GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

How good is Iris Xe? Is it comparable with AMD's Vega iGPUs?

I've heard it's about as powerful as a desktop GT 1030.
Isn't Iris Xe limited to CPUs costing far more than the Ryzen G?

What should be a concern is drivers. Intel have always been pretty bare-bones and their iGPUs weren't intended for gaming which shows with their driver support. In my experience they don't hustle to quickly release a new driver just because the latest CoD is glitchy as fuck using their GPU or because a game won't even start. That could have changed now that they're entering the discrete GPU market. In my mind they're still something designed to draw the OS and whatever 3D a web browser can deliver.
 
I saw the GTX 1080 Ti that I currently own is selling pre-owned for ~ $700 on eBay.
It's approaching 🤔 territory.

When it gets to $1,000 I'll have to say sayonara to it. And I'd recommend others do the same.
Not like there's any games coming in the next few years I care about anyhow.
 
I saw the GTX 1080 Ti that I currently own is selling pre-owned for ~ $700 on eBay.
It's approaching 🤔 territory.

When it gets to $1,000 I'll have to say sayonara to it. And I'd recommend others do the same.
Not like there's any games coming in the next few years I care about anyhow.

Wonder what I'd get for a full system including a GTX 1080 Ti and Ryzen 1600 even without a drive or Windows installation.

Time to fire up the ol' camera and make a listing.
 
I'd probably keep the G3, if the cost wasn't wildly different. I've never worked with one, but from what I've heard they're more compact than the G2. Also it's new for what its worth.
Just studied it a little bit. The G3 goes from a 140mm fan to a 130mm fan and is overall slightly shorter. The efficiency specs are mostly identical. The Eco switch was moved to the back. I'm using the G3.

It's come together nicely. This is the first build where I've ever used Noctua's NA-AV2 premium-grade rat buttplugs for the fans instead of screws. Gonna be vibration-free.

Found a vid of what those look like to install. Pretty simple little pieces of silicone. One side of the flange goes against the fan, and the other grips the metal of the case. They lock in quite positively, but I'm concerned the ones with the slotted holes in the front might try sliding down over time. Oh well, I'll think of something to keep them retained in place if that happens.


The FD Define 7 Compact is a fantastic case. I can't believe I've never used a Fractal Design case before. The wireways are excellent, but the door latches are quite unforgiving if you have a thick bundle of wires stuffed under there.

My desk is a custom piece that me and my dad built. It's 8 feet across and made from welded steel angle iron salvaged from an old bed frame that captures a stained piece of plywood (it was very hard, shitty steel that took the teeth off our bandsaw blades), as well as a Workrite ergonomic keyboard tray with a custom wooden surface. This, in turn, is held up by a triangulated frame of steel rods that sits on two Craftsman tool chests that act as the legs. The desk is not super-deep, about 20.25 in./51.4cm. My Corsair Obsidian 900D sits sideways across it. The FD Define 7 Compact should be able to sit with the front facing forward. Should save a lot of desk space. Which is a good thing, since I'm getting a Samsung Odyssey G9 49" 240hz Ultrawide.

I used some cotton swabs and alcohol to prep the CPU and heat sink surfaces, and then applied a coat of Gelid GC-Extreme to the CPU's heat spreader and stuck the heat sink on there. I also swapped out the fan with a 2000 RPM Noctua iPPC, which has the same exact housing and blade design but a slightly more powerful motor and higher max static pressure. The current fan setup is as follows.
  1. The PSU sucking from the bottom and exhausting out the rear rather than pulling hot air from inside the case across the transformer.
  2. The the drive cage was removed and a 120mm fan installed in its place, as an intake, pulling from the bottom. The little plastic shroud pieces above the drive cage were removed to allow for uninhibited flow.
  3. There are two 140mm fans set to intake on the front.
  4. One 120mm exhaust in the rear.
  5. Two 120mm exhausts in the top.
  6. One 120mm fan on the NH-U12S CPU cooler.
A nice unidirectional flow across the CPU from bottom-front to upper-rear, with a slight positive pressure to keep dust out. iPPCs are higher-RPM and louder than the Chromax.blacks, but only if your PWM profile allows for it. My current rig has two radiators and ten of the 3000 RPM iPPCs and sounds like a leaf blower when they're up on max, but they're mostly quite tame when turned all the way down. This new rig should be much quieter.

The RTX 3090 is ENORMOUS! Fucking thicc-ass card. Just barely fit in the case.

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Build’s done. I tossed a Sound Blaster in there, too, because why not? Should sound nice with my AKG cans and my Logitech Z-5500s.

The rig has no window. Both doors have sound dampening foam on them. I’m thinking about adding adhesive foam pads to the top to reduce vibration even further.
 
