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Before I unboxed my CPU and built my system (Couldn't flash my Gigabyte BIOS for the Ryzen 5000 series so I had to RMA) I was going to sell it for a 5900X but the mark up on them is so fucking insane it made my jaw drop. The average is 300% except for one government procurement site who sells them for $30 over MSRP with a 3 week wait. Since I'm doing very light workstation tasks (video editing in 1080p, streaming and photoshop) it wasn't worth it to me, as my 3090 and RAM could pick up some of the slack that my processor couldn't. The scalping problem is fucking insane and I'm glad I'm fucking done looking for parts, just replacing ones that don't work.

But oh yeah, for you that is so worth it. If you're doing DAW there's no way a 5600X would work for you.

I suspect scalping is here to stay.

I'm contemplating changing case to a Kolink Rocket V2 and then I'm done with upgrades for the next 4 years. I don't think there will be anything that will squash a 3080 because most "AAA" developers will be wanting to avoid a Cyberpunk 2077 situation and make sure it can absolutely run on current-gen consoles which means a 3080/3700X setup will have no problem.

Like I said before, other than Grounded and Humanity, there's not all that much that I really feel I really want to play this year. If Total Warhammer 3 comes out this year I might grab that, but only if there's the possibility of a Mortal Empires style unified campaign with every faction from all three games in it.
 
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The true upgrade from the 5600X is the 5950X.

Here's an idea. Zen 3 desktop CPUs will actually get decent discounts at some point, instead of disappearing entirely from the market. That's because AMD will want to cover AM4 users for a while after the switch to Zen 4 and AM5, and they will be made on two different process nodes, TSMC 7nm and 5nm.
 
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The true upgrade from the 5600X is the 5950X.

Here's an idea. Zen 3 desktop CPUs will actually get decent discounts at some point, instead of disappearing entirely from the market. That's because AMD will want to cover AM4 users for a while after the switch to Zen 4 and AM5, and they will be made on two different process nodes, TSMC 7nm and 5nm.

I suspect that if that is so, they will want to call the Zen 4 core processors the Ryzen 7000 series and have the 6000 series be on "Zen 3+" like how the Ryzen 2000s were "Zen+" and a die shrink of the Ryzen 1000s. Then market the Ryzen 6000 series as "mainstream" and Ryzen 7000 as "enthusiast" or similar, possibly releasing only the 7900X and 7950X first and saving the 7700X, 7700, and 7600X parts for later on when the process is mature. Basically, using the biggest consoomers as beta testers.
 
I suspect that if that is so, they will want to call the Zen 4 core processors the Ryzen 7000 series and have the 6000 series be on "Zen 3+" like how the Ryzen 2000s were "Zen+" and a die shrink of the Ryzen 1000s. Then market the Ryzen 6000 series as "mainstream" and Ryzen 7000 as "enthusiast" or similar, possibly releasing only the 7900X and 7950X first and saving the 7700X, 7700, and 7600X parts for later on when the process is mature. Basically, using the biggest consoomers as beta testers.

There's rumors of a Zen 3+ lineup codenamed "Warhol". But we don't know if it will come out, or if it would be on AM4 or AM5. It could be used to fight off Rocket Lake's single-threaded gains, and as an introduction to AM5 and DDR5 if Zen 4 is coming out significantly later than Alder Lake.

 
Apparently the crypto mining has spread to the RTX 3000 laptops now. All they need to do is figure out how to mine on consoles and then no-one will be able to play vidya ever again lmao
That's a great way to overheat laptops. Then there's the nonremovable batteries that really don't like those sort of temperatures. Hopefully these idiots are doing this somewhere where far from other people.
 
That's a great way to overheat laptops. Then there's the nonremovable batteries that really don't like those sort of temperatures. Hopefully these idiots are doing this somewhere where far from other people.

I'd think gaming laptops would have removable batteries. But even if they don't, the battery should just trickle charge while plugged in forever and it won't heat much.

As for the overheating, you could cool even plastic laptops significantly by putting them on those wire shelving units and blasting fans. If the laptops die in 2 years, doesn't matter if the cryptomining covered the TCO.
 
they laughed at me when i bought a 2080 super, but if i held out for next gen I wouldnt have any gpu with lack of supply
Should have just bought a 2070 Super when I had the chance, but I held out for the 3070 and welp....that was fucking dumb. Here's hoping supplies get better and scalpers get bent this summer.
 
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removable batteries

The shunning of these in favour of a single sealed unit with the battery in it is utter proof of just how throwaway our society is, and I hate that. If I'm going to spend £400 on a phone I want it to last at least 5 years. If I'm daft enough to spend £800 on a phone like the next iPhone might cost, I want it to last 10 years or more.

My old phone was a Galaxy Note 4 Edge. It lasted me from 2014 to 2019 when the charging circuitry gave out and it wouldn't charge any battery even though I had spares. It was, I believe, the last Sammy to have a removable battery. The next model, the Galaxy S6 which came out in 2015, didn't have this and was applauded for finally having "proper industrial design" because it was a glass sandwich.

