Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[SaidNoOneEver]

He is not stupid after this "TEACHING MOMENT" that is happening to him right now.

What is this teaching him about writing a story, getting a book printed, running a successful campaign, etc? Have you ever seen him on stream with Liam? Again, no offense to the man but he doesn't come off as capable to do it all by himself yet.

Plenty of "smart" people have failed first campaigns.

 

[FROG]

Hint: Manga Cyberfrog trading card. Thank me later.

That's easy.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

What is this teaching him about writing a story, getting a book printed, running a successful campaign, etc? Have you ever seen him on stream with Liam? Again, no offense to the man but he doesn't come off as capable to do it all by himself yet.

Plenty of "smart" people have failed first campaigns.

It was a joke that you don't understand.

OZ has "TEACHING MOMENTS" for people on his channel.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

That's easy.

So the evil Japanese somehow get a drop of CF's blood and create an evil clone. UltraFrog.

(damn this comic shit is easy after all)

 

[Mister Dongs]

Top winners from the Xenotype project

1. Duty office of THE CROWN ($27-29000 for shipping 800 individual parcels from Australia)
2. Scotsman (projected $16K-20K for charging below-avg to standard page rate for coloring 200 page)
3. Printers ($10,000 for bulk prining of 2000 copies of a 200 pg book, ref. PrinterNinja.com rates)
4. Liam or Ody (60/40 of remainder: "even the "reasonable" maximum cut is only ~$12,000, Ody says he received 7300). Liam of course could have added expenses.
5. Ody or Liam. ($4866 USD would be Liam's take given the 60/40 at face value)

Unaccounted for: ~$10000

Hail Scotsman

 

[FROG]

Top winners from the Xenotype project

1. Duty office of THE CROWN ($27-29000 for shipping 800 individual parcels from Australia)
2. Scotsman (projected $16K-20K for charging below-avg to standard page rate for coloring 200 page)
3. Printers ($10,000 for bulk prining of 2000 pages going off PrinterNinja.com rates)
4. Liam or Ody (60/40 of remainder: "even the "reasonable" maximum cut is only ~$12,000, Ody says he received 7300). Liam of course could have added expenses.
5. Ody or Liam. ($4866 USD would be Liam's take given the 60/40 take at face value)

Unaccounted for: ~$10000

Hail Scotsman
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That's pretty funny. No offense to Scotsman, but the book would have been a thousand times better in black and white.

And more profitable, I guess.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Is he really mature enough to craft a whole story though? Not to mention run/fulfill a campaign. From Greece? That seems very high-risk to me. Not meant to be a criticism.

I would suggest being an artist-for-hire until he grows a bit. His drawing skills are proven. He'd probably make more money too. After this fiasco to fail at his first solo campaign would be tragic.

If Gat Hanzo, Micah Curtis, Adam Friended, Adam Post, Liam Gray, Preston Poulter, Nasser Rabadi and even Matthew Wenger can all do it, then I don't see why Ody can't - especially with Ody being actually able to draw a comic, which none of the aforementioned even can. (Wenger thinks he can but he's mistaken.)

The thing is, I don't know why Ody ever bothered with Comicsgate or Liam's madcap schemes, since his thing is pure manga, not western comics. There's way more opportunities for him down that manga/anime route. And there's not much reason he can't still do it, surely nobody in Japan either knows or cares what CG is.

 

[Rupin]

If Gat Hanzo, Micah Curtis, Adam Friended, Adam Post, Liam Gray, Preston Poulter, Nasser Rabadi and even Matthew Wenger can all do it, then I don't see why Ody can't - especially with Ody being actually able to draw a comic, which none of the aforementioned even can. (Wenger thinks he can but he's mistaken.)

The thing is, I don't know why Ody ever bothered with Comicsgate or Liam's madcap schemes, since his thing is pure manga, not western comics. There's way more opportunities for him down that manga/anime route. And there's not much reason he can't still do it, surely nobody in Japan either knows or cares what CG is.

