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Alright so a friend of mine brought this to my attention. I advise that this be taken with the biggest grain of salt possible. This guy claims to be a cover employee on his twitter profile. With Alternative being described as having a manga series, I thought this was interesting as some sort of potential leak from back before it was even announced. Again, this guy can just be some weirdo considering he has no other previous work uploaded and only has those two manga panels and another picture.
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He tweeted this out this manga panel with Fubuki back in December. Tweet and Archive
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Now on 1/6 he tweeted this manga panel with Mio, Fubuki, and Ayame. Tweet and Archive
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fake or not, cant say it something made by amateur. doujin or official i want more. shit look good
 
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Marine's playing Undertale for the first time and it's going about as well as you'd expect - chat sperging about endings. I swear like half the Undertale fandom hasn't actually played the game and doesn't know that you can't get the true pacifist ending on your first playthrough anyway.

Luckily Senchou is smart enough to ignore the backseaters by not reading chat.
 
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Marine's playing Undertale for the first time and it's going about as well as you'd expect - chat sperging about endings. I swear like half the Undertale fandom hasn't actually played the game and doesn't know that you can't get the true pacifist ending on your first playthrough anyway.

Luckily Senchou is smart enough to ignore the backseaters by not reading chat.
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Pekora just started as well.
 
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Pekora just started as well.
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I'm glad, honestly. Despite its absolutely intolerable fanbase, Undertale is actually quite good and it has a lot of fantastic moments for the hologirls to experience. I really enjoyed the scraps of Subaru's playthrough that still exist on Youtube.
 
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Ok I know you guys have kinda covered some of these issues, but I want to know your thoughts. I have zero interest in vtubers I just lurked the thread thinking it would be some community watch tier autism. But how do you guys feel about the vtuber industry? Especially in comparison to say, the idol industry? I'm asking because to me, this just seems like an extension of it as the girl is the product. My questions are:

1) Do you think this will end up like the idol industry with lots of cases of abuse in the background? What makes you think it wont go that way?

2) You already talked about one vtuber having a stalker, do you think many of the girls are aware of the crazy they are cultivating? Because idolfans are batshit and the parasocial relationship stuff is another reason I see this as idols 2D edition, and it's a legit danger imo.

3) This is KF, you guys should be familiar with how internet careers end up they either don't last or the individual ends up like DSP, hating their videogame playing life but having no exit. How fucked do you think these girls are in a few years when people look at other trends, and the girls all have a hole in their CV saying "played videogames". Internet streaming careers seem like a special kind of hell that fuck you up long term.

Am I wrong in thinking this will be like idolshit, and fuck up everyone involved while fans continue to support the industry? I don't get the appeal of vtubers, and if you enjoy them, you do you. Your thread seems nice enough but I just don't see it working out, especially as the market reaches oversaturation.
 
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The stray cat is looking for an owner. Despite the obvious voter fraud, it doesn't going so well.
 
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Erika Furudo said:
Ok I know you guys have kinda covered some of these issues, but I want to know your thoughts. I have zero interest in vtubers I just lurked the thread thinking it would be some community watch tier autism. But how do you guys feel about the vtuber industry? Especially in comparison to say, the idol industry? I'm asking because to me, this just seems like an extension of it as the girl is the product. My questions are:

1) Do you think this will end up like the idol industry with lots of cases of abuse in the background? What makes you think it wont go that way?

2) You already talked about one vtuber having a stalker, do you think many of the girls are aware of the crazy they are cultivating? Because idolfans are batshit and the parasocial relationship stuff is another reason I see this as idols 2D edition, and it's a legit danger imo.

3) This is KF, you guys should be familiar with how internet careers end up they either don't last or the individual ends up like DSP, hating their videogame playing life but having no exit. How fucked do you think these girls are in a few years when people look at other trends, and the girls all have a hole in their CV saying "played videogames". Internet streaming careers seem like a special kind of hell that fuck you up long term.

