Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[A nameless trool]

That's exactly what I'm trying to do with my slasher books. I'm modeling it after some of my favorite franchises, primarily Friday the 13th. Books 1-3 are normal slasher stories about the Raven Hill Butcher, but in book 4 it takes the "supernatural" turn that F13, Halloween, and all the other franchises take. Book 5 sort of is the "return to basics" movie that they all get. I haven't written books 6 onward yet, but book 6 is gonna be the inevitable "reboot."

That sounds really cool!
Drop me a link when they are on.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

That sounds really cool!
Drop me a link when they are on.

Thank you. The preorders for 1-3 are up already for the ebooks, here's the link. The paperbacks can't be put up for preorder, so those files will just be submitted when each preorder period is over.

Just waiting on the new cover artist to turn in the art for 4 and 5 before I upload those. The previous cover artist discovered cg and quit on me, despite being part way into production on the 4th cover. She did refund me, but it threw off my timeline a bit (and is annoying because now the covers won't all look "cohesive" and will have a different art style).

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

You behave an awful lot like a dyed in wool capitalist COMMI3 MARK, right down to taking something that costs nothing created by someone else, adding value and then selling it for a profit.

It's up cycling bro. Great Thunberg would be proud. One could also argue its very communist to sit back and reap the rewards of work other people did.

Your doing capitalism right. Congratulations on the success you've earned.

Despite my sarcasm detector going haywire at this comment I'm going to take it as a compliment.

Unlike most of your twitter communists I'm not motivated by an allergy to hard work or rebelling against daddy's wealth. I know I'm not gonna lead a glorious revolution against the government. For the time being I'm focused on "Socialism in one House."
Its all part of my 2nd Great Leap Forward.

With the exception of @FROG I don't think anyone else in CG legit believes they can turnover a million dollars. But I'm gonna try really fucking hard.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I would argue the opposite - that's it's far easier to be a successful youtuber than a successful independent comic artist, hence why artists are turning to youtube to get their projects funded versus traditional means. And why shouldn't it be? The audience for independently made youtube content is orders of magnitude greater than the audience for indie comics. I can't imagine Bill Willingham or Graham Nolan are willing to risk decades-long careers devoid of controversy out of some desire to guest on the JACK show or something. As much as some guys gripe about "not wanting to be youtubers", people turn to it and stick to it only because the alternatives to success as an independent comics creator must be that much harder. Harder but not impossible, as Kamen America proves.


Also, to go back to a post @Smug Freiza made a few days ago on the subject of fatigue within the Comicsgate audience:



In order to get some hard figures to help get to the bottom of this, I added a feature to my current tools to pull data directly off of IndieGogo pages from the listed campaigns on CreatorGo. I felt that the best metrics for the cause of waning excitement for campaigns and fatigue would be the following:

• "Exposure": Exposure is the amount of time when the IGG campaign page is created and pre-order mailing lists start to be made. This therefore counts the amount of time between when a CG consumer first becomes aware of a campaign and when the product is actually received.
• "Wait" - "Wait time" encompasses the time between when a campaign launches and when a campaign fulfills - how long someone who backed on launch will have to wait until they received what they paid for (assuming they meet their estimated fulfillment date) and how long they are expected to maintain excitement for their purchase.
• "Overdue:" This tracks projects that have passed their estimated fulfillment date and by how many days. Late books are of course a common complain of repeat business.

Now I realize that there are outstanding projects from 2018 and 2019, but the independent crowdfund careers from the likes of Mitch Breitweiser, Andrew Huerta, Cridious, Donal Delay and Martina Markota are effectively finished as far as the consumer is concerned even if they fulfill at this point.
With that said, which product in Comicsgate that launched in 2020 has the highest wait time between purchase at launch and receiving of product?