Just studied it a little bit. The G3 goes from a 140mm fan to a 130mm fan and is overall slightly shorter. The efficiency specs are mostly identical. The Eco switch was moved to the back. I'm using the G3.

It's come together nicely. This is the first build where I've ever used Noctua's NA-AV2 premium-grade rat buttplugs for the fans instead of screws. Gonna be vibration-free.

Found a vid of what those look like to install. Pretty simple little pieces of silicone. One side of the flange goes against the fan, and the other grips the metal of the case. They lock in quite positively, but I'm concerned the ones with the slotted holes in the front might try sliding down over time. Oh well, I'll think of something to keep them retained in place if that happens.


The FD Define 7 Compact is a fantastic case. I can't believe I've never used a Fractal Design case before. The wireways are excellent, but the door latches are quite unforgiving if you have a thick bundle of wires stuffed under there.

My desk is a custom piece that me and my dad built. It's 8 feet across and made from welded steel angle iron salvaged from an old bed frame that captures a stained piece of plywood (it was very hard, shitty steel that took the teeth off our bandsaw blades), as well as a Workrite ergonomic keyboard tray with a custom wooden surface. This, in turn, is held up by a triangulated frame of steel rods that sits on two Craftsman tool chests that act as the legs. The desk is not super-deep, about 20.25 in./51.4cm. My Corsair Obsidian 900D sits sideways across it. The FD Define 7 Compact should be able to sit with the front facing forward. Should save a lot of desk space. Which is a good thing, since I'm getting a Samsung Odyssey G9 49" 240hz Ultrawide.

I used some cotton swabs and alcohol to prep the CPU and heat sink surfaces, and then applied a coat of Gelid GC-Extreme to the CPU's heat spreader and stuck the heat sink on there. I also swapped out the fan with a 2000 RPM Noctua iPPC, which has the same exact housing and blade design but a slightly more powerful motor and higher max static pressure. The current fan setup is as follows.
  1. The PSU sucking from the bottom and exhausting out the rear rather than pulling hot air from inside the case across the transformer.
  2. The the drive cage was removed and a 120mm fan installed in its place, as an intake, pulling from the bottom. The little plastic shroud pieces above the drive cage were removed to allow for uninhibited flow.
  3. There are two 140mm fans set to intake on the front.
  4. One 120mm exhaust in the rear.
  5. Two 120mm exhausts in the top.
  6. One 120mm fan on the NH-U12S CPU cooler.
A nice unidirectional flow across the CPU from bottom-front to upper-rear, with a slight positive pressure to keep dust out. iPPCs are higher-RPM and louder than the Chromax.blacks, but only if your PWM profile allows for it. My current rig has two radiators and ten of the 3000 RPM iPPCs and sounds like a leaf blower when they're up on max, but they're mostly quite tame when turned all the way down. This new rig should be much quieter.

The RTX 3090 is ENORMOUS! Fucking thicc-ass card. Just barely fit in the case.

View attachment 1913790
Build’s done. I tossed a Sound Blaster in there, too, because why not? Should sound nice with my AKG cans and my Logitech Z-5500s.

The rig has no window. Both doors have sound dampening foam on them. I’m thinking about adding adhesive foam pads to the top to reduce vibration even further.

Bugger me. So the Founders Edition does exist and isn't just vaporware sent out to reviewers with golden-sample chips in it.
 
I saw the GTX 1080 Ti that I currently own is selling pre-owned for ~ $700 on eBay.
It's approaching 🤔 territory.

When it gets to $1,000 I'll have to say sayonara to it. And I'd recommend others do the same.
Not like there's any games coming in the next few years I care about anyhow.
I ended up getting the 1080TI just recently just for a quick fix while waiting for the shortage on cards to be done. I'm going to try to scoop up the 3060 when it goes live, so that is a good thing for me to keep note of... Still fucked up how much these cards have been jacked up though, insane.
 
I briefly considered selling my 1080ti and 5700xt (got that for $325), but between dealing with ebay, flushing my loops, putting the air coolers back on, having 2 wasted blocks now, and the fact I upgraded to a 1440p screen after getting the 1080ti....it just ain't happening.
 
I briefly considered selling my 1080ti and 5700xt (got that for $325), but between dealing with ebay, flushing my loops, putting the air coolers back on, having 2 wasted blocks now, and the fact I upgraded to a 1440p screen after getting the 1080ti....it just ain't happening.
Just sell the 5700XT
 
It is legit getting bad out there to build a pc. I think this is worse than the miner rush from years ago. Scalpers, low supply, low yields, renewed mining, tarrifs... its fucking crazy.

Everyone was saying 'wait wait wait'll get better' and it just gets worse.

Its every part too, not just cpus and GPUs. Ram, motherboards and power supplies. I think the only thing not affected are literally PC cases.
 