Am I wrong in thinking this will be like idolshit, and fuck up everyone involved while fans continue to support the industry? I don't get the appeal of vtubers, and if you enjoy them, you do you. Your thread seems nice enough but I just don't see it working out, especially as the market reaches oversaturation.
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1. That's already happened in a fair number of cases and I don't think anyone in their right mind believes that there's some kind of universal protection against future abuse cases. The only solace is that current Cover is doing a lot better in addition with Yagoo seeming like he has his girl's best interests at heart, and that there's plenty of indies out there who do things on their own terms. Some of those indies have managers and if abuse props up there, it'd be more like interpersonal drama and less institutionalized predilection towards abuse and mistreatment of talent as is prevalent in the idol industry.

Disclaimer that I can't speak on Nijisanji's part since they're still pretty fucked up in how they conduct things from what I hear and I know absolutely nothing about how VOMS handles themselves.

2. The professional ones? Most likely. But it's not like it's their personal responsibility to "manage" crazies because the super obsessed are inevitably going to pop up anywhere when you have someone trying to make a name for themselves in entertainment.

3. A fair bit of the popular ones tend to have marketable skills beyond just "playing video games for x hours a day", so it's not like they'll be totally hung out to dry if the streamer thing isn't sustainable in the long term. It all boils down to the individual knowing when to cut their losses and move on. If some of them end up being lolcows about it, then, hey, we'll have something interesting to talk about.

You're not wrong for being entitled to doomershit opinions and concerns. But you are open to being called dumb for having them.

Welcome to the Farms, fag.
 
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Erika Furudo said:
Ok I know you guys have kinda covered some of these issues, but I want to know your thoughts. I have zero interest in vtubers I just lurked the thread thinking it would be some community watch tier autism. But how do you guys feel about the vtuber industry? Especially in comparison to say, the idol industry? I'm asking because to me, this just seems like an extension of it as the girl is the product. My questions are:

1) Do you think this will end up like the idol industry with lots of cases of abuse in the background? What makes you think it wont go that way?

2) You already talked about one vtuber having a stalker, do you think many of the girls are aware of the crazy they are cultivating? Because idolfans are batshit and the parasocial relationship stuff is another reason I see this as idols 2D edition, and it's a legit danger imo.

3) This is KF, you guys should be familiar with how internet careers end up they either don't last or the individual ends up like DSP, hating their videogame playing life but having no exit. How fucked do you think these girls are in a few years when people look at other trends, and the girls all have a hole in their CV saying "played videogames". Internet streaming careers seem like a special kind of hell that fuck you up long term.

Am I wrong in thinking this will be like idolshit, and fuck up everyone involved while fans continue to support the industry? I don't get the appeal of vtubers, and if you enjoy them, you do you. Your thread seems nice enough but I just don't see it working out, especially as the market reaches oversaturation.
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Half of them are neets and if everything goes to pot and vtubers die out they'll go back to whatever it was they doing before they became a vtuber; namely, nothing.
 
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Half of them are neets and if everything goes to pot and vtubers die out they'll go back to whatever it was they doing before they became a vtuber; namely, nothing.
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Or being forced back into entry-level jobs/retail/service industry.

Gotta make a living somehow.
 
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Erika Furudo said:
Ok I know you guys have kinda covered some of these issues, but I want to know your thoughts. I have zero interest in vtubers I just lurked the thread thinking it would be some community watch tier autism. But how do you guys feel about the vtuber industry? Especially in comparison to say, the idol industry? I'm asking because to me, this just seems like an extension of it as the girl is the product. My questions are:

1) Do you think this will end up like the idol industry with lots of cases of abuse in the background? What makes you think it wont go that way?

2) You already talked about one vtuber having a stalker, do you think many of the girls are aware of the crazy they are cultivating? Because idolfans are batshit and the parasocial relationship stuff is another reason I see this as idols 2D edition, and it's a legit danger imo.