Ody can go independent and be very successful. i think he can shake off the CG stigma pretty easily since he is really not that well known even in the CG circle. I know plenty of writers who would love an artist like him to make their stories come to life.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

1. Duty office of THE CROWN ($27-29000 for shipping 800 individual parcels from Australia)

Holy fuck. If that isn't an argument for going digital I dunno what one would be.

5. Ody or Liam. ($4866 USD would be Liam's take given the 60/40 at face value)

I vaguely remember seeing something about Ody being forced to join the Greek army for a year or two since he couldn't prove he was earning a living via his art, due to the fact that Liam wasn't paying him. Assuming I'm remembering this correctly, I guess at least that didn't come to pass. Maybe that counts as a win?

Edit: Off-topic.

Spoiler: off-topic

This is not #ComicsGate, at least not directly, though it amused me. Our own @TheCosmicWarrior got into a twitter slap fight, one he apparently instigated, where he got so butt-hurt it ended with him blocking author NY Times best-selling author Larry Correia.

https://twitter.com/jondelarroz/status/1362233264115621889

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Unaccounted for: ~$10000

"Xenotype expenses" (i.e. Liam's expenses). All those modems and routers the Chinese hacked, etc.

1. Duty office of THE CROWN ($27-29000 for shipping 800 individual parcels from Australia)​

Malin's fulfillment service runs $10/book and includes gemini mailer and postage. So $8k instead of $27k-$29k plus his supplies/postage..

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Is he really mature enough to craft a whole story though? Not to mention run/fulfill a campaign. From Greece? That seems very high-risk to me. Not meant to be a criticism.

I would suggest being an artist-for-hire until he grows a bit. His drawing skills are proven. He'd probably make more money too. After this fiasco to fail at his first solo campaign would be tragic.

Someone on my stream suggested I work with him.... Maybe I should. That way his next book will have a great story and fulfill on time!

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

he's young and hungry and has a bright future if he's guided right.

And would comicsgate be the right direction to guide him? It sounds like he's had his fill of being exploited by broken spergs, for now.

Mind you, I'm at a loss to say where he could go where he wouldn't be leeched off by broken spergs.

The thing is, I don't know why Ody ever bothered with Comicsgate or Liam's madcap schemes, since his thing is pure manga, not western comics.

I don't think it really matters how pointy your overpowered heros nose is when they punch the bad guys.

There's way more opportunities for him down that manga/anime route. And there's not much reason he can't still do it, surely nobody in Japan either knows or cares what CG is.

How many gaijin get work as mangaka in oh-so multicultural Japan? Japanese manga's overstuffed with people trying to get enough eyes on their shitty self-written comics every week so the publishers won't can them. I can't think that a guy who lives on the other side of the world, has never written anything, and, I assume, doesn't speak the language is going to do a much better job of breaking in. Especially if his motivation is something as exceptional as running and hiding from western comic fans who've never heard of him.
Whereas the american comic market has withered so much, and there are so many weebs besides, clamoring for those pointy noses, Ody could make a bigger splash in that smaller pond. Even with the faint and fading? comicsgate brand on his forehead.

 

[Mister Dongs]

"Xenotype expenses" (i.e. Liam's expenses). All those modems and routers the Chinese hacked, etc.

Point being, even if that money wasn't touched and the remainder was split 60/40, Ody would have received $12300 as a maximum payout for 2 years work. $78340 makes Xenotype appear as a large CG campaign until you realize 25-30,000 of that total goes right to shipping fees.

 

[A nameless trool]

Wow, newfound respect for Ody today.

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Ody has been especially loyal to Liam these past few years, defending him against all the people who warned him this would happen.

Dropping out of college also likely removed his exemption from compulsory military service but I'm not positive how it works in Greece or wherever he is. It does appear that stint grew him a pair though so not a complete loss.

I asked somebody I know from Greece. Pretty much if you go to uni you get exempt from military service for some years.
Also asked them if they know of him. Turns out Ody seems to have no ties to the local scene (follows none of them on social media and the person I asked does not know them) and that there is a good chance his family is loaded, because of the place he lives in.

