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*Big Feels to you*Jannies remove this if it's off topic, but here's a big powerlevel vent about losing my best friend.
I have read every single fucking page of this thread. Started at page 1, finally ended here. I autistically read through this to try and make sense of what the fuck happened to my best friend. I lost him six months ago. He trooned out, called himself a woman. I was accepting, but it was just too much. This man has been a part of my life for 12 years. His dad took us fishing, my grandad took us camping. He taught me how to drive stickshift and ride motorcycles, he helped me get into shape and drop 30 lbs as a teen. We learned guitar together, we build our first pc's with the help of the other. And yet he fucking trooned out because he "always felt like a woman".
But he's not a woman, we all know that. His dad mourns the loss of his son, his sisters pretend to accept him, but text me often about how weird he is, his mom left their family a few years ago. I can't even hang out with him anymore, nothing we do feels right anymore. Everytime we go out to town, I am always embarassed standing next to a 6'3 man in a skirt. Everyone can tell he doesn't pass, and often times we have to drive home because he felt like people were staring too much. We can't play guitar together anymore, he sees his massive man hands hitting frets that even I struggle to and he just breaks down and cries. Even playing vidya doesn't feel the same anymore, since his sense of humor has changed so much. He went from the most confident bastard I knew to a sensitive little sissy. Constantly needing to be comforted and reaffirmed, and I have lied to him telling him what a beautiful girl he is, but it feels gross doing that. Worst part is that he is a mishmash of feminine and male traits, he is your typical troon, has male hobbies like gaming and tech, for fucks sake he still drives the STI we tuned and help rebuild as teens, has an adams apple that is more pronounced than a snake eating a golf ball, has one of the most defined jawlines I've seen in a guy, and has the genetics to grow a great beard judging by his dad and granddad. He is too masculine to hang out with real women like his sisters and her friends, but too feminine to really hang out with men. He's just alone.
I thought that this thread may help me either cope with it, or even talk him out of de-transitioning, but I just can't. He's already talking about SRS and trying to get appointments for HRT, even though everyone is telling him he's rushing into things way too fast. I can try to talk him out of it, but he'll end up resenting me. Hell he already kind of does, even though I do my best to not deadname him and use proper pronouns, going from knowing someone as him for 12 years is hard to change, I'm even doing it now. But I'm the only one he has left. He has no real close friends besides me, all his work friends distanced themselves from him long ago. I am the last real life friend he has, his discord troon buddies just pink pill him even more. This fucking sucks, I hate trannies for what they did to my lad. I tried guys, I really did. But six months is all I can take really. I don't think I can continue doing this with him anymore. Every time I talk to him about waiting, or perhaps that it is just a phase, he flips his shit and yells at me (yells, not screams, because he's a 6'3 man), and tells me never to talk to him again, only to text me a few days later wanting to go to the bookstore or guitar store. This man used to be the most level headed guy I knew, and would constantly be the one to prevent me from flipping my shit or getting into fights, and now it's like things have changed, he's the hothead and I am the emotionally leveled one. But I'm not emotionally level, I'm just fucking emotionally drained from dealing with his bullshit. I have many friends that are girls, and that shit is tiring. He was supposed to be my retreat from constant whining about shitty bf's or drama, but now he's turned into the main source of drama in my life. I'm too embarrassed to have him at my house anymore, so we just hang in his troon room, full of trans pride shit that is so obnoxious my eyes bleed. How did the man that was the normal one out of the two of us end up making the fucking furry look like the socially well adapted one? I am thankful to whatever cruel god that he isn't a furry (that I am aware of), but knowing his troon buddies that's soon to change.
TLDR I just want my fucking best friend back.
Yeh, Newgent is a little bit deranged, interesting only because of the inside perspective that she offers. Underappreciated at times how crazy a lot of FtMs are. They might not have MtF troons matched for antisocial behavior, but for simple insanity they can match them the whole way.
Hell, I'd say that straight women who troon out late are the craziest troon demographic and comfortably so.
FWIW, I think it doesn't really matter what you do once you've transitioned unless there are obvious objective benefits to detransitioning. So, althought Newgent is definitely nuts, it's probably the correct call to just stick it out anyways since life would probably be more difficult as an obviously masculinized woman. Something similar can be said for Keira Bell still using men's bathrooms. If you don't neurotically obsess about 'gender identity' then just doing whatever is easiest given the world as it exists is the obvious thing to do.
