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ベレト is the most common transliteration of Beleth in Japanese. Her real problem is not realizing that the H is silent.
Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out
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My grave mistake then!
I did hear PK actually pronounce the "th" of the name like the "th" in "thing" in the stream. I also thought "Beleth" was some made-up name like with "Orobas" or "Amadusias".
I did hear PK actually pronounce the "th" of the name like the "th" in "thing" in the stream. I also thought "Beleth" was some made-up name like with "Orobas" or "Amadusias".
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You know, I'm not actually opposed to the whole "ask blog" thing as a concept. It's either a simple way to do some general RP'ing or in this case having characters do stuff out of the spotlight... which is half the problem in that one with the flat guy.
If you're going to have one then try and do something fun with the characters or, y'know, answer the question with the character that was asked in the first place.
I'm guessing this guy's the haughty reality-warper type right? Why not have him boastfully insist he'd look good in any form, goes into 3D... but turns out so goofy looking and/or impossible to keep balance or something that he frantically demands the interview to end while the interviewer goes into a total laughing fit?
But instead we get whoever the other one is ranting for like four pages. Surely that's what the ask sender wanted.
If you're going to have one then try and do something fun with the characters or, y'know, answer the question with the character that was asked in the first place.
I'm guessing this guy's the haughty reality-warper type right? Why not have him boastfully insist he'd look good in any form, goes into 3D... but turns out so goofy looking and/or impossible to keep balance or something that he frantically demands the interview to end while the interviewer goes into a total laughing fit?
But instead we get whoever the other one is ranting for like four pages. Surely that's what the ask sender wanted.
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I'm okay with it too, I mean Cucumber Quest does it and it doesn't bother me because every chapter is like 70 pages long and the breaks are small and can be both funny and informative. It's all a matter of doing it right.
All of the demon names she's using are taken from the Ars Goetia (yeah even Furfur!). One I can't place is Biff, the only one it could be is Bifrons but it wouldn't make sense. Andre's name I'm pretty sure refers to Andrealphus. Orobas and Amdusias are closest to the source material, since they are both horses. Andrealphus is a peacock. "Current" Beleth is certainly based on this illustration of the demon Beleth:
Granted, all her demons have 0 to do with their correspondents in the Ars Goetia and in the traditional demonology texts. Even past Beleth, whom PK prefers greatly over their present form, is as detached from the original concept as it gets. Why am I sperging about this? Well because 1) I am a big nerd when it comes to Christian mythology and 2) PK thinks her demons are less boring
This is from her other tumblr, belethstoybox. This response is obnoxious in many ways to me.
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Probably because it's the exact same supposed thought process they complain about?
I admit I gravitate towards preferring female characters like, 70% of the time but this is flat out admitting "I deliberately exclude males because my knees are soggy!"
I admit I gravitate towards preferring female characters like, 70% of the time but this is flat out admitting "I deliberately exclude males because my knees are soggy!"
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"GENDER DOES NOT MATTER. I am non binary and do not care for gender for its a social construct. Well. Except for males those are fucking boring to read I only wanted female characters because they're not boring unlike females AGH."
What a child.
What a child.
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"Dare I draw a negro male?"
Same goes for any Tumblrina artist actually.
It's update time!
This update is marginally better than the last one, as a question for Andre is actually answered by Andre (and not some other character high on PCP who claimed earlier to be "too busy" to answer such questions).
One of the best things as being an Arch-Magni is sending people to the slave mines! Hahaha, oh that kooky Andre!!
Same goes for any Tumblrina artist actually.
It's update time!
This update is marginally better than the last one, as a question for Andre is actually answered by Andre (and not some other character high on PCP who claimed earlier to be "too busy" to answer such questions).
One of the best things as being an Arch-Magni is sending people to the slave mines! Hahaha, oh that kooky Andre!!
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Thanks for the update warnings, Galaxy!
Thank goodness there is no Pride in this update so our eyes are spared of her design. At least Andre is less ugly to look at.
Hey look they are mocking the fact that no question has been answered so far! I wonder if they did it because someone complained about it in the comments, or whether they came across this discussion. I wonder what would happen if she or vee ever came across this forum.