LG hung on to removable batteries in the V10 and V20 but by 2016 they had moved over to glass sandwiches as well.

My current phone is an LG V40. I like having a large phone because I have big clumsy trotters and prodding at a small one is not something I find easy or fun. I got it in 2019. I fully expect it to be dead by 2023 because the battery will give up and because it's a sealed unit it can't be replaced. So the whole phone will have to go. All because the battery is fucked.

This is why I will insist on keeping a desktop PC. Because if one part of it breaks or gives up you can, Godbear willing, swap it out for another one and carry on regardless, or recycle a part from a previous build. But with a laptop? Good luck with that. Apple in particular even bricks your devices with updates if you get them fixed by other people. I mean, I can understand them not honouring the warranty but actively bricking them? That's low. Meanwhile, tech from the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s can still be made to work today because it wasn't designed as being disposable consoomer shit. I have an Atari Mega STE from 1991. That was a sort of "last of line" ST model in that it included a built in hard drive (the older STs relied on external ones via a variation of SCSI) and a separate keyboard with a PC style flat pack case. They were aimed more at the business and commercial market and for that reason are piss easy to repair or maintain, relying on socketed chips rather than soldered ones. Mine still goes to this day though with a replaced floppy drive mechanism and an SD card solution in place of the hard drive.

I also recently acquired a Sharp VZ-2000 boombox of which I am inordinately fond because I've been getting back into cassette tapes and things. It's basically a portable music centre in that it has a vertical turntable for vinyls, a tape deck (and a quite good one - 0.055% wow and flutter, Dolby B, manual type select, manual record levels), a radio, and an aux port for plugging in something else. It would have cost £375.00 in 1983. That's £1,200 in today's money. It is still trucking, though I thought I might have it professionally serviced because it is older than I am and I'm not so confident with audio gear (I found a guide to disassembling it and it is reportedly like a puzzle box to take apart and see to and if I broke it I have no idea where I'll get spares) as I am with PCs and computers.

How many items of audio gear cost £1,200 today and could expect to still be working in 2060?

Very few, I suspect. You want that level of durability today, you need to spend five figures, possibly.

And this is why so-called "gaming laptops" are best avoided. You are paying over the odds for a less reliable, hotter, less repairable, less powerful system than a desktop of equivalent power, and whose portability is curtailed by the fact its battery life is still poor and so needs to be plugged in all the time.
 
Gaming laptops often have a couple of SO-DIMM slots instead of just soldered memory, which is now ubiquitous in ultrabooks and cheap laptops. So that's a point in their favor. I don't know about the batteries, but if they are nonremovable even in chunky gaming laptops, then that's just pathetic.

On the subject of gaming laptops...


Initially, NVIDIA only advised OEMs to disclose their RTX 30 series laptops' TGPs and clock speeds. However, few OEMs followed NVIDIA's advice, with ASUS and XMG the notable exceptions. MSI even justified keeping people in the dark by claiming that it be would impossible to do so across its product stack.

Unsurprisingly, TGP and clock speeds variances result in massive performance differences between GPUs. An RTX 3060 with a 115 W TGP can outperform an RTX 3080 restricted to 80 W, for example, which would be no fun if you have bought an RTX 3080 laptop expecting top-tier performance.
 
couple of SO-DIMM slots instead of just soldered memory, which is now ubiquitous in ultrabooks and cheap laptops.

I still have my Lenovo craptop from 2010 that I got as an emergency device when my previous laptop expired. Even that has a removable hard drive and SODIMM memory as well as a removable battery. Can't sell it even if I forensically wiped the drive because nobody wants an 11 year old laptop. Might send it to Budget Builds to see if he can find a use for it.

How have we gone so backwards. It is the triumph of consoomerism over common sense.
 
I still have my Lenovo craptop from 2010 that I got as an emergency device when my previous laptop expired. Even that has a removable hard drive and SODIMM memory as well as a removable battery. Can't sell it even if I forensically wiped the drive because nobody wants an 11 year old laptop. Might send it to Budget Builds to see if he can find a use for it.

How have we gone so backwards. It is the triumph of consoomerism over common sense.
It's been like that for a long time now. Most people gladly give up value/longevity for convenience. Nobody takes care of stuff anymore because hey, I'll just get a new one/it was on a plan anyways. So now companies just make everything disposable because it's not like the consumer cares.

I remember people throwing fits when Apple started axing features from their phones like replaceable batteries, 3.5mm jack, etc. Yet, people still line up to buy em. Other companies see that shit and say hey, why should they bother anymore?
 
It's been like that for a long time now. Most people gladly give up value/longevity for convenience. Nobody takes care of stuff anymore because hey, I'll just get a new one/it was on a plan anyways. So now companies just make everything disposable because it's not like the consumer cares.

I remember people throwing fits when Apple started axing features from their phones like replaceable batteries, 3.5mm jack, etc. Yet, people still line up to buy em. Other companies see that shit and say hey, why should they bother anymore?

That was "courageous" in removing the 3.5mm jack. I legit had an Apple store employee tell me that they thought it was time to "innovate" by removing a standard that was 100 years old.