#1 - CYBERFROG 2: REKT PLANET
TOTAL WAIT: 426 DAYS


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So there may be some correlation between the CG people complaining about waiting so long to get what they paid for that they're no longer excited when they get it and the majority of them backing the longest wait period between purchase and reception in all of Comicsgate. Comicsgate customers may talk but money walks, and the benefits of grindingly marketing a product for long periods of time appear to overwhelmingly outweigh any appeal or good word of mouth that quick fulfillment brings. It also means that much of these criticisms of Comicsgate are generally synonymous with complaints about being a Frog customer.

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Personally, I don't get why Camel Moon's sycophantic 32 page e-celeb comic "Hail Salad" takes longer to get in customer hands than it took Liam Gray and Ody to produce 310 pages of work. The due dates highlighted in green are upcoming estimated delivery dates; the ones in red are dates that have come and gone by. The wait times highlighted in orange are late campaigns. So far, every one of these extremely high wait period projects (Cash Grab, Expendables Go To Hell, Shadow Sentry, Blade Devil, Brand and Tales from the Stacks) have had their extremely generous estimated delivery dates come and go and have yet to be fulfilled. We'll have to wait and see if any of the listed people are able to meet the standard set by Liam.

But anyone who reads a campaign page in full knows what they're getting into as far as estimated delivery date goes. People who back campaigns that turn out to miss their deadlines have no real warning. With that, which campaigns are the latest?


#1 - THE EXPENDABLES GO TO HELL
TOTAL LATE: 244 DAYS


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Clocking in at 244 days past its initial due date of June 15th 2020, "consumer advocate" Simple Zack holds the distinction of the most overdue of any campaign launched last year. Between late delivery, an underwhelming gross and now an across-the-board superior alternative of Ross Ritchie/Boom Studios for interested celebrities, it's safe to say that this is Zack's first and last work involving a licensed franchise.

So Comicsgate's #1 and #2 hold the distinction of the longest wait time and most overdue campaigns of all the options available to CG consumers. And yet they are the most popular consumer choice. Let's take a look at all the currently late, unfulfilled campaigns:

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At present there are 17 overdue campaigns launched from 2020, again not counting the well-known unfulfilled crowdfunds from 2018 and 2019. Of those Zack is the only one who has closed his campaigns and has stopped taking additional funds. Ardanna #0 is having fulfillment reports coming in today.


On the other end of the spectrum, what benefit does rapid delivery have? We all know Vestige #2 tried and failed this, but some actually succeeded. These three outings were the lowest wait times of any new (non-reprinted) content:

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Seicho 66 by Matthew Fowler & Matt Weldon - 75 days wait time, $6845
Do As You're Told: The Ballad of No: by Richard Meyer & Kelsey Shannon - 28 days wait time, $69600
How to Die #1 by Joshua Plack & Bogdan Ristea - 75 days wait time, $1455

Only a handful of CG titles have released non-reprinted content with 3 months of launching a campaign and none of them except Ballad of No have made 5 digit figures.

In conclusion: The Comicsgater may complain of having to wait but the data shows delaying to shill is objectively more productive then delivering as fast as possible, so they suffer what they must.

Excellent write up Mr Dongs. I would say its best to do one campaign at a time and Zack fucked himself. He should have focused 100% on the expendables comic especially after choosing to go the licensed IP route.

If YBZ had devoted all of his time and energy into expendables it would have made more money and elevated him one step closer to taking on larger IP's and writing the "good comics".

Ethan's show is 80% sperging and 20% self-ad time. I wouldn't be surprised if Ethan starts having his own company pay him for adspace and sitting there with a timer just out of view until the next cyberfrog promo.

@FROG you should talk to people in radio shows on running self-promos.

I think the comicsgate format is slowly changing into a show and it's weeding out already proven artists that aren't good performers or can't deal with dumb internet bullshit.

The autismzone of CG has only gotten bigger and the speds that claim they are "finally going to make my own comic book" are tiring to even look at. Imagine being Ethan and getting DM's from those guys.

You're dang right. I want this too. So I'm going to deliver it, without bending nor subversion. DEUS VULT will go live on IndieGoGo next week.

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Looks amazing honestly. Coloring in great and the retro style is cool.

