Megathread Tranny Sideshows on Social Media - Any small-time spectacle on Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, Dating Sites, and other social media.

[Banditotron]

It is funny, in the end, how gays and lesbians and bisexuals have completely no power left in the movement

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

One thing I find interesting is the original gay pride flag isn't even in this. In this case it's probably a good thing (god those flags make me cringe, kids have no concept of gender identity or sexuality, leave them the hell alone), but it really shows how much real homosexuals are being slowly kicked out from their own movement/group to make way for the trenders.

It's baffling. LGB stands for something real, but the T and Q are useless made up concepts. And why is the intersex flag there?? Being intersex is literally a medical disorder, it has nothing to do with the rest of the LGBTWTFBBQ.

 

[papaya]

Holy shit, it took me reading the comment section and the replies in this thread to realize that "You might be a transbian if" video was NOT parody.

Honest to god, I thought it was just some guy who threw on a wig and put together a bunch of memes about how dumb it is that weebs think choosing the girl character in Pokemon means you're totally a valid and true wamen.

My brain cannot process that that video was not satire. The fact that that guy is not being relentlessly bullied in the YouTube comments pretty much indicates to me society is doomed.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I actually knew someone who was the total, complete opposite of this.

He was described as an "incel", a misogynist who said "fuck wimmen, u cant trust dem " and basically went on a full rant about how bad they were. He basically cut all contact with almost everybody I knew from my university groups and got kicked out of his old flat for leaving his room in an entire mess and living like an absolute slob. Meanwhile, he had an entire "fetish" for transgender/transsexuals (actually full blown autogynephilia) and stated it proudly. Fast forward a few months later, he troons out and gets lavishing and worship from those (especially the women) whom he treated like absolute trash.

They deserve each other.

I'm still in absolute awe that these insane people have successfully manage to co-opt a black and brown stripe into the rainbow pride flag, let alone all this other shit, and it's already been like 2 or 3 years since that happened. I see the crazed pride flag design on my local news when they talk about pride, so it's definitely perferated the mainstream.

lul and they even stole the black stripe. The black stripe was originally because of how many homos kicked it due to contracting aids, not "muh skin color". Way to be incredibly fucking disrespectful to the people you claim to care so much about, larpers.
Oh, and on the subject of "DUH BLACK AND BROWN STRIPES ARE FOR MY BLACK AND BROWN GAY AND TRANS-IDENTIFIED BODIES" you know...
maybe if they aren't accepted within their communities...
it's a problem with their culture?
This kills the liberal.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

Riley Roschlong transitions, still looks like one and acts like a dickish man.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

Sadly, I think you're right. I learned so much reading this thread than he was ever able to explain, and I'm sure it's AGP. Hell I already discovered his sex toy collection accidentally when looking for a spare 1/4 guitar cable in his drawer.

I already have grown distant despite his efforts, it's just hard to cut the guy who was your brother for most of your life out of it. I remember his mom mentioning something about his great grandfather having some mental issues, I just never really bothered to find out what it was.

I really, REALLY hope he doesn't kill himself, but I'll try to make peace. Though without me, he'll literally just be alone with his discord troons...

FUCK why is this so hard.

If/when you're able to make peace with the end of this friendship, you might consider giving him the book Men Trapped in Men's Bodies by Anne Lawrence. (And if you haven't read it, I'd recommend it, it might help you understand your friend's seemingly sudden spiral even better than you already do.)

Most likely, he won't read it and will be furious at you until the end of his days. You never know, though--maybe, in a moment of despair or clarity, he'll pick it up and begin the process of coming to truly understand himself. As Dr. Lawrence (a self-admitted autogynephilic TW) notes in the book, many AGPs find the inner peace that transition fails to fully provide them when the learn about AGP, and it can help those who accept themselves as AGP to re-integrate their true male personality with their constructed feminine persona. After all, that kind of cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing for a previously reasonable person to live with.

Just an idea! Regardless, good luck, man. I have some personal life experience with this too and it's just so demoralizing.

Here's a link: https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf
(Tried to archive it, seems like you can't do it for web links to PDFs? I'm a tech SPED, sry.)

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Its grooming. Its indoctrination. Fuck me, how disgusting. I didn't know what the fuck any of that meant as a toddler. No one needs to.

Nigga I'm a fucking faggot and I don't want kids to be around that kind of shit. People complain about how the 'alt-right' are jumping at shadows, but now it's just obvious that there's people who want to teach kids just to indoctrinate them.

 

[Bogdandoff]

Somebody said to me that this "validates" people. Like how the fuck are toddlers supposed to validate a concept that they can't even understand like "gender identity"?!

The Slippery slope is real.

 

[Surfin Terf]

The "On all levels except physical" guy has trooned out and he's just as troonish as you'd expect. I'm not sure which is worse, the people who look at him and think he seems like a cool guy or the ones who look at him and say, "a man thinking that they're a wolf is stupid, but a man thinking that they're a woman is brave and stunning."

Spoiler: He has a thread

tygressofaera has informed me that he already has a thread on Kiwi Farms. I'm editing this message to add that that thread starts out real boring and underwhelming and then suddenly goes to 100 on page 3.

