Science Why You Should Still Wear A Mask And Avoid Crowds After Getting The COVID-19 Vaccine - Two weeks to flatten the curve!

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It may seem counterintuitive, but health officials say that even after you get vaccinated against COVID-19, you still need to practice the usual pandemic precautions, at least for a while. That means steering clear of crowds, continuing to wear a good mask in public, maintaining 6 feet or more of distance from people outside your household and frequently washing your hands. We talked to infectious disease specialists to get a better understanding of why.


Why do I have to continue with precautions after I've been vaccinated?


In the short run, it will take some time for the vaccine's effectiveness to build up. (Effectiveness is defined as not getting sick with COVID-19. If 100 vaccinated people are exposed to a virus and 50 of them subsequently develop symptoms, that vaccine is 50% effective.)


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With the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, a study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in December found that protection doesn't start until 12 days after the first shot and that it reaches 52% effectiveness a few weeks later. A week after the second vaccination, the effectiveness rate hits 95%. In its application for authorization, Moderna reported a protection rate of 51% two weeks after the first immunization and 94% two weeks after the second dose.


"That's not 100%," notes Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist and director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, as well as a member of the Food and Drug Administration's vaccine advisory board. "That means one out of every 20 people who get this vaccine could still get moderate to severe infection."



So, reason No. 1 to continue with precautions is to protect yourself.


Can I spread the virus to others even if I'm fully vaccinated?


This is an important question, but scientists studying the shots' effectiveness don't have an answer yet. And for public health experts, that lack of knowledge means you should act like the answer is yes.


Here's why: Before approving the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, the FDA asked the vaccine manufacturers only whether their products protect people from COVID-19 symptoms. They didn't ask if the vaccines stop people who've been vaccinated from nevertheless spreading the virus to others. The emergency authorizations by the FDA that have allowed distribution of the two new vaccines cite only their ability to keep you — the person vaccinated — from becoming severely sick with COVID-19.


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In the words of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide before deciding to change recommendations on steps everyone should take to slow the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19."


The data to answer the question of whether vaccinated people can still spread the virus are just now being collected.


How can you spread a virus if you've been vaccinated?


All the COVID-19 vaccines and vaccine candidates under consideration for use in the U.S. rely on bits of genetic material or virus protein — not anything that could grow into an active SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes the disease COVID-19.




The concern instead with the COVID-19 vaccine is about whether you might still have an asymptomatic infection despite immunization — without symptoms, but able to shed virus.


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Here's how that might work: Let's say you've been vaccinated and you encounter SARS-CoV-2. You're much less likely to develop symptoms — that's clear. But your immune system may not fight off the virus completely — it might allow some viruses to survive and reproduce and get expelled from your nose or mouth in a breath, cough or sneeze. Remember: No one can be sure yet if this actually happens or if it happens often enough that you'd be emitting enough active virus to sicken someone else.


Why didn't the FDA demand information on infectivity before authorizing the first two vaccines?


In a word, time. Dr. Larry Corey is a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle and helps lead the COVID-19 Prevention Network, a federally funded consortium of vaccine experts who've been testing vaccines. "We wanted to get an answer quickly," Corey says, and to do so required as simple an experimental protocol as possible. "You can't hang a lot of bells and whistles on a trial," he says.


Even though the pre-authorization studies of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were as streamlined as possible, they still required quite a lot of work. Each of the 75,000 volunteers had to come into a clinic; get a test for the coronavirus; get either a vaccine or a placebo shot (without knowing which they'd received); return for a second shot; and come back to the clinic for testing anytime in the interim if they showed any symptoms of having caught the virus.


Adding in even more coronavirus tests along the way to see if the vaccinated volunteers had picked up or were transmitting the virus would have delayed the initial results considerably, Corey says. And in the midst of the pandemic, speed was of the essence.


So how will we get an answer to whether vaccinated people can infect others?


Researchers are checking now on the folks vaccinated in the Pfizer and Moderna trials for antibodies showing that they've been infected. It's not a perfect measure, Corey notes, because the antibody tests aren't always accurate and antibodies can be transient. Moderna officials have hinted that their vaccine prevents some shedding, but they haven't been specific on how much. Some people who volunteered for the vaccine studies will be checked for evidence of the virus itself.


If someone is found to be shedding the virus, then researchers will check to see if that virus is capable of reproducing itself and, if it is, whether there's enough to infect other people. That raises another unknown: It's not yet clear what an infectious dose would be.


Nailing down the answers to all these questions is a laborious process. And no one is saying yet how soon the results of these sorts of studies of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines will be available.