Just studied it a little bit. The G3 goes from a 140mm fan to a 130mm fan and is overall slightly shorter. The efficiency specs are mostly identical. The Eco switch was moved to the back. I'm using the G3.

It's come together nicely. This is the first build where I've ever used Noctua's NA-AV2 premium-grade rat buttplugs for the fans instead of screws. Gonna be vibration-free.

Found a vid of what those look like to install. Pretty simple little pieces of silicone. One side of the flange goes against the fan, and the other grips the metal of the case. They lock in quite positively, but I'm concerned the ones with the slotted holes in the front might try sliding down over time. Oh well, I'll think of something to keep them retained in place if that happens.


The FD Define 7 Compact is a fantastic case. I can't believe I've never used a Fractal Design case before. The wireways are excellent, but the door latches are quite unforgiving if you have a thick bundle of wires stuffed under there.

My desk is a custom piece that me and my dad built. It's 8 feet across and made from welded steel angle iron salvaged from an old bed frame that captures a stained piece of plywood (it was very hard, shitty steel that took the teeth off our bandsaw blades), as well as a Workrite ergonomic keyboard tray with a custom wooden surface. This, in turn, is held up by a triangulated frame of steel rods that sits on two Craftsman tool chests that act as the legs. The desk is not super-deep, about 20.25 in./51.4cm. My Corsair Obsidian 900D sits sideways across it. The FD Define 7 Compact should be able to sit with the front facing forward. Should save a lot of desk space. Which is a good thing, since I'm getting a Samsung Odyssey G9 49" 240hz Ultrawide.

I used some cotton swabs and alcohol to prep the CPU and heat sink surfaces, and then applied a coat of Gelid GC-Extreme to the CPU's heat spreader and stuck the heat sink on there. I also swapped out the fan with a 2000 RPM Noctua iPPC, which has the same exact housing and blade design but a slightly more powerful motor and higher max static pressure. The current fan setup is as follows.
  1. The PSU sucking from the bottom and exhausting out the rear rather than pulling hot air from inside the case across the transformer.
  2. The the drive cage was removed and a 120mm fan installed in its place, as an intake, pulling from the bottom. The little plastic shroud pieces above the drive cage were removed to allow for uninhibited flow.
  3. There are two 140mm fans set to intake on the front.
  4. One 120mm exhaust in the rear.
  5. Two 120mm exhausts in the top.
  6. One 120mm fan on the NH-U12S CPU cooler.
A nice unidirectional flow across the CPU from bottom-front to upper-rear, with a slight positive pressure to keep dust out. iPPCs are higher-RPM and louder than the Chromax.blacks, but only if your PWM profile allows for it. My current rig has two radiators and ten of the 3000 RPM iPPCs and sounds like a leaf blower when they're up on max, but they're mostly quite tame when turned all the way down. This new rig should be much quieter.

The RTX 3090 is ENORMOUS! Fucking thicc-ass card. Just barely fit in the case.

View attachment 1913790
Build’s done. I tossed a Sound Blaster in there, too, because why not? Should sound nice with my AKG cans and my Logitech Z-5500s.

The rig has no window. Both doors have sound dampening foam on them. I’m thinking about adding adhesive foam pads to the top to reduce vibration even further.
That's nice and all, but can it run Crysis on max at 4K?

The friend that wanted a 3060 TI for Christmas gave up. He cannot find one for a price that doesn't belong in Bedlam. He went with upgrading his CPU to an R7 2700 and some more RAM instead.
 
It is legit getting bad out there to build a pc. I think this is worse than the miner rush from years ago. Scalpers, low supply, low yields, renewed mining, tarrifs... its fucking crazy.

Everyone was saying 'wait wait wait'll get better' and it just gets worse.

Its every part too, not just cpus and GPUs. Ram, motherboards and power supplies. I think the only thing not affected are literally PC cases.
afaik ram sticks and storage drives are still accessible and easily priced, it wouldn't be hyperbolizing to say that this is the absolute fucking worst the pc hardware market has been in over a decade, bar none

is there a rough estimate on when the next crypto crash could be? not saying that i think crypto in itself is a bad thing but something's gotta give eventually
 
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It is legit getting bad out there to build a pc. I think this is worse than the miner rush from years ago. Scalpers, low supply, low yields, renewed mining, tarrifs... its fucking crazy.

Everyone was saying 'wait wait wait'll get better' and it just gets worse.

Its every part too, not just cpus and GPUs. Ram, motherboards and power supplies. I think the only thing not affected are literally PC cases.
Is there any hope on the horizon or is this just business as usual from now on? Will I have to wait until the next crypto-crash to scoop up parts again? My current rig is going on about 10 years and still does the trick but is frankly starting to show its age and is due for a total refresh.
 
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