And because people have been talking about the troons in their lives, I've got a troon friend and he will make fun of Chris-chan for all his delusions, but then insist that we have to call him "Christine". I'm just hoping that these little contradictions are reaching him, at least a little and that eventually he'll realize, "oh no, I've poisoned my body and been living a lie in order to try to impress my online friends when my real-life friends were always willing to be there for me without trying to push me into any self-destructive life choices," without it being too psychologically damaging. I feel like I should be doing more, but I also recognize that pushing too hard will just push him into r/traaaaaaans' arms.

I'm still in absolute awe that these insane people have successfully manage to co-opt a black and brown stripe into the rainbow pride flag, let alone all this other shit, and it's already been like 2 or 3 years since that happened. I see the crazed pride flag design on my local news when they talk about pride, so it's definitely perferated the mainstream.

A few years ago those brown and black stripes pissed me off. I'm not racist (I swear!), but the colors of the rainbow flag were never supposed to literally represent specific people, they were supposed to abstractly represent the idea of diverse people and ways of life all coming together to make something beautiful and joyous. It's specifically associated with diverse sexual communities, but it's ultimately supposed to be diversity and harmony in general.

But as out of place as those two non-spectral colors on the flag are, as much as it bugs me that brown is not next to orange, at least they matched the aesthetics of the rest of the flag, at least they tried to fit in. Now that "progress" flag... holy shit what an awful flag. There's some LGB meme about it being a perfect representation of the trans community trying to force its way into gay and lesbian spaces using black people as a shield.

Spoiler: Various pride flags

OG pride flag was a little different than the 6-stripe flag we all know today, frankly I think that the magenta and cyan/indigo thing looks bad and I'm glad that we've moved past them.

BLM pride flag. Just think it's lazy design and unnecessary.

I legitimately like this flag. Whether you agree with the politics or not I think this flag looks really, really good.

Spoiler: Warning: really fucking ugly

Just awful all around. Too busy, colors clash, completely unnecessary (at least anti-racism wasn't already widely considered to be covered by the old flag, troons basically just wanted extra real-estate on the flag), and the creator is a narcissistic weirdo. Fuck the progress flag.

Some genius wrote an article defending the progress flag: Here’s What QPOCs Hear When You Say ‘We Can’t Redesign the Pride Flag’

Here’s the thing: The new design isn’t meant to be aesthetically pleasing or stylish — it’s meant to provoke a reaction. It slaps new colors on an old and beloved icon, as if to say, “We won’t be ignored. If you find this ugly or uncomfortable, we find LGBT racism and transphobia ugly and uncomfortable too. Let’s deal with it.”

Unfortunately, the author seems to be a standard clickbait hack, not lolcow material.

 

[Governor Jeb Bush]

Including T in LGBT goes against what transgender ppl fought for - for it to no longer be viewed as a sexual disorder... so WHY include it with a sexual advocacy 'movement'?

Transgender ppl should have their own community away from sexuality, since it isn't a sexuality, right?

 

[Neko GF]

Riley Roschlong transitions, still looks like one and acts like a dickish man.

Archive (1080p):

 

[Mal0]

My advice would be to make peace with the fact because he's going to kill himself and there's nothing you can do. It's cold, but consider excommunicating for your own sake and sanity. I also want to know how the FUCK someone's psychology can go so, so wrong. I personally think he's got AGP, seeming to be high-T (there seems to be a theme there). I'd almost compare it to schizophrenia, where everything's fucking fine until one day seemingly out of goddamn nowhere a switch is flipped and all of a sudden everything's different. Also trannies whole "I've wanted to be a woman since I was a little boy" being a goddamn lie is disturbingly similar to an intense depression's "I'm staying this way because it's all I can remember". He says that because if he admitted it was for a coom it would all fall apart.

I'm so so sorry. Your friend is already gone. Fuck.

"transwidows" are a thing for a reason

This is actually what's happening to my friend right now... And I just posted about it. Especially How I used to be the more unstable, dramatic one as well Until it just seem like that friend is slipping into insanity. There just seem to be nothing we can do to them. Especially in this current society where trans stuff is to never be questioned.... The only thing you can do is let them go. Or like the post above that you may try to keep your friendship intact in place where it isn't about gender... But that's difficult Because you know there's something that's unhealthy about it, you'll just feel iffy. Like having your friend spiraled into an addiction that's socially acceptable

It does made me wonder why masculine, "levelheaded but leans on the aggressive and unemotional" kind of men has a trend to end up like this.

In my friend case, it's more obvious to me that he's doing it for AGP fetish because he's honest enough to told me that when asking me for advice... He outrightly said it is not simply about gender non-conformity, but imagining himself as a woman is his fantasy. Aaand not to mention how he always give out thirst comments on girl pictures. But otherwise he's a workaholic, competitive man who used to think that taking care of his girlfriend emotions was weighing him down...

I really wonder why with all of this, but of course, the medical establishment eat this up because they're life long cash cow.