Thank goodness there is no Pride in this update so our eyes are spared of her design. At least Andre is less ugly to look at.
Hey look they are mocking the fact that no question has been answered so far! I wonder if they did it because someone complained about it in the comments, or whether they came across this discussion. I wonder what would happen if she or vee ever came across this forum.
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Probably stamp her feet about how we're harassing her and make a comic about how horrible we are and send her attack dog bf to comment.
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I think PK is poking fun of it in a self-referring way because,
1) I never really see any complaints in the comments on the main site. Maybe they get deleted? We can only assume.
2) PK is on twitter a lot when not working and she complains a lot on it.
I'll probably stop linking updates once it gets to the point were it's just retreading stuff mentioned before ("Oh, yet another Beleth story arc?") or when I get bored.
I want to *like* Flora (or else I wouldn't be invested in riffing it when it gets goofy) because it could be something really neat if done well, but the Tumblr bullshit and few of the obnoxious characters makes that really hard.
1) I never really see any complaints in the comments on the main site. Maybe they get deleted? We can only assume.
2) PK is on twitter a lot when not working and she complains a lot on it.
I'll probably stop linking updates once it gets to the point were it's just retreading stuff mentioned before ("Oh, yet another Beleth story arc?") or when I get bored.
I want to *like* Flora (or else I wouldn't be invested in riffing it when it gets goofy) because it could be something really neat if done well, but the Tumblr bullshit and few of the obnoxious characters makes that really hard.
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I just gotta say, if that's the typical quality level of the comic's art, then I'm not sure why it's popular.
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Oh, boy, a thread about PK! I'm so happy. I don't even know where/how to start.
I'm afraid most of my opinions have already been voiced by other members, and I'm sorry if this post feels repetitive, but I couldn't help typing down my thoughts because PK has always been my favorite personal lolcow. It fills me with great pride to see her actually getting her own thread in the Farms (it's like my little girl's all grown up, dawwn)
I'm the kind of fan who's there simply for the art. I do not like PK and never interact with her. I'll admit I enjoy her stories and her art; it's developing into a unique, abusively cartoonish acid-trippy of a clusterfuck style that does not hurt my eyes too much (I interpret it as one of those wacky cartoons from that What a Cartoon Show from way back then), but it's really annoying me that her main characters are having their personalities blended, and her supposedly 'funny' comics are not funny at all and present the protagonists as insufferable twats. The part about story-telling though comes mostly from Marl's writing; he is a doormat just like Eevee, and also a pervert, but at least he reads a hell lot of books and is a fan of Poe and Stephen King.
The Flowerkitty World was a lot cleanear and more realistic than the current incarnation of Flora, although I still feel it was a little bland and unoriginal. I don't think the worldbuilding improved that much; it's not absurdly poor, but it's not really that great either. And, yes, the Floraverse is her personal RP playground and irrelevant shit is brought up constantly, like the main story is solely composed of spin-offs and fanfiction of itself. While PK's very good with colors, her character designs are abstract Pokemon knock-offs and her humans are just terrible (coincidentally the only rule of Floraverse is NO HUMANS ALLOWED, go figure). I do appreciate that she spends so much time improving herself and working on her art (unlike Derbson, for instance), but more often than not she delivers pieces that feel very rushed and too sketchy, unlike her finished, very polished works of the past. I blame that on her production rate, though.
PK insists on a fairly reasonable motive to have dropped out of art school, but 4channers and anonymous claim it happened because she was always drawing porn in class and ignoring teachers and their assignments. To be honest, that's not really hard to believe, seeing as PK has an inflated ego and has been drawing porn (of the worst kind) for several years now. She just can't handle criticism and simply cannot be contradicted.
I was participating in the chats of the latest podcast, where both Marl and PK were being interviewed, and this random user and fan of the Floraverse sent questions specifically for Marl, mostly concerning writing and worldbuilding. PK proceeds to throw a hissyfit and says she's gonna kick that person's ass because she 'does most of the work related to Flora'. The user apologizes and explains they didn't know (it doesn't help that most important updates concerning the actual story of Flora say 'by PK AND Marl'). Turns out PK replies poorly to barely half of the questions, whilst Marl spends a good amount of time responding, quite thoroughly, and to all of them. Talking to this girl is like walking on a minefield; you have to be extremely careful not to step on her toes or you'll risk getting banned or a mouthful.