And, if I understand correctly, retard Liam printed right-to-left pages like in a western book. I would be pissed too.
But the reason he made so little money can be attributed to how far both of them are and the shipping costs. He could do better with any youtuber with over 100K subs.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

How many gaijin get work as mangaka in oh-so multicultural Japan? Japanese manga's overstuffed with people trying to get enough eyes on their shitty self-written comics every week so the publishers won't can them. I can't think that a guy who lives on the other side of the world, has never written anything, and, I assume, doesn't speak the language is going to do a much better job of breaking in. Especially if his motivation is something as exceptional as running and hiding from western comic fans who've never heard of him.
Whereas the american comic market has withered so much, and there are so many weebs besides, clamoring for those pointy noses, Ody could make a bigger splash in that smaller pond. Even with the faint and fading? comicsgate brand on his forehead.

I have to disagree with you here.
It's not impossible to work as a mangaka in Japan.
The best known for most is Boichi(South Korean) who has written and drawn Sun-Ken Rock or is nowadays famous for his work on Dr.Stone.

There are also smaller niche Mangakas like Carolin Eckhardt (German)

Also manga is so popular in the west, way more than comics in fact,
that you could easily just stay in your country and produce it here with a publisher of your choice.
Without power leveling too much I met quite a few people who draw manga and publish it here in Germany.
Many people also sell them during anime convention.

Here are two example:
Tamasaburo(Kim Liersch) with "Das Liberi-Projekt", 3 volumes published via Carlsen.

Focus 10 by Martina Peters also published by Carlsen.

Ody definitely doesn't need Liam to have any success in the manga field, be it in Japan or Europe(Or US), he's actually holding him back.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Point being, even if that money wasn't touched and the remainder was split 60/40, Ody would have received $12300 as a maximum payout for 2 years work. $78340 makes Xenotype appear as a large CG campaign until you realize 25-30,000 of that total goes right to shipping fees.

I think the issue is the book length. I don't see how it's possible to pay an artist the equivalent standard page rate on a profit-share agreement for a 200-page book as opposed to the usual 48-page book.

Would Ody have a valid complaint if Xenotype were only 48-pages?

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

I think the issue is the book length. I don't see how it's possible to pay an artist the equivalent standard page rate on a profit-share agreement for a 200-page book as opposed to the usual 48-page book.

Would Ody have a valid complaint if Xenotype were only 48-pages?

just let this Liam / Ody drama simmer. #WASCAMPAIGN is going to try to run interference to distract people from Liam's very obvious fuck up and has no one to blame but himself.

#LETitHAPPEN

I am not meaning the double post but, I just saw this on twitter. The Liam / Ody thing just got worse.

Here is the original tweet: https://twitter.com/YourNerdWonder/status/1363185282208653315

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I am not meaning the double post but, I just saw this on twitter. The Liam / Ody thing just got worse.

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Here is the original tweet: https://twitter.com/YourNerdWonder/status/1363185282208653315

Jesus.

 

[sKr0n]

I am not meaning the double post but, I just saw this on twitter. The Liam / Ody thing just got worse.

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Here is the original tweet: https://twitter.com/YourNerdWonder/status/1363185282208653315

What I said in Liam's thread

What a socially malformed creep, not a surprise though as its clear as day what kind of "man" Liam is. It will never stop baffling me who CG props up, such clear manchild with no creativity who leeches from people with actual talent. The fact that as soon as he had some sort of clout he hired a woman and then aggressively whined/hit on her and kept escalating after being told no five times and then firing her in a spout of rage is just wow

Frankly I wonder what kind of messages he has been sending Manga-chan and others.

I think it's funny that this is just coming out now, you would think that a movement based on integrity and fighting against the corrupt industry politics by setting a better example, would be outraged by this sex for work play that sounds like it could come out of DC or Marvel's Bullpen, and would be snuffed out right away rather than hidden away for a year so Liam could continue to act shady with creative partners.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

What I said in Liam's thread


I think it's funny that this is just coming out now, you would think that a movement based on integrity and fighting against the corrupt industry politics by setting a better example, would be outraged by this sex for work play that sounds like it could come out of DC or Marvel's Bullpen, and would be snuffed out right away rather than hidden away for a year so Liam could continue to act shady with creative partners.

ummm.... this is just the start.