For what it's worth, it's on him, not you. Whatever you may have had, he's decided that your friendship isn't worth anything to him anymore. I don't want to come off as insensitive, but I agree with other posters that your best bet right now is to let him go down that path alone. Keep in touch with his family if you can manage it, but at the end of the day, you have to look out for yourself. It's your friend throwing it all away - don't let him pull you down with him.

That goes for you, @Deepland Bystander, as well. Much love and feelz. And related to what you wrote, Scott Newgent (on Twitter), FTM, estimates that a troon is costing about 1,4 million dollars. That's a lot of bread. Not difficult to see why so many people are invested in this "movement".
View attachment 1927516

This was an emotional read for sure, and first I'd like to say that I agree with the people who have given you the advice to distance yourself from your former best friend, as harsh as that may seem, but there is literally nothing you can do to help him at this stage. It is a journey he has to make alone, and you need to prioritize your own needs and set up boundaries to protect your own integrity.

And yeah, it's definitely autogynephilia driving his transition desire. However, while AGP appears to come out of the blue for friends and family, it practically never does. My estimate is that your friend has been secretly blowing a load into his sister's knickers since he was like... 12 or so? Most likely he's also been through several "binge-and-purge" cycles already, getting rid of his paraphernalia and swearing never to indulge again only to "fall back" when he experiences some stress in his life. Blanchard says that you often see "hypermasculine" behavioral patterns in an AGP in the middle of a "purge" cycle, so that fits with the presentation with your friend.

I hope he'll decide not to wreck his body with hormones and surgeries, but I wouldn't be optimistic if I were you.

If/when you're able to make peace with the end of this friendship, you might consider giving him the book Men Trapped in Men's Bodies by Anne Lawrence. (And if you haven't read it, I'd recommend it, it might help you understand your friend's seemingly sudden spiral even better than you already do.)

Most likely, he won't read it and will be furious at you until the end of his days. You never know, though--maybe, in a moment of despair or clarity, he'll pick it up and begin the process of coming to truly understand himself. As Dr. Lawrence (a self-admitted autogynephilic TW) notes in the book, many AGPs find the inner peace that transition fails to fully provide them when the learn about AGP, and it can help those who accept themselves as AGP to re-integrate their true male personality with their constructed feminine persona. After all, that kind of cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing for a previously reasonable person to live with.

Just an idea! Regardless, good luck, man. I have some personal life experience with this too and it's just so demoralizing.

Here's a link: https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf
(Tried to archive it, seems like you can't do it for web links to PDFs? I'm a tech SPED, sry.)

Oh how ironic that I have been given better, and far more advice on dealing with this situation in a thread laughing at trannies than I ever got when trying to ask actual trannies or "allies". In a forum full of speds and feds I have gotten some really good advice, and even though I didn't want it that much, sympathy and understanding.

Thank you autists for your kindness.

Though in hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have asked a bunch of mentally ill men in skirts how to deal with a mentally ill friend who wears skirts

 

[tygressofaera]

Some fun tranny grifting today on twitter. A black trans woman named Sai Land claimed to have been kidnapped by a latino guy in Cincinnati, Ohio. He announced this by posting an instagram story which his friend put on twitter. Despite the obvious question of why someone would put something on instagram and not call the cops, twitter ran with the story. There's two hashtags about finding him, #findsai and #helpsai where people have been trying to identify the latino guy who allegedly kidnapped a random trans. There's also the usual twitter social policing. Two different gfms (archive 1, 2) with a cumulative donation of almost $80k.

However, this whole kidnapping is faked as revealed by the roommate. And there's now a statement allegedly from Sai himself, where he claims that everything got blown out of proportion. Of course, like always when one of these people gets revealed to be a scammer, every comment about it comes with the disclaimer of "please don't use this to excuse transphobia." Which I will be ignoring. Further, some people are revealing that the person who faked being kidnapped for money was a meanie to other people, as well.

Instead of admitting they're wrong and acknowledging a twans gorl can do wrong, people are falling over themselves trying to pretend that Sai Land is still being held against his will. Other people's copium is that Sai wouldn't have done this if he didn't desperately need money.

The "On all levels except physical" guy has trooned out and he's just as troonish as you'd expect. I'm not sure which is worse, the people who look at him and think he seems like a cool guy or the ones who look at him and say, "a man thinking that they're a wolf is stupid, but a man thinking that they're a woman is brave and stunning."

And because people have been talking about the troons in their lives, I've got a troon friend and he will make fun of Chris-chan for all his delusions, but then insist that we have to call him "Christine". I'm just hoping that these little contradictions are reaching him, at least a little and that eventually he'll realize, "oh no, I've poisoned my body and been living a lie in order to try to impress my online friends when my real-life friends were always willing to be there for me without trying to push me into any self-destructive life choices," without it being too psychologically damaging. I feel like I should be doing more, but I also recognize that pushing too hard will just push him into r/traaaaaaans' arms.


A few years ago those brown and black stripes pissed me off. I'm not racist (I swear!), but the colors of the rainbow flag were never supposed to literally represent specific people, they were supposed to abstractly represent the idea of diverse people and ways of life all coming together to make something beautiful and joyous. It's specifically associated with diverse sexual communities, but it's ultimately supposed to be diversity and harmony in general.

