perhaps the most retarded idea I've ever had

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The coins look very nice and what is wrong with the Latin? it means "from what is true and honest" see below.

A suggestion would be year of minting, a small 2021 somewhere would be nice. But I don't like serial codes etc., the more they stay as real coins the better. Will they come in plastic boxes so they can stay in mint condition?

Note that gold coins don't have to be especially expensive. An English Sovereign weighs just under 8 g and they have imho a nice size, KF gold coins can be made smaller and thinner.

Nominalization of the neuter of vērus (“true”).

Noun​

vērum n (genitive vērī); second declension


  1. reality, fact

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Second-declension noun (neuter).


CaseSingularPlural
Nominativevērumvēra
Genitivevērīvērōrum
Dativevērōvērīs
Accusativevērumvēra
Ablativevērōvērīs
Vocativevērumvēra
 
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nya001 said:
Note that gold coins don't have to be especially expensive. An English Sovereign weighs just under 8 g and they have imho a nice size, KF gold coins can be made smaller and thinner.
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I'm not sure what counts as "especially expensive" for you but even a 6g round would be $350+ in metal, each.
 
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That_Guy said:
How did I miss this until now? Love the reverse, Obverse? Not great, But not sure I really care. I'm good for two of them. Pre-order sounds fine.
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Heinous Fuckery said:
Just to go on record, I'm in too.
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I wonder if @Null is keeping tally for how many of us are autistic enough to pre-order... and if he's brave enough to take that money; though no doubt most of us are stupid enough to actually put money on the table.

Except fuck the banks & Kickstarter.

I had an idea last night on how a coin pre-order can be set up, using escrow, and a lawyer(?) as the intermediary.

From Wikipedia:
In the UK, escrow accounts are often used during private property transactions to hold solicitors' clients' money, such as the deposit, until such time as the transaction completes.[4] Other examples include purchases of a second-hand car, where the money is held in the name of the buyer in a temporary bank account, deposits for a property rental, where the money is released after the tenant moves out, provision of construction services, where the money may be released when the building work is complete to a defined standard, or when defined parts of the work are completed.
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HarblMcDavid said:
Looks good, assuming the Latin doesn't need altering.
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@Null, I asked someone with extensive background in Latin and linguistics about your meme coin. This is what he said:

"To address the issue raised by @Tathagata, I don't see any grammatical or semantic problem with the phrase EX VERO ET HONESTO. Elision of pronouns and the copula is common in heavily inflected languages like Latin and Greek. The reader is expected to supply the missing words. As was pointed out by @nya001, the phrase can straightforwardly be taken as "from what is true and honorable."

*Note that the adjective honestus in Latin means "honorable, virtuous, proper." It derives from the Latin noun honos 'honor' and doesn't correspond directly with English "honest."

**Incidentally, although I think we have to take vero and honesto as adjectives here, as a point of trivia it's interesting to note that Cicero himself occasionally used these adjectives substantively (as the neuter nouns verum and honestum)."
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
I wonder if @Null is keeping tally for how many of us are autistic enough to pre-order... and if he's brave enough to take that money; though no doubt most of us are stupid enough to actually put money on the table.

Except fuck the banks & Kickstarter.

I had an idea last night on how a coin pre-order can be set up, using escrow, and a lawyer(?) as the intermediary.

From Wikipedia:
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They're all technically pre-orders because they're never made before they're ordered.
 
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Letora said:
@Null, I asked someone with extensive background in Latin and linguistics about your meme coin. This is what he said:

"To address the issue raised by @Tathagata, I don't see any grammatical or semantic problem with the phrase EX VERO ET HONESTO. Ellision of pronouns and the copula is common in heavily inflected languages like Latin and Greek. The reader is expected to supply the missing words. As was pointed out by @nya001, the phrase can straightforwardly be taken as "from what is true and honorable."

*Note that the adjective honestus in Latin means "honorable, virtuous, proper." It derives from the Latin noun honos 'honor' and doesn't correspond directly with English "honest."

**Incidentally, although I think we have to take vero and honesto as adjectives here, as a point of trivia it's interesting to note that Cicero himself occasionally used these adjectives substantively (as the neuter nouns verum and honestum)."
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Okay, I agree with this to the extent that poetic license gives you the ability to elide over more grammatically stringent features like relative pronouns or word order or whatever. Usually, you would need a quo in there to get "from what..." but that could fall out and be expected to be supplied. But the trade off is clarity, as it always is in poetic Latin (and Greek) texts. Personally, I wouldn't expect a relative pronoun to be supplied by the reader in a Latin motto like this and haven't found an example of a Latin motto to which the reader supplies copula in this way. How you relate the clauses just becomes overly confused without it (and since this is original and not drawn from an authoritative source, it's not like there's some background that excuses the confusion).

My point was never that it was grammatically or semantically problematic in absolute terms, rather that in the context of the coin and site itself it's unclear. Because, sure, you could maybe weasel around and supply a relative pronoun and claim those adjectives are substantive neuters matching the supplied pronoun, but that's really unclear. I'm no PhD (fuck the Classics PhD exams, no way I was going to do that shit for a likely-to-fail career), but I did study mainly poetic texts. My first reaction wouldn't be "Oh this says 'From what is true and honorable.' That makes sense." Rather, my first thought is "'From a true and honourable thing...' what the fuck does this mean?"

Cicero used those terms substantively (and, true, Classical Latin is basically just the Latin of Cicero), but Null isn't Cicero. It's easier, more clear, and simpler to use the ablative of a noun like veritas than a substantive adjective with a supplied relative pronoun.

This type of sperging is probably why most colleges in the US took their Latin mottos from the Bible instead of making their own. It's easier to just reuse a good Latin phrase with the authority of Jerome than to sperg about the intricacies of poetic features and how that relates to lay understanding. I just don't want Null to be a point of interest in some staid Classicist's faculty office for having an unintuitive Latin motto on his (according to the MSM) Nazi anti-troon coin.

Honestly, the inscription should just be Mane, Thecel, Phares from the Vulgate of Daniel 5 which is a coin-based pun about the fall of Babylon and the impending death of an oppressive king. But that's a little high falutin for KF. Edit: or of course Catullus' famous pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.
 
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Shit I'll buy some of them; keep them around, show them off to the grandkids when they're getting teary eyed so they'll take me out back and put a round in my head before I get too old to do it myself.
 
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Ballistic said:
I'm not sure what counts as "especially expensive" for you but even a 6g round would be $350+ in metal, each.
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that's what I meant more or less. People who want to support the site will pay for it and in a pinch gold can be resold to any "we buy gold" shop, while silver bullion is not as easy to sell as gold. Additionally, the premium one pays for the "art" is usually much more than the value of the metal itself in silver but not so much with gold.

How to pay? I expect he won't give out his location and will avoid those services that are banning him. Anyone buying the coin will be giving out their location in order to get the actual physical coin and possibly their name. He will probably like Monero, but I mean buying a coin is not illegal and one can even buy it through a proxy if one is truly paranoid or buy it for someone else.

An escrow service for something under $100 is not really worth it.

An additional problem for the person selling the coin is paying taxes on the profit they might be making. US citizens are taxed on their worldwide income and what the government can't do because free speech, the taxman can.
 
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