I think the main problem is something that @Mister Dongs recently identified in a Michael Bancroft stream, which I'm too lazy to go back and screenshot. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something along the lines of "I'm amazed that 3 years into Comicsgate a lot of new and veteran creators are forgetting the lessons that have been learned during that time."

A humble suggestion from me would be for you to make a video titled "Crowdfunding Pro Secrets: What I've Learned" which could be used as a resource for up and coming Comicsgate creators to use for crowdfunding by sharing what you've learned over the past 3 years.

Some points for the video could include:

• The necessity for building your own platform and not launching any project until you have at least 1K subs, or possibly even more. To put out content people will actually enjoy and find entertaining, rather than just shilling the latest books on offer.
• If building their own platform doesn't work, perhaps they could collaborate with others to make a show more entertaining. For example according to Mister Dongs in his post here, it was your idea for Mandy, Piper and Charlie's London to consolidate into a single show. "For those of you unfamiliar, "CG Ladies Night" was a show Mandy put together on the counsel of @FROG to get all the CG e-girls on a single stream and consolidate the simp demographic into a single hopefully watchable program. This idea is beneficial for those who can't carry a stream by themselves and can bounce topics off co-hosts, it also frees up room for a larger audience since instead of having three different channels and streams completing for views, there is just one show. Other examples of this format working well is the JACK Show and The Trash Compactor Show. Having a dedicated channel like @TESTEFY-HD does or cycling the show across several channels like the JACK Show, either way could work.
• Having these smaller creators creating a Comicsgate Creator group DM on twitter where all the creators can plan their release schedule so we don't end up with 32 projects all launching within the same month and a half.
• Not launching during the December - January period which has always been a historically bad time to launch a crowdfund due to Christmas. Launching during tax time is also allegedly a bad time to launch a campaign.
• Ensuring you have a campaign page with not too many tiers, interior art displayed and shipping prices all correct - especially for international.

That's all I can think of at the moment but this might be information what a lot of first time crowdfunders have forgotten or not understood. In future if anyone asks you for advice you can just link them the video, or one of your followers can do it.

EDIT: You could also emphasize the importance of contracts, how to pay artists and a list of CG friendly streams where you can find promotion eg: Jon Malins Comicsgate Presents, Lord Finatra, Dark Gift Comics, Michael Bancroft etc.

The problem is too many new guys can't differentiate between entertainment and sperging/autistic slapfighting.

It's up cycling bro. Great Thunberg would be proud. One could also argue its very communist to sit back and reap the rewards of work other people did.



Despite my sarcasm detector going haywire at this comment I'm going to take it as a compliment.

Unlike most of your twitter communists I'm not motivated by an allergy to hard work or rebelling against daddy's wealth. I know I'm not gonna lead a glorious revolution against the government. For the time being I'm focused on "Socialism in one House."
Its all part of my 2nd Great Leap Forward.

With the exception of @FROG I don't think anyone else in CG legit believes they can turnover a million dollars. But I'm gonna try really fucking hard.

Don't ever let yourself get trolled on the internet by a salad dressing.

 

[A nameless trool]

Thank you. The preorders for 1-3 are up already for the ebooks, here's the link. The paperbacks can't be put up for preorder, so those files will just be submitted when each preorder period is over.

Just waiting on the new cover artist to turn in the art for 4 and 5 before I upload those. The previous cover artist discovered cg and quit on me, despite being part way into production on the 4th cover. She did refund me, but it threw off my timeline a bit (and is annoying because now the covers won't all look "cohesive" and will have a different art style).

Got them.
And, as an added bonus let me tell you how selling books of social media (be it youtube, twitter or a forum works). I, the audience, interact with the creator's content. I engage with them. I grow a bond.
At some point they say: "I have a book out". The audience will take a look and, if it sounds right down their alley, they will get it.
Pricing, timing, format make said product more or less attractive. I had the $9 and it was four clicks away, so I did it because I want to give Nasser another chance. Simple as that.