The funniest thing about the whole e621 drama was that the folks there were actually right about using the "male" term to refer to Orobas. "Male", by definition, means 'an individual of XY chromossome, having penis, scrotum and testicles for genitals, and that produces sperm'; it has nothing to do with how that indivial sees himself. So, yes, not only did they rightfully follow the "tag what you see" policy, but they also used the appropriate definition.
In other words, PK was, as usual, full of bullshit. Her SJWism peaked the highest levels thanks to drowning in the Tumblr ocean, to the point she, like mentioned before, has a gender ratio when creating characters, making sure there are always less males than females or whatever else. Also, her character references display 'pronouns' rather than sex/gender; you can't possibly go more tumblr-y than that (scratch that, she might just start using special pronouns eventually).
She was perfectly fine with being 'she' for everyone, but decided an year or so ago that she does not belong to the binary system and demands that 'strangers' call her 'they', while her friends are allowed to call her 'she'. Seriously, if you don't identify with the female gender, you shouldn't be making exceptions on who can call you what; that's special snowflakism of ultimate levels. Also, she is not trans and has no dysphoria.
Yes, whichever character is the main character in a story arc also happens to be her self-insert, and most of her short comics and character interviews are useless because they try to be witty ('hee hee we're not going to tell you, look how quirky we are!') but only serve to display the characters as entitled, obnoxious cunts. Beleth's current spotlight really feels like PK is trying to shove a filler arc down everyone's throat because she's so fucking obsessed with that cat.
Oh, yeah, self-diagnosed with autism because she's anti-social, bitchy and an insufferable brat who is forever asspatted by her circlejerk of friends and 'partners'. She refuses to go to a doctor because she read somewhere on the internet that 'doctors can't diagnose autism in girls', so, of course, knowing more than an experienced, trained physician, she rightfully diagnosed it herself.
Also, seeing as some of us mentioned her boyfriends, Eevee is a huge whiteknight and very much pussywhipped; he counter-strikes every attack on PK by delivering walls of text that are often tl;dr and full of 'smart sentences that totally annihilate the weens'. Also, he was the one who wrote that 130+ pages of rebuttal, but, apparently, people's opinions on PK didn't change (rofl).
Marl is usually quiet, doesn't really interact with the community (as far as I've noticed), but is known as a dogfucker and a kiddymongler and, seeing as he has no job and no source of income, financially depends on PK. There was a post in Pengosolvent's blog referencing Marl's pedobear tendencies (I remember he randomly posted something that started with 'hi marl', because he was assumingly receiving private messages from him). I should've screencapped that, dammit. But I truly believe their legal action against Pengo also comes from the fact he knows about Marl's fetishism.
Of course, even with all the hilarious bullshit that happened between them, they'll forever stick together as a dysfunctional polygamous group because PK dictates their lives and also pays their bills. It's laughable at how much of a hypocrite she is when talking about her relationships.
They are all despicable people who deserve each other.
I'm afraid most of my opinions have already been voiced by other members, and I'm sorry if this post feels repetitive, but I couldn't help typing down my thoughts because PK has always been my favorite personal lolcow. It fills me with great pride to see her actually getting her own thread in the Farms (it's like my little girl's all grown up, dawwn)
I'm the kind of fan who's there simply for the art. I do not like PK and never interact with her. I'll admit I enjoy her stories and her art; it's developing into a unique, abusively cartoonish acid-trippy of a clusterfuck style that does not hurt my eyes too much (I interpret it as one of those wacky cartoons from that What a Cartoon Show from way back then), but it's really annoying me that her main characters are having their personalities blended, and her supposedly 'funny' comics are not funny at all and present the protagonists as insufferable twats. The part about story-telling though comes mostly from Marl's writing; he is a doormat just like Eevee, and also a pervert, but at least he reads a hell lot of books and is a fan of Poe and Stephen King.
