaw is an uninteresting knock-off and Anomaly is too unstable for anyone to take his side.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

What caught my attention was Anomaly's presence because I remembered him and Southpaw having a falling out. Turns out that was the video that caused the falling out because Anomaly claimed Southpaw recorded him without consent. Don't know who was in the right and don't care because Southpaw is an uninteresting knock-off and Anomaly is too unstable for anyone to take his side.

In the argument livestream when he talked about this event Southpaw clearly didn't see what he did as wrong. He also maligned Anomaly and called his arguments biased. I suggest just watching the first 15 or so minutes of the argument livestream (anything past that is a waste of time. You might as well watch the review because it is mostly the same points), before they actually start to talk about the movie. He also talks about his argument with SK and other things I failed to mention, looking back my summary of that part of the stream was poor. It might tie a lot of events together from a few months ago that we talked about, and give insight into Southpaw's behavior, though this is before MauLer changed his mind fully.

 

[Shieldman]

Mauler referred to the Anomaly thing briefly on this EFAP https://youtu.be/BzOtK7m4aD0?t=19864 but he did talk about it on more detail somewhere else that I can't find.
Pretty sure that Anomaly doubled and tripled down on his "Wolf kill yourself" moment and it's permanently out of the EFAP circle. This Anomaly guy seems very unstable so I doubt they'll fix it behind the scenes.
I also found this thread

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Mauler referred to the Anomaly thing briefly on this EFAP https://youtu.be/BzOtK7m4aD0?t=19864 but he did talk about it on more detail somewhere else that I can't find.
Pretty sure that Anomaly doubled and tripled down on his "Wolf kill yourself" moment and it's permanently out of the EFAP circle. This Anomaly guy seems very unstable so I doubt they'll fix it behind the scenes.
I also found this thread
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He hasn't made a video in over a month, since Jan. 4, which is unusual judging by the lengths of time between his videos. His argument with Southpaw happened on the 5th, just a day after. His twitter right now is completely inane memes and retweets since his public freakout. Not sure if this means if he was brought to heel, but it might mean something. He has only been on EFAP twice, and last time was in the spring of 2020. He's definitely being cut off. But I don't know much about him in the first place, so there's that.

 

[biscuitscilia]

Mauler referred to the Anomaly thing briefly on this EFAP https://youtu.be/BzOtK7m4aD0?t=19864 but he did talk about it on more detail somewhere else that I can't find.
Pretty sure that Anomaly doubled and tripled down on his "Wolf kill yourself" moment and it's permanently out of the EFAP circle. This Anomaly guy seems very unstable so I doubt they'll fix it behind the scenes.
I also found this thread
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I'm actually not in the loop on this but I'm fascinated with how many times I've heard of Wolf getting fucked around behind the scenes. No wonder he had a mental breakdown, this environment is way too abusive to him and I'm not sure if it's because he has no spine and so he doesn't stand up from himself that makes him an easy target, or if the EFAP crew is genuinely filled with conceited psychopaths. The fact he's still in that circle is probably not helping even when he isn't on the internet anymore. I'm convinced that meeting Mauler was the worst thing that ever happened to him.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

I'm actually not in the loop on this but I'm fascinated with how many times I've heard of Wolf getting fucked around behind the scenes. No wonder he had a mental breakdown, this environment is way too abusive to him and I'm not sure if it's because he has no spine and so he doesn't stand up from himself that makes him an easy target, or if the EFAP crew is genuinely filled with conceited psychopaths. The fact he's still in that circle is probably not helping even when he isn't on the internet anymore. I'm convinced that meeting Mauler was the worst thing that ever happened to him.

The biggest tragedy about this is that I think MauLer, Rags and Wolf were legitimately friends (and still are as far as I know) even though I doubt they've ever met in person. None of the things that happened were directly as a result of MauLer or even Rags. It is the fault of the community, culture and outlook that formed as a result of MauLer. I don't think they are a bunch of conceited psychopaths yet, but who knows what is happening we aren't privy to? MauLer and Rags are easy to understand and are seemingly largely above internal drama, preferring to attack outwards. I know basically nothing about these minor contributors who are active on social media more than EFAP, or their relationships with the others. Up until recently I thought the 'bootlickers' were of little consequence. If there really is nothing, they can keep us entertained until MauLer stops being boring again.