But as out of place as those two non-spectral colors on the flag are, as much as it bugs me that brown is not next to orange, at least they matched the aesthetics of the rest of the flag, at least they tried to fit in. Now that "progress" flag... holy shit what an awful flag. There's some LGB meme about it being a perfect representation of the trans community trying to force its way into gay and lesbian spaces using black people as a shield.

Spoiler: Various pride flags

View attachment 1928677
OG pride flag was a little different than the 6-stripe flag we all know today, frankly I think that the magenta and cyan/indigo thing looks bad and I'm glad that we've moved past them.

View attachment 1928678
BLM pride flag. Just think it's lazy design and unnecessary.
View attachment 1928679
I legitimately like this flag. Whether you agree with the politics or not I think this flag looks really, really good.

Spoiler: Warning: really fucking ugly

View attachment 1928680

Just awful all around. Too busy, colors clash, completely unnecessary (at least anti-racism wasn't already widely considered to be covered by the old flag, troons basically just wanted extra real-estate on the flag), and the creator is a narcissistic weirdo. Fuck the progress flag.

Some genius wrote an article defending the progress flag: Here’s What QPOCs Hear When You Say ‘We Can’t Redesign the Pride Flag’

Unfortunately, the author seems to be a standard clickbait hack, not lolcow material.

This fella's got a whole thread, where he pops up. I saw him in a conspiracy theory discord where he got made fun of by the other autists for being the wrong kind of werewolf. I keep meaning to post that in the thread. But even though it's funny, maybe it's not funny enough for its own post.

Spoiler: Autist on autist violence

Regarding the flags, I'm glad they're ugly as fuck. I love identifying dumbasses as quickly as possible.

 

[benis154262]

I know this is late af but I just wanted to elaborate on my thoughts about Vanessa Vokey (“Samantha Lux is a man” chick) since a lot of people took my initial post the wrong way.

I agree with most of Vanessa Vokey’s points but I can’t help but feel like she enjoys the male validation her anti-tranny stance gets her. I mean, she goes through her comments and hearts all the ones from dudes. She even parrots /pol/ copypastas, telling trannies in the comments that the archeologist who discovers their bodies will know it was a guy. Her whole fanbase is male /pol/fags. If she wants to share her thoughts and opinions, why can’t she do it without showing her face? And if she actually wants to stop the trannies, why doesn’t she go out and do something instead of sitting at home and making videos seething about them? It’s clear she wants to garner simps.

Pic related

 

[Deepland Bystander]

A while ago Keira Bell, noted detransitioner who sued Tavistock, admitted she uses the male bathroom "because I have male secondary sex characteristics" except even if she had a fleshpole im p sure you can't pee through it.

like Scott. From what I've seen he doesn't believe that his male identity is legitimate, he just doesn't think detransing is really an option for him because of how permanent the changes are. He knows and acknowledges that he is female and that he transitioned due to homophobia. And he's super vocal about not doing this shit to children.

I don't know if I'll get MATI for this but there's a big reason detransitioners are both sympathetic and annoying me a lot at the same time.

I understand their contradictory stance, Especially for ftms because it has a practical value as some changes are irreversible. But at the same time I see that transgenderism can be seen an ideology, and detransition is just a renouncing of that ideology. Perhaps, understand that you don't need to look a certain way to be man or a woman could be an ideal. Eventually I believe FtM will be easy to clock in general public anyway due to the growing amount of them. All they can do is keep lying to themselves and set up excuses to not face their issue head on.

The thing is, the problems with a lot of "sane" and regretting troons and many of detrooners now are probably because of their lack of self acceptance in the first place. While they can see that transitioning doesn't fix it... They still have that issues that are difficult to get addressed because trying to discuss or understand the underlying mental process of trannyism is a taboo in public sphere. Just as @remiem said, It's a big cope of their decisions, they may be able to speak out of their regret but truly accepting themselves? That's required mental fortitude that's difficult for everyone who's been through traumatic experiences. There's one big shame in my life that I still struggle to get over it, and while I am sympathetic of that... Because I kind of get what it feels like trying to block and not facing that trauma. This copium is tiring to live with.

There's one detrooner who came before most know that detransition is a thing, her username is Chaos Cat or something of that sense, I couldn't remember. And it just seem that after she made a few videos of her experiences where I feel like she's the one truly accepting of her bad decisions, and just disappeared from internet afterwards. She doesn't see herself as a victim.. but accepting that she fucked up once. and say things how that her voice and facial hair is female. It's "ok" to look like this. It's a bold admittance I don't see much from newer crop of detrooners, where instead they whine how much of a victim they are and everyone wronged them ... Except themselves. Keira Bell is a big example of this. But I do see the "lack of responsibility" and blaming others as a result of the lack of self acceptance and troon related narcissism.

There's also a detroon ex-mtf we talked about either here or GRS thread. He got a cock chop, then get a nonfunctional flesh tube and acts like it's a real penis...Man.. perhaps the kind of people who troon out in the first place are more concerned about how things look on the outside than the internal function of thing. And even if they regretted, they still see things shallowly?

