General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[SmugPeko]

Started as one of the least popular of Hololive EN, plagued left and right by tech issues within the first month, had a meltdown at least once because of this, and she hadn't seemed to demonstrate anything noteworthy other than "She thirsts for Calli, she is literally the loudest member in EN, and she can speak German and Japanese fluently in addition to English".

mostly down herself by how overwhelming her gen mates are in term of talents and skills, so she thought she doesn't have much to compare with them specially while the one month ban still going and she couldn't put her Japanese skill into good use, this led to her breakdown and cried in one of the old stream

Are we talking about the subs here as measurements of popularity here? Isn't 200k within a week considered really fast for hololive standard?

So its about talent and skill disparity ?

 

[Biobreak]

I browse the Twitch creative sections every once in a while and throw my monthly free Twitch prime subscription to one of the true non-thot artists. Sometimes I wonder what which of them could work as vtubers... imagine a collab between a DJ vtubers and any of the Hololive singers/rapper.

An actual music producer that can mix/create tracks live onstream would be a huge get, TBH. One of the most interesting content I saw from Calli was this member's only VOD (now released to public) of her interacting with chat while mixing/putting together "Cursed Night":

What I find confusing is how many people dislike Kiara for many reasons Ollie is popular (not saying it's mutually exclusive). I personally think Kiara is fine and was kind of turned off by Ollie after watching her debut. I do admit that the first few months the doomposting about Kiara being a numberfag are accurate. But she's gotten a lot better at that recently I think, or at least she wouldn't be playing long-ass JRPG's till completion in her channel if she was really that bothered by it still. Also the getting close to a lot of other Hololive members is something that Kiara and Ollie did, yet the main person to get flack for it... was Kiara.

First impressions last and a lot of people just can't get over the initial hang-ups with Kiara numberfagging and her being the only EN girl with a mountain of baggage just OUT THERE in the open. People looking for dirt to dislike her for just have to sort through the pile of shit she has out there. The other EN gals scrubbed/locked at lot of their past content and while it may be impossible for Kiara/Keeki to do that for her stuff simply because it's all just out there in the public domain, it's just one of the things people like her are gonna have to live with. Ollie gets a lot of leeway due to exactly just that, most of the stuff people can shit at her for has already been done by Kiara and Kiara/Keeki is simply just a far juicier target. Plus, there's just not a lot of dirt/milk on Ollie out there. YET.

So here's what I get from the alt thing. Basically cover looked at all the fancomics/fanfiction based on the lore of the girls ( Shinigami, Oni, Pirate, Angel etc.) and decided to make it into an official thing with better production quality and more organization.
However, members with deeper lore and themes like HoloEN, third gen, Ayame, Aki, Shion etc will be fun to make content with but I don't see much coming out using Matsuri or Haato for instance.

They're gonna go the gacha route with this and make money hand over fist with this by making people roll on the HoloEN banner

Jesus fucking Christ Cover, you have actual professional singers in your company and you have Mori of all people sing

I still like this better than Kiara's supposed anime OST tracks/releases.

 

[Namesarehardtocomeupwith]

Ame made that joke by posting the AIM logo to her Twitter.

More screenshots. Not sure where my buddy gets this shit from but big ups to him for pulling this shit together.

This project is a full on seasonal anime about the girls being vtubers to hide their isekai nature.

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Hololive Alternative is not gonna be an anime, confirmed by Fubuki herself. It at most will be a media mix project, with a manga in the work and multiple animated pv at best. It's mostly independent projects.
A seasonal anime on the other hand, even only 12-13 episodes, cost a whole lot of money and manpower. I doubt cover could secure the fund and the sponsor for such a large project unless they throw the kitchen sink in their proposal and even then it could flop.

 

[Osterry]

Are we talking about the subs here as measurements of popularity here? Isn't 200k within a week considered really fast for hololive standard?

Yes, and the problem is that it was not for HoloEN, where Gura and Calli broke 500k in a month like nothing. Obviously by comparison to other, it was pretty meteoric even for Vtuber in general, JP or otherwise, but she's dead last in EN for all the reason stated above, falling short about 50k from the second last Ina'nis and was really anxious about it.

Jesus fucking Christ Cover, you have actual professional singers in your company and you have Mori of all people sing

Mori the one who broke spotify, so Cover comply with the market. Simple as.

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

Just give it a minute until Kiara has to actually leave Japan like she mentioned she has to because of her visa. If anything locks in Keeki as Kiara, it'll be that.

I was half ready to wax autistic about the "Holy shit you guys Kiara is a lefty!" doomposting, but eh. I'll just remind you that one of the huge reasons many of us are into corporate vtubers, and I do use that word deliberately, is very much because they avoid the "using their platform" shit.