The most common shit I've heard from detrans FTM is that they blame everyone around them for not trying to stop them when they want to troon out. While in reality, a lot of people did try to warn them - and yet they were busy threatening suicide, blackmail, screaming and accusing them of transphobia until people got tired of dealing with them and left them on their own devices to troon out.Most detrans FTMs are nuts, and they don’t realize they still have the same thought patterns, only now applied to being detrans. Also, a complete lack of personal responsibility. If you listened to them you would think every woman who was a lesbian or a sexual assault victim born after 1989 trooned out. This is not true.
They still have the ‘I’m not like other girls’ mentality.
A lot of the 'sane' trannies consistently have that blindspot.
That's a really good idea. Let me dig up an old post that's relevant to this,Peace to you, I can't imagine what that's like. Ultimately in order to help someone they have to want to be helped, if they don't there's not much you can do. Father Brown's strategy is well-reasoned and could help, another thing I'd try is taking him on a trip to the wilderness or somewhere far from home in order to completely change his context. But I don't know how practical it'd be for you to do that.
Basically, fetishistic obsessions often result from people being stuck in a psychological cycle, and taking them away from familiar surroundings and routines can help them break out of that cycle. Especially if he's not talking to his discord friends. I've heard stories of people who started detransitioning during the lockdown because they were no longer going out and being seen and it made them realize their trans self-image was all in their head.
Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.Deep dive into Miss Aborigine Claire G Coleman
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Authentic BLAK Woman!
Claire claims he “identifies” with the South Coast Noongar people, whatever the fuck that means, on his website bio:
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Coleman’s claim rests on his great-great grandmother, an Aborigine woman named Fanny Winnery (aka Binian). Fanny seems to be a hot topic amongst white Western Australian writers. Coleman’s cousins Kim Scott and Sheryl McCorry have each written memoirs that include Fanny’s history. Kim Scott’s book Kayang & Me is about Scott’s attempts to reconnect to his indigenous heritage through an elderly woman who has difficulties getting the family history straight. Scott states his father Tommy is Aborigine. His claim hinges on the same relative as Coleman’s, Fanny Winnery.
Aborigine man Kim Scott:
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Sheryl McCorry has no issues laying it out: that Fanny Winnery was the daughter of an Englishman and an Aborigine woman, making Coleman’s seemingly sole claim to Aboriginal heritage resting not on his great-great grandmother but his great-great-great grandmother:
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Fanny herself married an Englishman named Ben (later John) Mason. Her daughter Harriet married Irishman Daniel Coleman (Harriet’s sister Dinah marrying Coleman’s twin brother Patrick). Irish Daniel and one quarter Aboriginal Harriet’s son Fred is Claire Coleman’s grandfather.
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Authentic BLAK people: Daniel and Harriet Coleman; two of their sons and Claire’s great uncles William and Charles Coleman, brothers to Claire’s grandfather Fred; Claire himself.
Coleman however still insists that he and his family are BLAK:
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Claire’s BLAK dad:
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Claire’s BLAK family:
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An Aborigine woman knows what’s up. Aileen Marwung Walsh calls out both Coleman and his cousin Kim Scott for appropriation, pointing out they’re white guys who’ve used a tenuous claim to indigenous heritage as a means to get published and sell books.
It was Kim’s novel Benang, that Coleman used to “swear in” upon joining some Melbourne literary guild. According to Wiki— in an entry surely written by Kim Scott himself— Benang is “about forced cultural assimilation, and finding how one can return to their own culture.”
It’s not a leap to think Coleman, who has no online presence under his current name before 2016 and admits to being homeless and flunking out of uni, was inspired by his cousin’s LARP to write his own dystopian Aboriginie sci-fi novel, Terra Nullius and sell himself as an Aborigine woman, an identity far more palatable to woke PR departments than a white guy.
Here’s Aileen’s take on Coleman, Kim Scott, and cultural appropriation:
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A third person who also seems knowledgeable about the Coleman line steps in:
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Here Coleman claims that his family “didn’t know” they were Aborigine and admits his mother’s side is white:
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Back to Aileen:
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TL;DR Another white man pulling the increasing common double bill of race/sex LARPing as a brave, strong woman of color.
