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Jannies remove this if it's off topic, but here's a big powerlevel vent about losing my best friend.

I have read every single fucking page of this thread. Started at page 1, finally ended here. I autistically read through this to try and make sense of what the fuck happened to my best friend. I lost him six months ago. He trooned out, called himself a woman. I was accepting, but it was just too much. This man has been a part of my life for 12 years. His dad took us fishing, my grandad took us camping. He taught me how to drive stickshift and ride motorcycles, he helped me get into shape and drop 30 lbs as a teen. We learned guitar together, we build our first pc's with the help of the other. And yet he fucking trooned out because he "always felt like a woman".

But he's not a woman, we all know that. His dad mourns the loss of his son, his sisters pretend to accept him, but text me often about how weird he is, his mom left their family a few years ago. I can't even hang out with him anymore, nothing we do feels right anymore. Everytime we go out to town, I am always embarassed standing next to a 6'3 man in a skirt. Everyone can tell he doesn't pass, and often times we have to drive home because he felt like people were staring too much. We can't play guitar together anymore, he sees his massive man hands hitting frets that even I struggle to and he just breaks down and cries. Even playing vidya doesn't feel the same anymore, since his sense of humor has changed so much. He went from the most confident bastard I knew to a sensitive little sissy. Constantly needing to be comforted and reaffirmed, and I have lied to him telling him what a beautiful girl he is, but it feels gross doing that. Worst part is that he is a mishmash of feminine and male traits, he is your typical troon, has male hobbies like gaming and tech, for fucks sake he still drives the STI we tuned and help rebuild as teens, has an adams apple that is more pronounced than a snake eating a golf ball, has one of the most defined jawlines I've seen in a guy, and has the genetics to grow a great beard judging by his dad and granddad. He is too masculine to hang out with real women like his sisters and her friends, but too feminine to really hang out with men. He's just alone.

I thought that this thread may help me either cope with it, or even talk him out of de-transitioning, but I just can't. He's already talking about SRS and trying to get appointments for HRT, even though everyone is telling him he's rushing into things way too fast. I can try to talk him out of it, but he'll end up resenting me. Hell he already kind of does, even though I do my best to not deadname him and use proper pronouns, going from knowing someone as him for 12 years is hard to change, I'm even doing it now. But I'm the only one he has left. He has no real close friends besides me, all his work friends distanced themselves from him long ago. I am the last real life friend he has, his discord troon buddies just pink pill him even more. This fucking sucks, I hate trannies for what they did to my lad. I tried guys, I really did. But six months is all I can take really. I don't think I can continue doing this with him anymore. Every time I talk to him about waiting, or perhaps that it is just a phase, he flips his shit and yells at me (yells, not screams, because he's a 6'3 man), and tells me never to talk to him again, only to text me a few days later wanting to go to the bookstore or guitar store. This man used to be the most level headed guy I knew, and would constantly be the one to prevent me from flipping my shit or getting into fights, and now it's like things have changed, he's the hothead and I am the emotionally leveled one. But I'm not emotionally level, I'm just fucking emotionally drained from dealing with his bullshit. I have many friends that are girls, and that shit is tiring. He was supposed to be my retreat from constant whining about shitty bf's or drama, but now he's turned into the main source of drama in my life. I'm too embarrassed to have him at my house anymore, so we just hang in his troon room, full of trans pride shit that is so obnoxious my eyes bleed. How did the man that was the normal one out of the two of us end up making the fucking furry look like the socially well adapted one? I am thankful to whatever cruel god that he isn't a furry (that I am aware of), but knowing his troon buddies that's soon to change.

TLDR I just want my fucking best friend back.
*Big Feels to you*

I feel like this guy could be a few of the troons I have known. I would encourage you to figure out some boundaries-maybe ways you can still keep in touch and be friends but without the in person hang outs. I am guessing your buddy had some super closeted trans feels. Probably came to a head after talking with these people and seeing the attention they get. I am very sure that he will eventually see the light, especially if he isn't passable. They do tend to keep the people that they were close to however the relationship suffers because of it. It *is* going to be painfully awkward and even more so if you are a regular guy.

Troons I know that come out like this with these interests are usually guys who repress their gender non conforming interests. They think they cant like these things without being a woman. These are the dudes getting trapped by the trans cult. He is soooo like a few troons I have met its uncanny.