Kiara is a lefty.

Kiara isn't putting the rainbow flag in her twitter profile, or dedicating a chunk of her streams to talking about George Floyd.

 

[Screw Danlon]

Can we go a full day without Takamori doom/whine posting? I don’t watch either of them a ton, but we should at least all agree they’re better than Amelia.

VOMS and the Case of the Missing Donuts

 

[Biobreak]

Are we talking about the subs here as measurements of popularity here? Isn't 200k within a week considered really fast for hololive standard?

So its about talent and skill disparity ?

Bitch was very insecure at the start and was measuring her success/numbers against those of her EN gen-mates. Once it was actually pointed out to her later on that her numbers actually put her over a lot of the other Holo gens, she eased up on it.

lol, alright then. We're at the point at which seeing rats means you must be broke, which means you must be Keekihime. Screencap this, because I promise I'll live up to this. If Keekihime is Kiara, she will end up with a thread here because she's a crazy weeb getting closer to the wall, which also means closer to trooning out in modern times. Should that happen, tag me in that shit, and I'll come into the thread to apologize and admit I'm the lesser autist.

Calli and Kiara doomposts are a regular occurence in this thread. It gets old really. Nothing short of a leaked video of them getting railed by a JAV old dirty bastard is gonna be good enough milk.

 

[ZMOT]

Hololive Alternative is not gonna be an anime, confirmed by Fubuki herself. It at most will be a media mix project, with a manga in the work and multiple animated pv at best. It's mostly independent projects.
A seasonal anime on the other hand, even only 12-13 episodes, cost a whole lot of money and manpower. I doubt cover could secure the fund and the sponsor for such a large project unless they throw the kitchen sink in their proposal and even then it could flop.

it depends how they are going about it. if the screencap is legit (huge grain of salt tho) they might be trying to kill 2 birds with one stone, and if it plays out could make content production much easier and cheaper. take bandori for example, the anime is completely CG (besides first season) while allowing stuff that would be highly expensive otherwise (there's a reason dance numbers and idol stuff especially are rendered). it's inevitable that it will improve over time.

tbh the worst cases people remember is because it's done without the last polish where it sticks out due to either clashing with the drawn style and/or not being adapted to the expected framerate. the 3d models already exist to some extend, and mo-cap is apparently cheap enough even eroge can do it these days.

 

[Gravemind]

Calli and Kiara doomposts are a regular occurence in this thread. It gets old really. Nothing short of a leaked video of them getting railed by a JAV old dirty bastard is gonna be good enough milk.

I feel like Kiara doomposting hasn't really happened that much until it finally got brought up again in the last few hours, surprisingly enough.

Was not expecting to see someone go so hard on trying to decry the "Kiara = Keeki" thing though. Surprises left and right.

 

[darkestraven]

They can make 20 minute long Holo no Grafitti's and people would be excited as hell. They blow the latest Berserk adaptation out of the water as far as production value goes and I'm sure it'd only cost a fraction of what that travesty did.

 

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Just give it a minute until Kiara has to actually leave Japan like she mentioned she has to because of her visa. If anything locks in Keeki as Kiara, it'll be that.

Was not expecting to see someone go so hard on trying to decry the "Kiara = Keeki" thing though. Surprises left and right.

Tell me about it, I had to spend a full ten minutes thinking to remember I could just look at the Twitter. That's what you get when your Strike team sucks. . . distractions and inefficiency.

Also, I don't remember but didn't someone post here a screencap of Keekihime accidentally posting in Kiara's chat log, similar to Calli's flub on Twitter. Definitely in the last month I saw that here and chuckled. Wait. Give me a second.

 

[KokoroKoroki]

I don't know what you guys' overall opinion on Amatsuka Uto are, but she finally came back to explain her situation on Twitter.

Tweet link:
https://twitter.com/amatsukauto/status/1361880048068796416

Archive:
https://archive.md/sXEdC

 

[Gravemind]

I don't know what you guys' overall opinion on Amatsuka Uto are, but she finally came back to explain her situation on Twitter.
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Tweet link:
https://twitter.com/amatsukauto/status/1361880048068796416

Archive:
https://archive.md/sXEdC

You're a bit late on that one:

Edit : Uto comeback on twitter with the letter. She's gonna remain independent. I'm glad she comeback, let's go.
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But at least you archived it.

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

I wrote all this before we realized HoloAlt isn't an anime, but fuck it I already wrote it, enjoy me being wrong:

On the subject of the HoloAlt project.

I can't be the only one who thinks it couldn't quite work as an anime?