This is how @FROG streams work. He is entertaining. People love to tune in because he can be fun. He talks about comics and star wars, stuff they used to like, but do not enjoy anymore.
He talks to them, reads superchats and interacts with the audience. There are chat regurals who you can talk to. This a bond forming with him and he makes sure to pitch his Cyberfrog comic and it sounds like all the things you used to like but are ruined by the esjaydoubleyous. After listening to it 50 times, you are bound to find yourself with $25 to spend and will order it.

The challenge most CG people have is to get enough people to watch their videos enough times so they can sell them their book. So, it is down to amassing a big audience of people likely to back you.
And, honestly, if Sweetcast, a guy with a voice and personality for public safety announcements can do it, everybody can...

It's up cycling bro. Great Thunberg would be proud. One could also argue its very communist to sit back and reap the rewards of work other people did.



Despite my sarcasm detector going haywire at this comment I'm going to take it as a compliment.

Unlike most of your twitter communists I'm not motivated by an allergy to hard work or rebelling against daddy's wealth. I know I'm not gonna lead a glorious revolution against the government. For the time being I'm focused on "Socialism in one House."
Its all part of my 2nd Great Leap Forward.

With the exception of @FROG I don't think anyone else in CG legit believes they can turnover a million dollars. But I'm gonna try really fucking hard.

Yeah, this is how americans misunderstand socialism.
Socialism is not about the state giving spoiled brats money over not doing anything, thanks to the labour of hardworking folks. This is called neoliberal capitalism.
Socialism is about the common, hardworking people making a living out of their honest work and by having access to the means of productions.

Again, CG is a socialist movement because it is against an elite sitting on IP and leeching of it by monopolizing the market and that everybody with a comicbook people want to buy should be able to sell it.
It is a very simple idea that most people would agree with, but the frothing at the mouth mad cows of CG have driven anybody esle outside it. But then again Americans fail at communism all the time.

 

[FROG]

You're dang right. I want this too. So I'm going to deliver it, without bending nor subversion. DEUS VULT will go live on IndieGoGo next week.

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This is really good, JDA. It's fun to look at.

Tell your artist to be careful with the way he draws women though. From the waist down, that chick is a man, baby.

 

[Newman's Own]

Despite my sarcasm detector going haywire at this comment I'm going to take it as a compliment.

Unlike most of your twitter communists I'm not motivated by an allergy to hard work or rebelling against daddy's wealth. I know I'm not gonna lead a glorious revolution against the government. For the time being I'm focused on "Socialism in one House."
Its all part of my 2nd Great Leap Forward.

With the exception of @FROG I don't think anyone else in CG legit believes they can turnover a million dollars. But I'm gonna try really fucking hard.

It was sarcastic but it was also a genuine compliment.

There's a word for "socialism in one house".

It's called "capitalism". And you are doing a good job of it. Socialism works at the family level extremely well. It works ok but less so at the level of small communes like among the Amish and the hippies of the 60's and 70's.

Socialism becomes a cluster fuck as it's scaled up. 250 people is sustainable. Numbers in the thousands start to break down and when we get into the millions we have "The Killing Fields", "The Holomodor" or the Korean famine in the 90's.

I salute your family level communism, and support your right to start a commune and grow kale to sell at the farmers market. I just think it's retarded to try again the ideas at a state level that led to 100's of millions of deaths last century.

I've got genuine respect for your repurposing out of date work to resell your value added versions. Good stuff.

 

[Analog Devolved]

This is really good, JDA. It's fun to look at.

Tell your artist to be careful with the way he draws women though. From the waist down, that chick is a man, baby.

If anyone can identify a man from the waist down it's Ethan. You better listen @TheCosmicWarrior.

 

[SargonF00t]

Socialism becomes a cluster fuck as it's scaled up. 250 people is sustainable. Numbers in the thousands start to break down and when we get into the millions we have "The Killing Fields", "The Holomodor" or the Korean famine in the 90's.

I salute your family level communism, and support your right to start a commune and grow kale to sell at the farms market. I just think it's retarded to try again the ideas at a state level that led to 100's of millions of deaths last century.

That wasn't real communism.