Also again if hes 6 months in you're in those first 2 years of this nonsense. Stay strong and don't be afraid to maintain your boundaries.
 
Yeh, Newgent is a little bit deranged, interesting only because of the inside perspective that she offers. Underappreciated at times how crazy a lot of FtMs are. They might not have MtF troons matched for antisocial behavior, but for simple insanity they can match them the whole way.

Hell, I'd say that straight women who troon out late are the craziest troon demographic and comfortably so.

FWIW, I think it doesn't really matter what you do once you've transitioned unless there are obvious objective benefits to detransitioning. So, althought Newgent is definitely nuts, it's probably the correct call to just stick it out anyways since life would probably be more difficult as an obviously masculinized woman. Something similar can be said for Keira Bell still using men's bathrooms. If you don't neurotically obsess about 'gender identity' then just doing whatever is easiest given the world as it exists is the obvious thing to do.

Seeing your post on another thread regarding how would you deal with gender ideology in medical setting, and your answer is that you should just 'play along' just to make things easy. And I agree, it just seems like all we can do to be a decent, respectable person. In public life I need to use preferred pronouns, obviously. I've read that many regretting troons said that they only stick it out because they believe they're too 'far gone' to be seen as original gender anyway, because at the current society, and the way general public view gender, it is an easiest option based on irreversible change.

But it really made me think a lot about human conditions in general.

Though to me, these anecdotes made it clear that, if anything, gender politics are driven on the enforcement of gender norms. I believe that people who transitioned in the first place has a strict view of gender and found it difficult to accept the 'grey area' of non-conformity. Sometimes they believe that detransitioning means they should get cosmetic 'restoration' procedures or believing that they need to look a certain way to be really male/female. This says more about their mental fortitude and coping mechanism to me.

This kind of rigidity can be trauma-related too, and I believe that this is much the cause with Keira Bell where she seem very obviously distressed about gender confusion, drowned with the feeling that she is already 'ruined', and she could not hold any accountability and move on. And her using men's bathroom seem more like a reflection that she does not really believe that she's really female anymore. For people who believed that they can truly change sex, at least once in their life, I wouldn't be surprised that kind of thought process can stick around. This kind of grief can stick around for a long time.
We all create lies to comfort ourselves, and all our social standards are ephemeral yet seem real to us at the same time. Gendered toilets are social construct too. All kind of things... I also experienced identity confusion stemmed from trauma over something currently too, where it feels like 'The whole thing is fake, but I wish there's a concrete explanation to what I really am!'

This shit made me a little im14andthisisdeep. Welp, I'm going too far in this rabbit hole sometimes.

Most detrans FTMs are nuts, and they don’t realize they still have the same thought patterns, only now applied to being detrans. Also, a complete lack of personal responsibility. If you listened to them you would think every woman who was a lesbian or a sexual assault victim born after 1989 trooned out. This is not true.
They still have the ‘I’m not like other girls’ mentality.
The most common shit I've heard from detrans FTM is that they blame everyone around them for not trying to stop them when they want to troon out. While in reality, a lot of people did try to warn them - and yet they were busy threatening suicide, blackmail, screaming and accusing them of transphobia until people got tired of dealing with them and left them on their own devices to troon out.
 
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A lot of the 'sane' trannies consistently have that blindspot.

Tbh, the only sane trannies you will see are the ones who don't try to make themselves known. If someone actually has gender dysphoria, they're going to want to live their lives as the opposite sex from their birth as quietly as possible. Of course, they may not pass, but they're not making a huge deal out of it and so they fly under the radar for the most part.

If being born as the wrong sex gave someone serious gender dysphoria, why would they make that fact the sole facet of their personality? I can't believe anyone would think, "It makes me depressed every day that I was born as the wrong sex, so therefore, I'll plaster the trans flag on everything and never shut up about how I'm trans, therefore highlighting the fact that I was born as the wrong sex." It literally makes no sense at all. But it would make sense when you realize these are predatory people who found the latest politically correct shield for their bad behavior. If trans-racial ever became acceptable, you bet they'd be wearing blackface and doorags in 24 hours or less.

I don't think that all trans people are like this, but AGP's are so hypermasculine that they can't stop trying to be the loudest voice in the room. So there's a little bit of a selection bias here.
 
Jesus Christ, his thread moves quick.