Sure a large chunk of them have "lore", but most of them don't have it go beyond "This one's a dog", "This one's a cat", "This one is an athletics manager that her viewers memed into believing she's a duck". Nevermind people like Matsuri who I had to actually name because from a character-lore perspective she is literally just some chick.

The ones that do have backstory have lore that isn't exactly cohesive. The 0-Year Old Princess of the Candy Kingdom, The Heir-Apparent to "Pekoland", Apprentice to the Grim Reaper who wants to pursue a rapping career instead of collecting souls. So much time would need to be spent worldbuilding that you wouldn't have room for an actual story to happen, unless you go with a multi-isekai approach and leave like all of it to "Don't worry about it too much."

 

[SmugPeko]

Yes, and the problem is that it was not for HoloEN, where Gura and Calli broke 500k in a month like nothing. Obviously by comparison to other, it was pretty meteoric even for Vtuber in general, JP or otherwise, but she's dead last in EN for all the reason stated above, falling short about 50k from the second last Ina'nis and was really anxious about it.

Thats the reason really? Fuck that was lame. You dont need to compare yourself to your fellow genmates to consider yourself successful. Its not like she is struggling like holoID 1 or holostars in terms of subs and live viewers. I would understand her if she was already 2 years in this and still struggling

I don't know what you guys' overall opinion on Amatsuka Uto are, but she finally came back to explain her situation on Twitter.
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Tweet link:
https://twitter.com/amatsukauto/status/1361880048068796416

Archive:
https://archive.md/sXEdC

Its already posted earlier.

 

[ZMOT]

I can't be the only one who thinks it couldn't quite work as an anime?

Sure a large chunk of them have "lore", but most of them don't have it go beyond "This one's a dog", "This one's a cat", "This one is an athletics manager that her viewers memed into believing she's a duck". Nevermind people like Matsuri who I had to actually name because from a character-lore perspective she is literally just some chick.

The ones that do have backstory have lore that isn't exactly cohesive. The 0-Year Old Princess of the Candy Kingdom, The Heir-Apparent to "Pekoland", Apprentice to the Grim Reaper who wants to pursue a rapping career instead of collecting souls. So much time would need to be spent worldbuilding that you wouldn't have room for an actual story to happen, unless you go with a multi-isekai approach and leave like all of it to "Don't worry about it too much."

if they embrace their memetic qualities it doesn't even need story, you could just have them shoot the shit and make an anime around it, wouldn't be the first. although I think it wouldn't be very lucrative, why invest time and money into an anime when they can do that already on stream where people can throw money at them the whole time?
but then it doesn't necessarily mean a full fledged full season with standard episodes, two minutes episodes should be easy enough to do and can just feature one girl. or outright shitposting playing haachama's cooking song with cute drawings of all the animals she war crimed.
there are a few possibilities.

although it's more likely it will end up in the gatcha or for promo stuff since that's a better investment.

 

[Osterry]

Thats the reason really? Fuck that was lame. You dont need to compare yourself to your fellow genmates to consider yourself successful. Its not like she is struggling like holoID 1 or holostars in terms of subs and live viewers. I would understand her if she was already 2 years in this and still struggling

Honestly even if it is understandable now why she do the things she did, it did put me off badly at the start. She feel like just yet another e-thot begging for cash, and her cringy yuribaiting did not help at all either. Were it not for the fact she picked up Three Houses I would ditch her altogether lol.

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

if they embrace their memetic qualities it doesn't even need story, you could just have them shoot the shit and make an anime around it,

I mean at that point it'd just be HoloGra, but with Cover deciding to pay the animators in JPY instead of DMT.

I COULD see it working as a series of disparate stories like you said though.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Thats the reason really? Fuck that was lame. You dont need to compare yourself to your fellow genmates to consider yourself successful. Its not like she is struggling like holoID 1 or holostars in terms of subs and live viewers. I would understand her if she was already 2 years in this and still struggling

When you've constantly failed at everything in your life plus a touch of imposter syndrome, she'd be hypersensitive to anything as proof she is failing again even if it isn't true. Since her sub numbers aren't the best, she is a fraud and Cover is going to find that out and fire her , just like every other company she has worked for.

It was kind of creepy that a bunch of Japs sent her an Asuka Langley costume to wear when she was 15.

 

[KokoroKoroki]

Its already posted earlier.

You're a bit late on that one:

But at least you archived it.

Apologies, must have seen that post before the edit, will keep it up because of the archive.

On the subject of Kiara I don't know why some people want to ride on the "Kiara isn't Keeki" train but what's important is that she's mostly keeping her other content separate from her Kiara persona. I don't give a rat's ass what she actually supports, she keeps it away from her channel as much as possible and that's what matters.