The Flowerkitty World was a lot cleanear and more realistic than the current incarnation of Flora, although I still feel it was a little bland and unoriginal. I don't think the worldbuilding improved that much; it's not absurdly poor, but it's not really that great either. And, yes, the Floraverse is her personal RP playground and irrelevant shit is brought up constantly, like the main story is solely composed of spin-offs and fanfiction of itself. While PK's very good with colors, her character designs are abstract Pokemon knock-offs and her humans are just terrible (coincidentally the only rule of Floraverse is NO HUMANS ALLOWED, go figure). I do appreciate that she spends so much time improving herself and working on her art (unlike Derbson, for instance), but more often than not she delivers pieces that feel very rushed and too sketchy, unlike her finished, very polished works of the past. I blame that on her production rate, though.
PK insists on a fairly reasonable motive to have dropped out of art school, but 4channers and anonymous claim it happened because she was always drawing porn in class and ignoring teachers and their assignments. To be honest, that's not really hard to believe, seeing as PK has an inflated ego and has been drawing porn (of the worst kind) for several years now. She just can't handle criticism and simply cannot be contradicted.
I was participating in the chats of the latest podcast, where both Marl and PK were being interviewed, and this random user and fan of the Floraverse sent questions specifically for Marl, mostly concerning writing and worldbuilding. PK proceeds to throw a hissyfit and says she's gonna kick that person's ass because she 'does most of the work related to Flora'. The user apologizes and explains they didn't know (it doesn't help that most important updates concerning the actual story of Flora say 'by PK AND Marl'). Turns out PK replies poorly to barely half of the questions, whilst Marl spends a good amount of time responding, quite thoroughly, and to all of them. Talking to this girl is like walking on a minefield; you have to be extremely careful not to step on her toes or you'll risk getting banned or a mouthful.
The funniest thing about the whole e621 drama was that the folks there were actually right about using the "male" term to refer to Orobas. "Male", by definition, means 'an individual of XY chromossome, having penis, scrotum and testicles for genitals, and that produces sperm'; it has nothing to do with how that indivial sees himself. So, yes, not only did they rightfully follow the "tag what you see" policy, but they also used the appropriate definition.
In other words, PK was, as usual, full of bullshit. Her SJWism peaked the highest levels thanks to drowning in the Tumblr ocean, to the point she, like mentioned before, has a gender ratio when creating characters, making sure there are always less males than females or whatever else. Also, her character references display 'pronouns' rather than sex/gender; you can't possibly go more tumblr-y than that (scratch that, she might just start using special pronouns eventually).
She was perfectly fine with being 'she' for everyone, but decided an year or so ago that she does not belong to the binary system and demands that 'strangers' call her 'they', while her friends are allowed to call her 'she'. Seriously, if you don't identify with the female gender, you shouldn't be making exceptions on who can call you what; that's special snowflakism of ultimate levels. Also, she is not trans and has no dysphoria.
Yes, whichever character is the main character in a story arc also happens to be her self-insert, and most of her short comics and character interviews are useless because they try to be witty ('hee hee we're not going to tell you, look how quirky we are!') but only serve to display the characters as entitled, obnoxious cunts. Beleth's current spotlight really feels like PK is trying to shove a filler arc down everyone's throat because she's so fucking obsessed with that cat.
Oh, yeah, self-diagnosed with autism because she's anti-social, bitchy and an insufferable brat who is forever asspatted by her circlejerk of friends and 'partners'. She refuses to go to a doctor because she read somewhere on the internet that 'doctors can't diagnose autism in girls', so, of course, knowing more than an experienced, trained physician, she rightfully diagnosed it herself.
Also, seeing as some of us mentioned her boyfriends, Eevee is a huge whiteknight and very much pussywhipped; he counter-strikes every attack on PK by delivering walls of text that are often tl;dr and full of 'smart sentences that totally annihilate the weens'. Also, he was the one who wrote that 130+ pages of rebuttal, but, apparently, people's opinions on PK didn't change (rofl).