If/when you're able to make peace with the end of this friendship, you might consider giving him the book Men Trapped in Men's Bodies by Anne Lawrence. (And if you haven't read it, I'd recommend it, it might help you understand your friend's seemingly sudden spiral even better than you already do.)

Most likely, he won't read it and will be furious at you until the end of his days. You never know, though--maybe, in a moment of despair or clarity, he'll pick it up and begin the process of coming to truly understand himself. As Dr. Lawrence (a self-admitted autogynephilic TW) notes in the book, many AGPs find the inner peace that transition fails to fully provide them when the learn about AGP, and it can help those who accept themselves as AGP to re-integrate their true male personality with their constructed feminine persona. After all, that kind of cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing for a previously reasonable person to live with.

Just an idea! Regardless, good luck, man. I have some personal life experience with this too and it's just so demoralizing.

Here's a link: https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf
(Tried to archive it, seems like you can't do it for web links to PDFs? I'm a tech SPED, sry.)

Self-aware troon annoys me much more than truly loony ones. Simply because it seems like the get so close to the "real issue" but purposefully ignore it to uphold their fetish and illusion they made for themselves. Anne Lawrence has a trailing list of sexual assaults history. He works with Blanchard, and contrary to the public view of him, Blanchard actually advocate for people to troon out to live their fetish. And just deal with cognitive dissonance later.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

I think I clocked my first stealth ftm a month or so back. Was at a Casey's (rural gas station chain in the USA). This skinny little white wigger lookin dude, maybe 5'3" tops, with patchy red facial hair walks in. Their hands were so delicate and small, like hands meant to knit sweaters for mice. My mind puts it all together as I made eye contact with them. Their expression was like I caught them stealing. I assume she was always on full alert, scanning for eyes bright with the horrifying recognition that it was a female before them.

 

[Father Brown]

Jannies remove this if it's off topic, but here's a big powerlevel vent about losing my best friend.

Spoiler

I have read every single fucking page of this thread. Started at page 1, finally ended here. I autistically read through this to try and make sense of what the fuck happened to my best friend. I lost him six months ago. He trooned out, called himself a woman. I was accepting, but it was just too much. This man has been a part of my life for 12 years. His dad took us fishing, my grandad took us camping. He taught me how to drive stickshift and ride motorcycles, he helped me get into shape and drop 30 lbs as a teen. We learned guitar together, we build our first pc's with the help of the other. And yet he fucking trooned out because he "always felt like a woman".

But he's not a woman, we all know that. His dad mourns the loss of his son, his sisters pretend to accept him, but text me often about how weird he is, his mom left their family a few years ago. I can't even hang out with him anymore, nothing we do feels right anymore. Everytime we go out to town, I am always embarassed standing next to a 6'3 man in a skirt. Everyone can tell he doesn't pass, and often times we have to drive home because he felt like people were staring too much. We can't play guitar together anymore, he sees his massive man hands hitting frets that even I struggle to and he just breaks down and cries. Even playing vidya doesn't feel the same anymore, since his sense of humor has changed so much. He went from the most confident bastard I knew to a sensitive little sissy. Constantly needing to be comforted and reaffirmed, and I have lied to him telling him what a beautiful girl he is, but it feels gross doing that. Worst part is that he is a mishmash of feminine and male traits, he is your typical troon, has male hobbies like gaming and tech, for fucks sake he still drives the STI we tuned and help rebuild as teens, has an adams apple that is more pronounced than a snake eating a golf ball, has one of the most defined jawlines I've seen in a guy, and has the genetics to grow a great beard judging by his dad and granddad. He is too masculine to hang out with real women like his sisters and her friends, but too feminine to really hang out with men. He's just alone.

I thought that this thread may help me either cope with it, or even talk him out of de-transitioning, but I just can't. He's already talking about SRS and trying to get appointments for HRT, even though everyone is telling him he's rushing into things way too fast. I can try to talk him out of it, but he'll end up resenting me. Hell he already kind of does, even though I do my best to not deadname him and use proper pronouns, going from knowing someone as him for 12 years is hard to change, I'm even doing it now. But I'm the only one he has left. He has no real close friends besides me, all his work friends distanced themselves from him long ago. I am the last real life friend he has, his discord troon buddies just pink pill him even more. This fucking sucks, I hate trannies for what they did to my lad. I tried guys, I really did. But six months is all I can take really. I don't think I can continue doing this with him anymore. Every time I talk to him about waiting, or perhaps that it is just a phase, he flips his shit and yells at me (yells, not screams, because he's a 6'3 man), and tells me never to talk to him again, only to text me a few days later wanting to go to the bookstore or guitar store. This man used to be the most level headed guy I knew, and would constantly be the one to prevent me from flipping my shit or getting into fights, and now it's like things have changed, he's the hothead and I am the emotionally leveled one. But I'm not emotionally level, I'm just fucking emotionally drained from dealing with his bullshit. I have many friends that are girls, and that shit is tiring. He was supposed to be my retreat from constant whining about shitty bf's or drama, but now he's turned into the main source of drama in my life. I'm too embarrassed to have him at my house anymore, so we just hang in his troon room, full of trans pride shit that is so obnoxious my eyes bleed. How did the man that was the normal one out of the two of us end up making the fucking furry look like the socially well adapted one? I am thankful to whatever cruel god that he isn't a furry (that I am aware of), but knowing his troon buddies that's soon to change.