And the reason that standard lasted for 100 years? Because it worked and there was no need to change it.

I think that there could well be a market in making tech that is built to be repairable and to last. For instance, rather than a shitty bluetooth speaker, how about a digital boombox that can run on either alkaline batteries or a rechargeable LiPo battery pack in the shape of its battery compartment, or an AC power brick, can play MP3, AAC, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, wave, and FLAC from a built in SSD (which is loadable up by copying files across to it over a USB cable as if it were any old external drive without the need for proprietary software), has proper solid volume, bass and treble, stereo balance rather than prodding at a touch screen, has four way speakers with separate woofers and tweeters, and a steel frame so it can be bashed around no problem. The only display should be an orange on black dot matrix one showing what is currently playing and/or a VU-meter when playing, or you can basically navigate folders using a knob which you push in to select. Oh, and you can get inside to do repairs by undoing six Phillips screws.

Could probably do that with entirely off the shelf parts around a Raspberry Pi.

The idea is that if properly maintained, it can last 40 years. Because it should.

Could advertise it with the slogan, "Don't be a consoomer, play music with a DigiBoomer! From Piglet Industries."
 
The true upgrade from the 5600X is the 5950X.

Here's an idea. Zen 3 desktop CPUs will actually get decent discounts at some point, instead of disappearing entirely from the market. That's because AMD will want to cover AM4 users for a while after the switch to Zen 4 and AM5, and they will be made on two different process nodes, TSMC 7nm and 5nm.
That would a lot of sense, completely abandoning AM4 would be stupid. Maybe they'll do what they did with Zen3 and Renoir to make a gap in the model number for performance desktop GPUs.
I suspect scalping is here to stay.
Hall of Fame moments in scalping: scalpers buying all the Playstation 3's they could get their hands on. Even though they didn't sell they waited for Christmas season, that's when people would be paying big bucks. That's also the time they have to do something about the credit cards they used and I don't know much about return policy in the US but some people got could no longer return their twenty $599 PS3s. I felt such glee watching them all get fucked.

Then dudes started pimping their girlfriends and wives on eBay just to get rid of the damn thing and it went from a mostly peaceful laugh riot to a laugh insurrection.
 
Are the low-end Quadros even worth considering or should I just buy a gayming-tier GeForce at that point?
 
Are the low-end Quadros even worth considering or should I just buy a gayming-tier GeForce at that point?
In the past it was all or nothing for gpus. buy the best and it should last you a decade. else you'll be buying a new gpu everytime a new game comes out that you can't run. I'm not sure about today since I don't game so much anymore.
 
Apparently supply of the 300X cards is actually getting worse lol. Supply problems, supply chain problems and then Chinese New Year shuts everything down for 2 weeks. With this plus tariffs, people are just going to go crazy.
 
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Apparently supply of the 300X cards is actually getting worse lol. Supply problems, supply chain problems and then Chinese New Year shuts everything down for 2 weeks. With this plus tariffs, people are just going to go crazy.
Swaths of the market are just going to quit gaming and find something else. Especially if scalpers keep the next gen console availability N/A.

The only thing that's going to force changes is when game publishers are taking a beating.
 
Apparently supply of the 300X cards is actually getting worse lol. Supply problems, supply chain problems and then Chinese New Year shuts everything down for 2 weeks. With this plus tariffs, people are just going to go crazy.
On one hand, I know it's a dumb idea to overpay for a GPU. On the other hand, I was able to (over)sell my 5700XT plus my old cell phone for a GPU that can play VR games for years on end.
 
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I'd be nervous using a power supply that old, but 10 years is generally the lifespan.

And I was wondering what Superflower was when I was looking over power supplies. I never knew they were quality, I thought they were some off brand.
Meh, for quality supplies age isnt as bad as you think. It's not like it ever gets hot, even supplying dual GPUs back in the day its always been bottom mounted in high airflow chassis. I test it yearly, and voltages are still bang on, within 1% (up to 5% variance is acceptable). I'm wringing every last bit of life out of that thing.

What annoys me is the total lack of itx and micro ATX cases that use SFX class power supplies. There is just no need for gigantic ATX bricks nowadays, since dual GPU is dead, and the vast majority of PC builders are running at 3060ti or lower levels of GPU power draw. But I'm a sucker for compact well engineered cases.

I suspect scalping is here to stay.

I'm contemplating changing case to a Kolink Rocket V2 and then I'm done with upgrades for the next 4 years. I don't think there will be anything that will squash a 3080 because most "AAA" developers will be wanting to avoid a Cyberpunk 2077 situation and make sure it can absolutely run on current-gen consoles which means a 3080/3700X setup will have no problem.

Like I said before, other than Grounded and Humanity, there's not all that much that I really feel I really want to play this year. If Total Warhammer 3 comes out this year I might grab that, but only if there's the possibility of a Mortal Empires style unified campaign with every faction from all three games in it.
Scalping will last until bitcoin crashes again. The market ALWAYS falls.

Then again at this rate it may take a year+ for supplies to hit normal levels, to say nothing about filling backorders.
 
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