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“I was called Vegemite!” Not mayo?
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ETA2: additional info added
For the record, both are still living happily as dudes and I haven't heard them talking about dysphoria at all. The gay one has his marriage ready to go as soon as restrictions on gatherings lift where he lives, and the straight one has finally gotten himself a girlfriend (although I'll say she's more of a 5 out of 10 and he could probably do better).
I'm not going to PL further by pointing out who he is, but he was featured in this thread long ago. You know those before-and-after pictures where a handsome guy with a chad jawline turns into an orc in a dress? He was one of those. Since he never managed to get HRT (no money) there weren't any permanent changes to his body. After moving the only job he could get was blue-collar and physically demanding, so he muscled up pretty quickly again.While it’s good that your pals got over their troonism, we really gonna say that the straight one can do better than a 5 out of 10? I wouldn’t wish a lowly 2 or even 1 on an ex-troon — cuz troons, not even once.
This has probably been discussed before within the almost 2000 page backlog of this thread, but it confuses me what exactly non-binary trans people want to accomplish by transitioning, via HRT and otherwise. So you're saying that you don't want to be a woman, but you do want the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, as well as a vagina? Same thing with female non-binaries, some of them will take HRT and grow beards for some reason even though they insist that they don't want to be men. There's this former friend of mine whose twitter feed that I still read, and apparently he identifies as non-binary now and also says he wants to convince his nurse practitioner to start giving him estrogen. And for some reason, Jim Sterling also went on estrogen despite that he identifies as a "non-binary genderfuck" or whatever.
It's possible that many of the big youtubers that exclusively focused on trans issues no longer do so anymore, but I seriously doubt that this means there's a lessening of trans ideology being proliferated on youtube. It's still very much there, as well as on every other mainstream social media platform. Though, maybe you didn't necessarily mean to say that the ideology itself is lessening, just that big trans youtubers aren't as active anymore.The YouTube trannies seem to have calmed down.
Stef Sanjati left YouTube.
Ash Hardell disappeared (possible regrets?)
Chase Ross only does toy reviews
Riley Dennis only does anime reviews
Did I forget any snowflake trannies?
Such a classic example of narcissistic rage. Good luck finding a pro bono lawyer who is willing to help a white tranny sue an aboriginal woman who pointed out he's white.Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.
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Well, at least now I understand what this meansit.... doesn't get much more insane than this
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edit: this is apparently a real problem to these people, i came across another such argument just 5 minutes later.
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Is anyone watching the unfolding situation where a stunning and brave trans woman of color was caught faking being kidnapped and now GoFundMe is refunding thousands to everyone who donated to his cosmetic surgery funds?
So I'm going to try to explain the FtNB standpoint as someone who went there and cringes about it. Of course, this may not actually make sense, because it doesn't and is all just coddled mental illness.This has probably been discussed before within the almost 2000 page backlog of this thread, but it confuses me what exactly non-binary trans people want to accomplish by transitioning, via HRT and otherwise. So you're saying that you don't want to be a woman, but you do want the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, as well as a vagina? Same thing with female non-binaries, some of them will take HRT and grow beards for some reason even though they insist that they don't want to be men. There's this former friend of mine whose twitter feed that I still read, and apparently he identifies as non-binary now and also says he wants to convince his nurse practitioner to start giving him estrogen. And for some reason. Jim Sterling also went on estrogen despite that he identifies as a "non-binary genderfuck" or whatever.
I think the ultimate solution to this is to just stop caring what people call you. As in, people saying that you're a terf but just reacting like "I don't care what you call me, there is no word in existence that you could call me which would automatically invalidate my positions and what I have to say about you". Calling people with views you don't like terfs or transphobes is not an argument. If anything, it just shows that you no other way of defending yourself and your positions besides name-calling.it.... doesn't get much more insane than this
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edit: this is apparently a real problem to these people, i came across another such argument just 5 minutes later.
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She could always protest or sign petitions.Such as? How would she translate her video critiques into action?
She's awkward and a bit funky-looking, so it doesn't look like she's going the lust-provoking thot route.
So her whole fanbase is dudes and you're upset that she's liking comments by... dudes. Dude. Is she pointedly ignoring female commenters? Maybe offer an example comparison of the slighted female comments vs the validated male comments? (I'm sorry that mommy ignored your contributions.)