Marl is usually quiet, doesn't really interact with the community (as far as I've noticed), but is known as a dogfucker and a kiddymongler and, seeing as he has no job and no source of income, financially depends on PK. There was a post in Pengosolvent's blog referencing Marl's pedobear tendencies (I remember he randomly posted something that started with 'hi marl', because he was assumingly receiving private messages from him). I should've screencapped that, dammit. But I truly believe their legal action against Pengo also comes from the fact he knows about Marl's fetishism.
Of course, even with all the hilarious bullshit that happened between them, they'll forever stick together as a dysfunctional polygamous group because PK dictates their lives and also pays their bills. It's laughable at how much of a hypocrite she is when talking about her relationships.
They are all despicable people who deserve each other.
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Welcome!
I can sort of see where she's coming from though in terms of hours spent. She spends 12 hours working on art with shitty eating/sleeping habits almost everyday. Marl just writes stories, and that can take maybe 2-5+ hours with breaks depending on how long it is? Eevee codes the website and other junk for PK.
Brainstorming wise? I see her mention every now and then how she and Marl brainstormed something that day. I don't know which stuff Eevee had a hand in, except maybe those conjoined pink gel rabbits(NWS!) made for his own masturbation fodder.
Anyhoo, this is just PK being self-concited overall.
Sheeeeiit, I need to listen to this podcast. It sounds so trainwrecky, I must rubber-neck!
I can sort of see where she's coming from though in terms of hours spent. She spends 12 hours working on art with shitty eating/sleeping habits almost everyday. Marl just writes stories, and that can take maybe 2-5+ hours with breaks depending on how long it is? Eevee codes the website and other junk for PK.
Brainstorming wise? I see her mention every now and then how she and Marl brainstormed something that day. I don't know which stuff Eevee had a hand in, except maybe those conjoined pink gel rabbits(NWS!) made for his own masturbation fodder.
Anyhoo, this is just PK being self-concited overall.
Pretty sad how far the Tumblr hell hole she fell. Just around a year or so ago, she was reblogging stuff about neo-pronouns and how she thought they were stupid as hell (one of the few things I can agree with her on...or could). Can't wait to see Jam unironically use xe/xer/xem.
Actually Eevee only wrote an additional 65+ pages to Pengo's 65+ pages. That doesn't make it any less dumb though.
The latter is correct, however Marl runs her online store and is her print/button-making bitch. Eevee had a cushy coding job for Yelp so if anything, both PK and Marl (and Exty) were most likely financially dependent on him at times. He was the one who bought the house they live in.
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Yes, I would understand her frustration if it was implied she didn't do much. The thing is, the user specifically asked about story-telling and reading in general. PK often talks about such things in her ask.fm and Tumblr because people ask her questions about that. Marl, on the other hand, is a silent contributor, he doesn't really talk about how he works, but is also known for creating various interesting characters and story parts. The user merely wanted Marl's input, there was no reason for PK to overreact the way she did; as usual, she blows things out of proportion.
Pretty sad how far the Tumblr hell hole she fell. Just around a year or so ago, she was reblogging stuff about neo-pronouns and how she thought they were stupid as hell (one of the few things I can agree with her on...or could). Can't wait to see Jam unironically use xe/xer/xem.
Oh, God, yes. PK just keeps sinking, it's really sad. She's sinking to the point she's contradicting her own convictions, it's pathetic.
Ah, oops, my bad! But, yeah, it's still pretty autistic. I think it took him like a month to do that.
Oh. It's funny, I never saw Marl's occupation as a job in the proper sense of the word. I always thought it was more like helping PK get stuff done faster and more efficiently, and she was the only money-maker of the couple; of course, she would cover his personal expenses. I guess she does in fact pay him for doing what he does? I don't know how their financial arrangements work.
Ah, I didn't know it was Eevee who had bought the house. Why did he quit his job, again? Was it really that troublesome that the financial return didn't make up for it? You did mention it was for a very whiny dumb reason, so I had to take a look, and here's what I found:
(I apologize in advance for turning this into a more Eevee-specific post, but when people talk about PK it is just not possible to NOT mention her playthings, which have enough material to be lolcows themselves, specially Lexy. They are a single lolcow unit.)