 

[A nameless trool]

It was sarcastic but it was also a genuine compliment.

There's a word for "socialism in one house".

It's called "capitalism". And you are doing a good job of it. Socialism works at the family level extremely well. It works ok but less so at the level of small communes like among the Amish and the hippies of the 60's and 70's.

Socialism becomes a cluster fuck as it's scaled up. 250 people is sustainable. Numbers in the thousands start to break down and when we get into the millions we have "The Killing Fields", "The Holomodor" or the Korean famine in the 90's.

I salute your family level communism, and support your right to start a commune and grow kale to sell at the farms market. I just think it's retarded to try again the ideas at a state level that led to 100's of millions of deaths last century.

I've got genuine respect for your repurposing out of date work to resell your value added versions. Good stuff.

Offer public infrastructure (healthcare, enetgy, water, social services) and you are prety close to a healthy socialism with a free, regulated market. Totalitarian socialism does not work. Big business are also barely working and inefficient and only survive due to the crazy ammount of money they have and their pull on politicians and banks.

 

[Newman's Own]

That wasn't real communism.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Got them.
And, as an added bonus let me tell you how selling books of social media (be it youtube, twitter or a forum works). I, the audience, interact with the creator's content. I engage with them. I grow a bond.
At some point they say: "I have a book out". The audience will take a look and, if it sounds right down their alley, they will get it.
Pricing, timing, format make said product more or less attractive. I had the $9 and it was four clicks away, so I did it because I want to give Nasser another chance. Simple as that.

This is how @FROG streams work. He is entertaining. People love to tune in because he can be fun. He talks about comics and star wars, stuff they used to like, but do not enjoy anymore.
He talks to them, reads superchats and interacts with the audience. There are chat regurals who you can talk to. This a bond forming with him and he makes sure to pitch his Cyberfrog comic and it sounds like all the things you used to like but are ruined by the esjaydoubleyous. After listening to it 50 times, you are bound to find yourself with $25 to spend and will order it.

The challenge most CG people have is to get enough people to watch their videos enough times so they can sell them their book. So, it is down to amassing a big audience of people likely to back you.
And, honestly, if Sweetcast, a guy with a voice and personality for public safety announcements can do it, everybody can...


Yeah, this is how americans misunderstand socialism.
Socialism is not about the state giving spoiled brats money over not doing anything, thanks to the labour of hardworking folks. This is called neoliberal capitalism.
Socialism is about the common, hardworking people making a living out of their honest work and by having access to the means of productions.

Again, CG is a socialist movement because it is against an elite sitting on IP and leeching of it by monopolizing the market and that everybody with a comicbook people want to buy should be able to sell it.
It is a very simple idea that most people would agree with, but the frothing at the mouth mad cows of CG have driven anybody esle outside it. But then again Americans fail at communism all the time.

Thank you so much

 

[A nameless trool]

PLEASE SOMEBODY CAPTURE THIS BREAKDOWN GOING ON RIGHT NOW FROM LIAM!!! THIS IS GLORIOUS!

Liam is letting everyone know why he is better than the Japanese people

Currently watching, feels like a car crash EFAPed by a group of overcaffeinated spergs that can't stay on topic.
At around 1:41:00 Liam says he doesn't have the charm of TUG, so I guess that by now my IQ is in the double digts.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

I couldn't care less about YouTube but I'm just gonna talk about what I like and hope it brings new people in--horror movies/novels/comics, and true crime. Most of what I watch on YouTube is true crime, so I'm gonna try going that route.

My third true crime video is gonna be uploaded tomorrow. So far I've done 2. Not to shill, but has anyone watched these?

I think I'm gonna do some urban legend videos too, talk about different weird/creepy things.

Unfortunately, I did. Reading comments on video from reddit about an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, does not make for compelling content.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Got them.
And, as an added bonus let me tell you how selling books of social media (be it youtube, twitter or a forum works). I, the audience, interact with the creator's content. I engage with them. I grow a bond.
At some point they say: "I have a book out". The audience will take a look and, if it sounds right down their alley, they will get it.
Pricing, timing, format make said product more or less attractive. I had the $9 and it was four clicks away, so I did it because I want to give Nasser another chance. Simple as that.