TLDR I just want my fucking best friend back.

I am going to go against everyone suggesting that you give up or cut ties or whatever else. I always believe that we have a duty of sorts to our friends; we should help them if we can. To this effect, I have some suggestions/advice that I hope might be of use to you.

Firstly, has he ever talked about what he wants to do in the future (beyond HRT or SRS)? Has he ever explained to you in any detail how he imagines his future as a 'woman'? Does he ever talk about, say, what being a 'woman' means etc. to him?

I think if you want to help him out of the hole that he's fallen into these are valuable for you to know and understand. For most - indeed probably all - troons, the ultimate driver and impetus to troon out, to embrace a cross-sex identity is really a set of internal fantasies and imaginings. 'Memories' of the future if you will, to him these are going to be extremely positively valenced; they feel 'good' in the simplest sense.

His affective disposition is why he is going to think or conclude that this is his 'authentic' self; it's what everyone's 'authentic' selves are, the person who we warmly imagine that we could be. The value in knowing what sort of things he day dreams or fantasizes about is that you could help him better appraise those imaginings.

For all of us, when we dream or even just desire something, we imagine it and from our affective disposition we interpret whether we want it or not. Our interpretations are inevitably not infallible. Firstly, because our imaginations may not comport with reality, but secondly because our interpretation of what it is within our imaginings it is that we feel positively disposed towards is fallible. All imaginings contain more than just the abstract object of supposed desire, they come in some context and if in our interpretations we fail to understand the impact of that context then we mistake the nature of our own desires.

In this case, your friendly imagines himself as a woman, but he can't imagine himself as a woman in some pure decontextualized sense as that makes no sense. He imagines himself doing things, being something in the world and so forth. Maybe, he projects himself into slice of life animes in a kind of modified sense, or thinks of himself as a beautiful girl that everyone fawns over or as in a bad-ass lesbian relationship. The key here is that it is not really being a 'woman' that makes him feel a positive affective disposition towards these things. It's the context, the effortless friendships, the attention and devotion etc., things that everyone is liable to desire.

His problem is in not recognizing that being a 'woman' is not central to why he enjoys those fantasies. Indeed, how could it be? There is nothing inherently good about being a woman nor is there any truth to ideas like innate 'gender identity' that would make it so. This is actually why you observe this huge disconnect between troons and normal people on the reality of 'gender identity' and on the supposed dreadfulness of being in a 'wrongly' sexed body. For us, ideas of being the opposite sex carry no affective charge. I think of myself as a woman and my thought is just: "So what?". The entire idea that one could feel a strong pull to a particular gender is just phenomenally mystifying and this is the reason.

The best advice is thus to get your friend to explain what appeals to him, what he imagines in the future and so forth, and to get him to do so as candidly as possible. As if you can understand what drives him then you can help him find a different interpretation of his desires. The goal is really to get him to re-interpret his fantasies to see being a 'woman' as not the core driver of his affective disposition, but rather just as a sort of vehicle. If he can see it as a vehicle, then he can also see that transitioning won't make him happy, because the other parts of his dreams - the parts that actually make him feel happy - don't follow as some natural logical consequence to transition, they're just 'possibilities' and quite likely not very realistic ones. Moreover, this could help him start to see a happy future self that was a man.

I don't know that any of this is really easy, and many of his fantasies are probably fairly explicit in nature, so I don't he'd tell you about those. It might also be difficult to get your friend to open up about the non-explicit stuff though, he might unconsciously intuit that his dreams are a bit silly. This will depend on your friend's personality I suppose and your ability to show sympathy in the right way for him.

The other thing I'd suggest is to try get him into situations that make him feel happy, particularly social situations. It is my experience that troon imaginings tend to be mostly social in nature, if you can give him something fun of a similar nature then it could help him as well. This might be impossible though, since you'd have to convince him not to cross-dress, therefore you'd need to try think up some excuse to convince him. Drugs/alcohol are good to make him less miserable in the process as he'll probably set very negative expectations as a kind of defense if he's not dressed up.

For what's it worth, Scott Newgent is probably the biggest hypocrite ever and I posted about that a while back. She's open how much these surgeries ruined her life, yet still acting on the sunk cost fallacy mode believing that her male identity is legitimate. But when her daughter is trooning out, she thinks that is just another case of being a trender. Rules for thee, not for me.

I really don't get Scott, to be honest. Even the trannies that seem sane, and accepting of harsh reality.... There's still a huge, blindspot in their logic... does anyone has a good reading to Scott Newgent situation why she's acting like that?

Spoiler: Newgent

Yeh, Newgent is a little bit deranged, interesting only because of the inside perspective that she offers. Underappreciated at times how crazy a lot of FtMs are. They might not have MtF troons matched for antisocial behavior, but for simple insanity they can match them the whole way.

Hell, I'd say that straight women who troon out late are the craziest troon demographic and comfortably so.