Peace to you, I can't imagine what that's like. Ultimately in order to help someone they have to want to be helped, if they don't there's not much you can do. Father Brown's strategy is well-reasoned and could help, another thing I'd try is taking him on a trip to the wilderness or somewhere far from home in order to completely change his context. But I don't know how practical it'd be for you to do that.

Basically, fetishistic obsessions often result from people being stuck in a psychological cycle, and taking them away from familiar surroundings and routines can help them break out of that cycle. Especially if he's not talking to his discord friends. I've heard stories of people who started detransitioning during the lockdown because they were no longer going out and being seen and it made them realize their trans self-image was all in their head.
That's a really good idea. Let me dig up an old post that's relevant to this,

In the past three years [four now] I met two guys (one online, one personally) who were in the throes of troondom while living with their neglectful parents. After moving far away from their families and starting new lives in different states, both had issues finding troon-friendly places to live (apparently moving into a fully transgender house is pretty common?) and so they had to go back to living and working as men while they tried to make contact with the local LGBT support networks. Both were so busy with work they didn't have the time or willpower to immerse themselves in social media for their daily dose of troon validation either.​
So, what happened? Both cut their hair short and detransitioned within six months. I heard the same story from both as well: without the tension from their shitty lives at their parents' places, and without people constantly telling them they were indeed pretty, pretty princesses, they gained confidence in themselves and the dysphoria very quickly became much more manageable. Last I checked one has a (male) fiancée, and the other is having a lot more success looking for dates than he did back when he was trying to pick up lesbians. Both still say they feel a bit of dysphoria every now and then, but nothing anywhere near as gut-wrenchingly crippling as it was when they were approaching peak troon.​
The moral of the story is: a healthy environment does wonders to foster a healthy mind. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and like many other mental illnesses it can be at least partially relieved by improving one's living situation. But God forbid most of the troons we see linked here do anything to improve their lives. Much easier to whine on twitter and beg for donations in their AD account.​
For the record, both are still living happily as dudes and I haven't heard them talking about dysphoria at all. The gay one has his marriage ready to go as soon as restrictions on gatherings lift where he lives, and the straight one has finally gotten himself a girlfriend (although I'll say she's more of a 5 out of 10 and he could probably do better).
 
Deep dive into Miss Aborigine Claire G Coleman

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Authentic BLAK Woman!

Claire claims he “identifies” with the South Coast Noongar people, whatever the fuck that means, on his website bio:
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Coleman’s claim rests on his great-great grandmother, an Aborigine woman named Fanny Winnery (aka Binian). Fanny seems to be a hot topic amongst white Western Australian writers. Coleman’s cousins Kim Scott and Sheryl McCorry have each written memoirs that include Fanny’s history. Kim Scott’s book Kayang & Me is about Scott’s attempts to reconnect to his indigenous heritage through an elderly woman who has difficulties getting the family history straight. Scott states his father Tommy is Aborigine. His claim hinges on the same relative as Coleman’s, Fanny Winnery.

Aborigine man Kim Scott:
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Sheryl McCorry has no issues laying it out: that Fanny Winnery was the daughter of an Englishman and an Aborigine woman, making Coleman’s seemingly sole claim to Aboriginal heritage resting not on his great-great grandmother but his great-great-great grandmother:
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Fanny herself married an Englishman named Ben (later John) Mason. Her daughter Harriet married Irishman Daniel Coleman (Harriet’s sister Dinah marrying Coleman’s twin brother Patrick). Irish Daniel and one quarter Aboriginal Harriet’s son Fred is Claire Coleman’s grandfather.
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Authentic BLAK people: Daniel and Harriet Coleman; two of their sons and Claire’s great uncles William and Charles Coleman, brothers to Claire’s grandfather Fred; Claire himself.

Coleman however still insists that he and his family are BLAK:
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Claire’s BLAK dad:
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Claire’s BLAK family:
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An Aborigine woman knows what’s up. Aileen Marwung Walsh calls out both Coleman and his cousin Kim Scott for appropriation, pointing out they’re white guys who’ve used a tenuous claim to indigenous heritage as a means to get published and sell books.

It was Kim’s novel Benang, that Coleman used to “swear in” upon joining some Melbourne literary guild. According to Wiki— in an entry surely written by Kim Scott himself— Benang is “about forced cultural assimilation, and finding how one can return to their own culture.” :story:

It’s not a leap to think Coleman, who has no online presence under his current name before 2016 and admits to being homeless and flunking out of uni, was inspired by his cousin’s LARP to write his own dystopian Aboriginie sci-fi novel, Terra Nullius and sell himself as an Aborigine woman, an identity far more palatable to woke PR departments than a white guy.