Eevee says the following in his blog:
eevee said:
Wow, really? I thought that was the way most people dealt with work. Most of us don't have dream jobs, man. Honestly, that's a pretty lame excuse, BUT, if he's going to make money in some other, more entertaining (for him) way, than great for him, I guess.
eevee said:
Fff, seriously? If he detested his job, I would understand quitting, because, for some people, you have to at least enjoy a tiny bit of your occupation, otherwise working becomes unbearable. I guess most of us have been through a similar situation at some point in our lives, or are still going through . This, however, doesn't seem to be the issue. It doesn't even seem like true boredom.
eevee said:
Ehrm, what? Can't this guy make arrangements and reschedule his working hours or something, so he has time for his fun coding things? If he's a good employee, wouldn't his boss or supervisor or whatever try to help him? What a baby, man.
It's like he's complaining about absolutely nothing. He admits it's NICE, for God's sake.
eevee said:
Oh, I guess that answers one of my earliest questions. So he's going to live off Patreon (which happens to be ridiculous*) and PK, I guess. The rest of his post (link) pretty much adds nothing to his no-money issue, and only confirms my suspicions.
* and I would really like to understand why people support it; if you want to give money for someone for nothing in return but a sense of satisfaction or solidarity, then donate to a fucking charity, and not some idiot programmer who's perfectly capable of sustaining himself with an ordinary not-really-stressful job)
These people are truly an interesting bunch and I hope they never leave the internet.
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Eh, I'll have to disagree with you here. As someone who's an artist/storyteller working with a writer (who's also my boyfriend) I think it's important to give credit to the guy that writes a lot for you, even if you did most of the world building and all the drawing-- no matter how many hours it takes. After all, I'd hate to do all the writing myself since I run into writing blocks from time to time. The episodes my boyfriend wrote for our project with characters I originally made have developed my characters further. It's pretty gross to throw your creative partner/life partner under the bus because you need more credit (PK is the face for Floraverse anyway. Marl/Eevee/Exty are barely known to be part of the project. Why she needs more cred is beyond me.)
Also, creative partnership aside he's her god damn husband. Why is she being all competitive and weird with her god damn husband? Shouldn't you... you know, love the guy and want him to be apart of the stuff you do.
I'd hate to have a creative competition with my boyfriend, that sounds stressful and bizarre.
Also, my two cents on the Eevee financially dependence stuff. I am almost certain that Marl caved into PK + Eevee's relationship because Eevee offered financial stability for them.
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Well given the deliberate "avoid making male characters if possible" rule, she probably doesn't think much of her dear hubby on accounts of being a dang dirty MAN.
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Oh I agree, give credit where it's due! I meant in my post that PK probably thinks that Flora is mostly *her* work because she spends so many hours on it, compared to Marl/Exty. I didn't mean to discredit writers if it came across that way. Sorry about that!
Her response when someone asks a question not directed at her at all really shows the insecurities.
It's Friday, which means it's an update! Andre loves all the living things so much that he forces Pride's illiterate pet do tons of paper work in the SLAVE MINES. Then unto more self-important circle-jerking.
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I've never seen this comic before and holy fucking shit this is more purple than all of the saints row games thrown together
who the fuck thought this was a good design choice
I want to like the character designs but the colour honestly makes it difficult to understand their shapes, what the hell
who the fuck thought this was a good design choice
I want to like the character designs but the colour honestly makes it difficult to understand their shapes, what the hell
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I noticed that her NSFW comic has its own site now (and it's also on Hiveworks) http://forbiddenflora.com/
And seeing the satyr character reminded me, didn't PK have YET ANOTHER partner? Luvlymilk or something? They seemed to have bonded a lot, I mean Milk's character was all over PK's art at some point and I'm pretty sure PK's called her her girlfriend at some point. Then milk deleted all her Flora content forever and they never spoke again. Does anyone know what happened? There must have been some juicy hidden drama going on
And seeing the satyr character reminded me, didn't PK have YET ANOTHER partner? Luvlymilk or something? They seemed to have bonded a lot, I mean Milk's character was all over PK's art at some point and I'm pretty sure PK's called her her girlfriend at some point. Then milk deleted all her Flora content forever and they never spoke again. Does anyone know what happened? There must have been some juicy hidden drama going on