FWIW, I think it doesn't really matter what you do once you've transitioned unless there are obvious objective benefits to detransitioning. So, althought Newgent is definitely nuts, it's probably the correct call to just stick it out anyways since life would probably be more difficult as an obviously masculinized woman. Something similar can be said for Keira Bell still using men's bathrooms. If you don't neurotically obsess about 'gender identity' then just doing whatever is easiest given the world as it exists is the obvious thing to do.

I would like to share my hot take about this again, that the reason both chad ex-military type AGPs and autistic anime type AGPs troon out is because they are so masculine and driven by their libido that their brain breaks. Like, this is your brain on too much testosterone.

Spoiler: High T AGPs

Hypersexualism => massively increased probability of developing some (many) form(s) of paraphilia. I think there's also an element of just sheer antisociality that extreme masculinization produces especially in conjunction with an at least slightly 'autistic' personality. So, a lot of these kind of guys have some basic disregard for laws, rules or norms of basically any kind. Hence, if they decide they want to do something utterly insane, then that's what they'll do, everyone else be damned. Relatedly, they tend to be hyper-competitive and are often regarded as dickheads of a sort.

I have a kind of (admittantly under-evidenced) theory that pre-2010 AGP-types were far more often highly masculine types for this reason whereas, now they are relatively less masculine autists and the like, who would never have had the chutzpah to even start thinking about trooning out. This can be combined with the fact that back then there was reduced access/exposure to more extreme types of porn, while other social drivers/influences were less present. So, you probably needed to have a more unchained sex drive.

Men like Martin 'Martine' Rothblatt, Bob 'Zoey' Tur or Eddie Izzard are all good examples.

 

[Vaclav]

Trans morality comics. VERY cult like reasoning there. I wonder if this is how Scientology does it.

I've told people before that the way trannies recruit in online gender discussion groups is exactly like Scientology's "free stress test." The result of the test is always the same, indicating that you must join the cult. You could answer their questions as the most masculine male or the most feminine female and they would find that by even asking the question you've shown that you must be trans.

And the following steps are the same as other cults as well; first you get love-bombed for how stunning and brave you are, but then the demand is placed on you: you must transition. Do it as early as possible, time is your enemy, you should have started 10 years ago. As you devolve into more of a freak your friends and family outside the cult are naturally pushed away and your social circle becomes nothing but cult members, and leaving means losing them all and having to own up to the fact you were conned. I remember in Jason Beghe's video about Scientology he said they took him for more than a million dollars. Imagine admitting you were conned into cutting off your dick or breasts.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Holy shit, it took me reading the comment section and the replies in this thread to realize that "You might be a transbian if" video was NOT parody.

Honest to god, I thought it was just some guy who threw on a wig and put together a bunch of memes about how dumb it is that weebs think choosing the girl character in Pokemon means you're totally a valid and true wamen.

My brain cannot process that that video was not satire. The fact that that guy is not being relentlessly bullied in the YouTube comments pretty much indicates to me society is doomed.

Yep, I also thought that was satire but nope of courss not. It's real life horror.

 

[Mal0]

I am going to go against everyone suggesting that you give up or cut ties or whatever else. I always believe that we have a duty of sorts to our friends; we should help them if we can. To this effect, I have some suggestions/advice that I hope might be of use to you.

Firstly, has he ever talked about what he wants to do in the future (beyond HRT or SRS)? Has he ever explained to you in any detail how he imagines his future as a 'woman'? Does he ever talk about, say, what being a 'woman' means etc. to him?

I think if you want to help him out of the hole that he's fallen into these are valuable for you to know and understand. For most - indeed probably all - troons, the ultimate driver and impetus to troon out, to embrace a cross-sex identity is really a set of internal fantasies and imaginings. 'Memories' of the future if you will, to him these are going to be extremely positively valenced; they feel 'good' in the simplest sense.

His affective disposition is why he is going to think or conclude that this is his 'authentic' self; it's what everyone's 'authentic' selves are, the person who we warmly imagine that we could be. The value in knowing what sort of things he day dreams or fantasizes about is that you could help him better appraise those imaginings.

For all of us, when we dream or even just desire something, we imagine it and from our affective disposition we interpret whether we want it or not. Our interpretations are inevitably not infallible. Firstly, because our imaginations may not comport with reality, but secondly because our interpretation of what it is within our imaginings it is that we feel positively disposed towards is fallible. All imaginings contain more than just the abstract object of supposed desire, they come in some context and if in our interpretations we fail to understand the impact of that context then we mistake the nature of our own desires.

In this case, your friendly imagines himself as a woman, but he can't imagine himself as a woman in some pure decontextualized sense as that makes no sense. He imagines himself doing things, being something in the world and so forth. Maybe, he projects himself into slice of life animes in a kind of modified sense, or thinks of himself as a beautiful girl that everyone fawns over or as in a bad-ass lesbian relationship. The key here is that it is not really being a 'woman' that makes him feel a positive affective disposition towards these things. It's the context, the effortless friendships, the attention and devotion etc., things that everyone is liable to desire.