Here’s Aileen’s take on Coleman, Kim Scott, and cultural appropriation:
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A third person who also seems knowledgeable about the Coleman line steps in:
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Here Coleman claims that his family “didn’t know” they were Aborigine and admits his mother’s side is white:
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TL;DR Another white man pulling the increasing common double bill of race/sex LARPing as a brave, strong woman of color.

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“I was called Vegemite!” Not mayo?
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ETA2: additional info added
Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.
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For the record, both are still living happily as dudes and I haven't heard them talking about dysphoria at all. The gay one has his marriage ready to go as soon as restrictions on gatherings lift where he lives, and the straight one has finally gotten himself a girlfriend (although I'll say she's more of a 5 out of 10 and he could probably do better).

While it’s good that your pals got over their troonism, we really gonna say that the straight one can do better than a 5 out of 10? I wouldn’t wish a lowly 2 or even 1 on an ex-troon — cuz troons, not even once.
 
While it’s good that your pals got over their troonism, we really gonna say that the straight one can do better than a 5 out of 10? I wouldn’t wish a lowly 2 or even 1 on an ex-troon — cuz troons, not even once.
I'm not going to PL further by pointing out who he is, but he was featured in this thread long ago. You know those before-and-after pictures where a handsome guy with a chad jawline turns into an orc in a dress? He was one of those. Since he never managed to get HRT (no money) there weren't any permanent changes to his body. After moving the only job he could get was blue-collar and physically demanding, so he muscled up pretty quickly again.

So I'd say he could get himself a 7. Anything higher than that, where he lives, would likely be sticking his dick in crazy. The gay guy, on the other hand, ended up with some moobs he has to take care of. But he's fat, so they're not too obvious.
 
This has probably been discussed before within the almost 2000 page backlog of this thread, but it confuses me what exactly non-binary trans people want to accomplish by transitioning, via HRT and otherwise. So you're saying that you don't want to be a woman, but you do want the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, as well as a vagina? Same thing with female non-binaries, some of them will take HRT and grow beards for some reason even though they insist that they don't want to be men. There's this former friend of mine whose twitter feed that I still read, and apparently he identifies as non-binary now and also says he wants to convince his nurse practitioner to start giving him estrogen. And for some reason, Jim Sterling also went on estrogen despite that he identifies as a "non-binary genderfuck" or whatever.

I guess the "explanation" here is the assertion that genitalia and secondary sex characteristics have nothing to do with gender, but if that were true then why do they feel the need to alter them? Isn't that kind of self-defeating?
The YouTube trannies seem to have calmed down.
Stef Sanjati left YouTube.
Ash Hardell disappeared (possible regrets?)
Chase Ross only does toy reviews
Riley Dennis only does anime reviews
Did I forget any snowflake trannies?
It's possible that many of the big youtubers that exclusively focused on trans issues no longer do so anymore, but I seriously doubt that this means there's a lessening of trans ideology being proliferated on youtube. It's still very much there, as well as on every other mainstream social media platform. Though, maybe you didn't necessarily mean to say that the ideology itself is lessening, just that big trans youtubers aren't as active anymore.
 
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Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.
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Such a classic example of narcissistic rage. Good luck finding a pro bono lawyer who is willing to help a white tranny sue an aboriginal woman who pointed out he's white.
 
Here's the info I have so far on the scam fiasco. Even tranny stans are accepting the whole thing was a scam, but still not ready to admit that this is typical tranny behavior. The difference is that other trannies can usually get away with grifting. Sai's mistake was trying to scheme something as grand as a kidnapping ransom without enough brains to pull it off.