3) This is KF, you guys should be familiar with how internet careers end up they either don't last or the individual ends up like DSP, hating their videogame playing life but having no exit. How fucked do you think these girls are in a few years when people look at other trends, and the girls all have a hole in their CV saying "played videogames". Internet streaming careers seem like a special kind of hell that fuck you up long term.

Am I wrong in thinking this will be like idolshit, and fuck up everyone involved while fans continue to support the industry? I don't get the appeal of vtubers, and if you enjoy them, you do you. Your thread seems nice enough but I just don't see it working out, especially as the market reaches oversaturation.
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1) Already happened and in both sides of Ichikara and Cover

2) They are perfectly aware of their gachikois, there are some of them that keep them under a leash and others that just ignore them

3)Is been stated again and again that this gig is for more of the girls a platform to get into other places like voice acting, not a single of them consider being a liver for the rest of their lives, and sure as hell they are not going to follow the porn meme

The market is reaching oversaturation but in the indie side, in the corporate side only Ichikara is going full soviet union, Cover takes a lot of time recruiting for obvious reasons, and if you dont get the appeal then you are sure as hell in the wrong thread my dude

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Okayu's playing super donkey kong y'all

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Is she sad that her homie is not in the game?
 
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Erika Furudo said:
Ok I know you guys have kinda covered some of these issues, but I want to know your thoughts. I have zero interest in vtubers I just lurked the thread thinking it would be some community watch tier autism. But how do you guys feel about the vtuber industry? Especially in comparison to say, the idol industry? I'm asking because to me, this just seems like an extension of it as the girl is the product. My questions are:

1) Do you think this will end up like the idol industry with lots of cases of abuse in the background? What makes you think it wont go that way?

2) You already talked about one vtuber having a stalker, do you think many of the girls are aware of the crazy they are cultivating? Because idolfans are batshit and the parasocial relationship stuff is another reason I see this as idols 2D edition, and it's a legit danger imo.

3) This is KF, you guys should be familiar with how internet careers end up they either don't last or the individual ends up like DSP, hating their videogame playing life but having no exit. How fucked do you think these girls are in a few years when people look at other trends, and the girls all have a hole in their CV saying "played videogames". Internet streaming careers seem like a special kind of hell that fuck you up long term.

Am I wrong in thinking this will be like idolshit, and fuck up everyone involved while fans continue to support the industry? I don't get the appeal of vtubers, and if you enjoy them, you do you. Your thread seems nice enough but I just don't see it working out, especially as the market reaches oversaturation.
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1) This has already happened (allegedly), although the vtuber industry seems a lot less inclined towards it than the idol industry. I think any entertainment business is susceptible to this exploitation of this kind, tbh.

2) Any online personality with a significant following is going to create a cult of weirdos. Hell, even in the beforetimes, there were fans of things like the Beatles or Star Trek who engaged in some insane antics. I don't think this is a particularly compelling reason to shut down mass-media entertainment though.

3) Most of the Hololive talents have experience in other things before joining and many maintain careers outside of Hololive. I don't think they'll be particularly hard up for work.

Your last part is just navel-gazing. There's no indication that there's imminent oversaturation (in fact, the opposite appears to be the case). But even if that were the case, there's a lot of reasons why we like vtubers outside of it being trendy. Streamers who aren't married to their personal brand are less likely to engage in general asshattery and more likely to be entertaining rather than trying to farm for shekels. This is the key aspect that makes vtubing attractive for people who find conventional streaming trashy and desperate.
 
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I know probably nobody gives a shit, but watching our favorite fox-burger-alien-cat friend excited for Pyra, the new Smash Bros. inclusion, fills me with joy, especially since Xenoblade 2 is great and underappreciated and Nintenkiddies that only play Mario and Animal Crossing are seething about it.


(11:02 if the timestamp doesn't work)

Also, the moment they showed Splatoon 3 on screen, she immediately tried to wake up Mio to tell her about it :story:


(58:15 if the timestamp doesn't work)
 
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