His problem is in not recognizing that being a 'woman' is not central to why he enjoys those fantasies. Indeed, how could it be? There is nothing inherently good about being a woman nor is there any truth to ideas like innate 'gender identity' that would make it so. This is actually why you observe this huge disconnect between troons and normal people on the reality of 'gender identity' and on the supposed dreadfulness of being in a 'wrongly' sexed body. For us, ideas of being the opposite sex carry no affective charge. I think of myself as a woman and my thought is just: "So what?". The entire idea that one could feel a strong pull to a particular gender is just phenomenally mystifying and this is the reason.

The best advice is thus to get your friend to explain what appeals to him, what he imagines in the future and so forth, and to get him to do so as candidly as possible. As if you can understand what drives him then you can help him find a different interpretation of his desires. The goal is really to get him to re-interpret his fantasies to see being a 'woman' as not the core driver of his affective disposition, but rather just as a sort of vehicle. If he can see it as a vehicle, then he can also see that transitioning won't make him happy, because the other parts of his dreams - the parts that actually make him feel happy - don't follow as some natural logical consequence to transition, they're just 'possibilities' and quite likely not very realistic ones. Moreover, this could help him start to see a happy future self that was a man.

I don't know that any of this is really easy, and many of his fantasies are probably fairly explicit in nature, so I don't he'd tell you about those. It might also be difficult to get your friend to open up about the non-explicit stuff though, he might unconsciously intuit that his dreams are a bit silly. This will depend on your friend's personality I suppose and your ability to show sympathy in the right way for him.

The other thing I'd suggest is to try get him into situations that make him feel happy, particularly social situations. It is my experience that troon imaginings tend to be mostly social in nature, if you can give him something fun of a similar nature then it could help him as well. This might be impossible though, since you'd have to convince him not to cross-dress, therefore you'd need to try think up some excuse to convince him. Drugs/alcohol are good to make him less miserable in the process as he'll probably set very negative expectations as a kind of defense if he's not dressed up.

Spoiler

This will be the last I talk about my situation on this thread, since I would rather not shit it up with more of my personal issues, but I will consider your advice, and share what I've been told with his family and find a way to talk to him about it. I'm new to commenting on the farms, so I really don't know how spoilers/quoting works, but in essence:

- SRS/HRT and the future? That's the problem, he doesn't really have a future. This is the first time he has done something so compulsive in his life. For fucks sake he took a week to pick out what gauge guitar strings he wanted for his Fender. This is the first time he's rushed towards doing something with little to no plans. His general plans are to go on HRT, get SRS, and hopefully end up a pretty girl by the end of it to get happy. I have no doubt it's AGP, since every icon he has is a "cute anime girl uwu", but I don't think he has any longterm plans.

- Situations that make him happy: Again, the issue is that no hobby we had really makes him happy anymore. He has a breakdown and "dysphoria" about his massive man hands when we play guitar together, we can't go to car meets because he gets so many stares and doesn't feel "comfortable" around all the guys, playing games is okay for a while, but the whole point of us playing games it to chat while we play, but all our conversations fizzle out. Going out into public and dicking around at a guitar store, going to music shops, or even the local bookstore isn't really an option because we always end up cutting our trip into town short, since someone always clocks him or misgenders him. Literally I drove us out into town to check out a new manga he wanted to read (and I was going to pick up a few books for my college), and we literally walked in, got a few feet in when he pulled me aside and begged to go back home, saying that the group of teenage girls were eyeing him funny. He's literally become a new person. His sisters have tried to take them to their book club and out shopping with their friends, but none of them feel comfortable around him (or so they say).

- Not Crossdressing: Man of fucking man I have tried, I have tried so hard. Putting it in the nicest way possible, putting it bluntly, doing a mix of both, nothing. He always dresses femininely, hell, the only male clothes I can specially remember him having still is a motorcycle jacket he got for his 18th birthday and a hoodie I bought him for chrismas a year ago. He literally dumped many hundreds into a new wardrobe, clothes, shoes, underwear.... bras... (fuck that last one really hurt to type).

That's why I am thinking it's mental illness, he has no clear future, he just says being a woman feels "right", "natural", and "always how I was meant to be".

No Zack, no. You were "never meant" to be a girl. You want to play religion and say god put a woman in a man's body? Well god is a cruel fucking bastard then, because he put you in a body that most men would kill to be in. 6'3, fit as a fucking mule, always had a cool 5 o'clock shadow, and the charm that made me look up to you in so many ways. Drop the shit man, you were meant to be a guy, a man's man. Even if god put Hailey inside you, she should just suck it up, and use the balls god gave her to be a man and tough it out like the rest of us. If I wanted all this drama and to be protecting a skinny man in a dress with lipstick and a stubble I'd be working as a Pulse Nightclub bouncer.

Anyways, I just don't fucking know. I joined KF because I loved Josh's comfy streams and wanted to browse some lolcows. Sorry for shitting up this thread with my issues and venting like a little baby, it's the last I'll mention of it. I'll try to talk him out, Zack deserves one last attempt, one genuine attempt with all his family there (I'd say friends, but I'll be blunt I'm the last one he has), and try to get him back. If not, then I know for certain I don't want Hailey as my best friend, no one replaces Zack.

Thanks Kiwis. Thanks.