Archive of Twitter thread where a friend of Sai announces the "kidnapping" (original tweets were deleted)

Alleged text screenshot where friends of Sai seem to know its a scam and don't want involvement. | (archive)
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Some screenshots of Sai's previous GoFundMe campaigns. | (archive)

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Recording from acquaintances explaining the situation from their POV | (archive)

A written compilation of events prior to 1 PM EST 17 Feb 2021 pertaining to the "kidnapping"
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Actual GoFundMe pages that I can find: (Not finding much so far, GFM may have removed them)

Help Sai Start Their New Life | (archive)

Help a Black trans woman FFS, SRS, & survival | (archive)
 
This has probably been discussed before within the almost 2000 page backlog of this thread, but it confuses me what exactly non-binary trans people want to accomplish by transitioning, via HRT and otherwise. So you're saying that you don't want to be a woman, but you do want the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, as well as a vagina? Same thing with female non-binaries, some of them will take HRT and grow beards for some reason even though they insist that they don't want to be men. There's this former friend of mine whose twitter feed that I still read, and apparently he identifies as non-binary now and also says he wants to convince his nurse practitioner to start giving him estrogen. And for some reason. Jim Sterling also went on estrogen despite that he identifies as a "non-binary genderfuck" or whatever.
So I'm going to try to explain the FtNB standpoint as someone who went there and cringes about it. Of course, this may not actually make sense, because it doesn't and is all just coddled mental illness.
The women who identify as nonbinary (and not the trendy ones) usually start with some sort of dysphoria (compared to the men who just want to wear makeup and harass lesbians, or use it as a midpoint before going full Mtf). It's almost always about their breasts, sometimes about being uncomfortable about gender roles.

Then, after you decide you're trans, you kinda have to make a decision - am I a trans man, or am I nonbinary? The big distinction is that almost always, there's no bottom dysphoria for the nonbinary ones, while there is for the FtMs. That's basically the difference.

But then, because you're so focused on your dysphoria (being trans is a 24/7 deal), even if you hide your breasts, you still don't feel as "correct" as you were told you should, and people still recognize you as a woman (which then means they know that you have women parts, and that's embarrassing and gross). And then you start thinking about all the other ways you're a woman. Maybe you start getting super self conscious about having a soprano voice that everyone will immediately recognize as a woman's voice, and then they'll KNOW that you have breasts and are a woman. Or maybe you want to grow a beard because then, nobody will ever suspect that you have woman parts. So then, testosterone time.

Really, it's mostly just about feeling ashamed of being a woman. Internalized misogyny, sexualization, or mental illness, or whatever, that's what it all boils down to. If people started saying that it's okay to be a woman and hate your boobs, then probably half of the nonbinaries would ditch.

(this is discounting the weird ones who do hrt so they can have a beard AND dress like a stripper. That's basically just a dangerous "fuck you mom" nose ring.)

Also, women detransitioners usually blame others because they've completely ruined their lives and everyone knows it. Men can go off estrogen and everything's fine, maybe some moobs that they can hide easily, but women will need to do substantial hair removal for a long time afterwards, plus their voices are shot. I usually see women lamenting their singing voices. It's a really big pill to swallow, knowing that everybody knows how much you fucked up. Plus, the trans community is a cult that will bribe you in, so in some ways they're not really wrong: they were, in some sense, manipulated into doing it. Of course, it was ultimately their decision, but when you're young and everyone you know is telling you that you'll kill yourself without testosterone, you start to believe them. Also, women detransitioners tend to get death threats from the trans community, so it's easy to see where malice towards them comes from.

And, it's very hard to get therapy to try to overcome dysphoria. Most therapists just send you straight back to a gender clinic, and I think it might even be illegal in some states for a therapist to try to help. So the issues persist.

Like I said, this may not have made any sense, but I'm also trying to explain a mental illness. I consider dysphoria a version of OCD in some ways - how would you logically explain, "I have to touch this doorknob five times or my family will die"?
 
it.... doesn't get much more insane than this

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edit: this is apparently a real problem to these people, i came across another such argument just 5 minutes later.
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I think the ultimate solution to this is to just stop caring what people call you. As in, people saying that you're a terf but just reacting like "I don't care what you call me, there is no word in existence that you could call me which would automatically invalidate my positions and what I have to say about you". Calling people with views you don't like terfs or transphobes is not an argument. If anything, it just shows that you no other way of defending yourself and your positions besides name-calling.
 
Such as? How would she translate her video critiques into action?


She's awkward and a bit funky-looking, so it doesn't look like she's going the lust-provoking thot route.


So her whole fanbase is dudes and you're upset that she's liking comments by... dudes. Dude. Is she pointedly ignoring female commenters? Maybe offer an example comparison of the slighted female comments vs the validated male comments? (I'm sorry that mommy ignored your contributions.)
She could always protest or sign petitions.
 
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