This is how @FROG streams work. He is entertaining. People love to tune in because he can be fun. He talks about comics and star wars, stuff they used to like, but do not enjoy anymore.
He talks to them, reads superchats and interacts with the audience. There are chat regurals who you can talk to. This a bond forming with him and he makes sure to pitch his Cyberfrog comic and it sounds like all the things you used to like but are ruined by the esjaydoubleyous. After listening to it 50 times, you are bound to find yourself with $25 to spend and will order it.

The challenge most CG people have is to get enough people to watch their videos enough times so they can sell them their book. So, it is down to amassing a big audience of people likely to back you.
And, honestly, if Sweetcast, a guy with a voice and personality for public safety announcements can do it, everybody can...


Yeah, this is how americans misunderstand socialism.
Socialism is not about the state giving spoiled brats money over not doing anything, thanks to the labour of hardworking folks. This is called neoliberal capitalism.
Socialism is about the common, hardworking people making a living out of their honest work and by having access to the means of productions.

Again, CG is a socialist movement because it is against an elite sitting on IP and leeching of it by monopolizing the market and that everybody with a comicbook people want to buy should be able to sell it.
It is a very simple idea that most people would agree with, but the frothing at the mouth mad cows of CG have driven anybody esle outside it. But then again Americans fail at communism all the time.

Sold! You know, I might just have to give Das Kapital a read....

It was sarcastic but it was also a genuine compliment.

There's a word for "socialism in one house".

It's called "capitalism". And you are doing a good job of it. Socialism works at the family level extremely well. It works ok but less so at the level of small communes like among the Amish and the hippies of the 60's and 70's.

Socialism becomes a cluster fuck as it's scaled up. 250 people is sustainable. Numbers in the thousands start to break down and when we get into the millions we have "The Killing Fields", "The Holomodor" or the Korean famine in the 90's.

I salute your family level communism, and support your right to start a commune and grow kale to sell at the farmers market. I just think it's retarded to try again the ideas at a state level that led to 100's of millions of deaths last century.

I've got genuine respect for your repurposing out of date work to resell your value added versions. Good stuff.

..well shit, now I just confused.

Oh well, there is at least one certainty I can still cling to, Nasser is definitely the Ed Wood of Comicsgate.

 

[jspit2.0]

Currently watching, feels like a car crash EFAPed by a group of overcaffeinated spergs that can't stay on topic.
At around 1:41:00 Liam says he doesn't have the charm of TUG, so I guess that by now my IQ is in the double digts.

Write ups are important. I tried to write one for Liam. I've never had trouble following, summarizing, and making a stream fun or making fun of a stream. But I threw my hands up. Liam has a unique mix of autistic ADHD combined with a brazen lack of scruples that when combined with a surprisingly borderline functioning IQ...

He was going out there and just grabbing other peoples narratives. But smart, scrupulous people throw them out slowly, looking to test reactions. He just throws all, at times contradictory statements out there and rambles. It was too much and I suffered an autism overload. Since then, I've sworn that orange shit off. Only in small doses and never with the intent of looking for deeper meaning.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Imagine


EDIT: I guess donal is gonna be the next "Hey guys, we raised $39,000 but I need MORE money" guy

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

Imagine
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EDIT: I guess donal is gonna be the next "Hey guys, we raised $39,000 but I need MORE money" guy

You're gonna have to pay him.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

Imagine
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EDIT: I guess donal is gonna be the next "Hey guys, we raised $39,000 but I need MORE money" guy

Donal needs his ex-wife's boyfriend's pizza to give him the strength to finally fulfill the Brutus campaign. Donal without his cuck pizza is kinda like Popeye without his spinach.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Imagine
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EDIT: I guess donal is gonna be the next "Hey guys, we raised $39,000 but I need MORE money" guy

The numbers don't make any sense. You really should insist on an accounting of where all the money went.