There are other ways to get at the answer. The COVID-19 Prevention Network has proposed an experimental study that would involve vaccinating more than 20,000 college students with Moderna's vaccine, checking them multiple times per week for virus shedding and doing contact tracing when infections occurred. The trial, which would cost several hundred million dollars, has so far been turned down by federal funders.


There are other candidate COVID-19 vaccines in the pipeline, and tests will need to be done on them as well. Volunteers in an experimental trial of the AstraZeneca vaccine tested themselves for the virus. The results so far, posted Dec. 8 in The Lancet, suggest that the candidate vaccine may partly, but not totally, protect against viral shedding. In a commentary posted the same day in The Lancet, researchers from Johns Hopkins University said that the observation provides some hope that the vaccine stops some asymptomatic shedding but that the evidence gathered so far is too slight to be considered conclusive.


Maybe one of the vaccines that are in the pipeline would be a better idea?


If your turn for vaccination comes, there's no reason to wait. While vaccines currently being tested are different in design from the Pfizer and Moderna products, scientists say there's no biological reason to think those vaccines will be more or less protective against shedding.


Now that I'm vaccinated, can I take my mask off in a crowded room if everyone else has also been vaccinated?


You might think you're home free in that case, but not yet. Remember that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not 100% effective, and many in the research community still advise caution. Once most people are protected and there's less virus circulating in the air — and less circulating in the community — the advice and restrictions on this may ease up a bit. One vision of the new normal, whether that's later in 2021 or even 2022, is an eventual relaxation of the recommendations, with occasional renewals when the virus flares up in a community.


What about the new variant from the U.K.? Will that make a difference in terms of spreading the virus after vaccination?


The newly identified variant, B.1.1.7, hasn't been around long enough to say for certain that the new vaccines are effective against it, but scientists aren't too worried about that — lab studies suggest the vaccines will be protective against this strain.


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However, infectious disease specialists are concerned that any strain that is more contagious — which B.1.1.7 clearly is — might quickly increase the number of COVID-19 cases in the world.


"It appears that the people infected with this new variant, at least in the U.K., have an increased amount of virus," says Dr. David Heymann of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. "The hypothesis is they could spread it more easily from their nasal passages. Whether there is actually an increased risk of transmitting the virus is currently being studied."


If the new variant increases the risk of shedding or just provides more chances for it to happen, increased masking and distancing, crowd avoidance and hand-washing will help stop the spread.


So what's the bottom line?


With cases and deaths surging throughout the U.S., the people who are treating COVID-19 patients really want you to continue to wear a mask, keep your distance and wash your hands, even if you've been vaccinated, until the research on shedding has yielded some answers. Dr. Carlos del Rio of Emory University says he knows taking precautions can be taxing, but he urges us all to hang on and keep it up.


"It's not like you'll need to wear a mask for the rest of your life," he says. "You need to wear your mask until we have the data, and we're trying to get the answers as fast as we can."
 
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What? Viruses don't differentiate. Please provide proof of these claims.
There's no evidence that this spread the coof according to Flip Floppin' Facui

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"It's not like you'll need to wear a mask for the rest of your life," he says. "You need to wear your mask until we have the data, and we're trying to get the answers as fast as we can."
Then why the FUCK are you dipshits pushing out not one, but TWO vaccines onto the general public? Where's the data and facts for that bullshit? Oh wait, you're telling me I just need to shut up, wear my mask(s), and take the vaccines because the world says covid is the next Anti-Christ? Well fuck me then! 🐑🐑🐑
 
Good news. The antibodies the vaccine produces only last around 3 to 6 months before the levels maintained in your body drop dramatically by as much as 90%, and the most effected are the most ederly.
Also scientists have no idea if the vaccine causes your body to produce marker cells that will "remember" the virus so that your body can reproduce the correct antibodies quickly if it encounters the virus again, but Dr Fauci is "hopeful" that it will.
 
Anyone hopeful that things will go back to normal in the next 6 years is delusional.
If they could have it their way, they'll keep this up until you no longer remember what it felt like to go outside freely. And even then, it doesn't matter if you 25+yo's never submit, but if the generation that succeeds them submits. Little Timmy who was 10 when the lockdown started will probably feel weird and unprotected in 2027 if he doesn't have his masks and in crowds.

Of course, we can't keep raising debt and handing out worthless paper money worldwide, something's gotta give.
My money is people will stop caring and risk the coof. Landlords will eventually need their rent money and people have to work. The gov't will never accept you don't pay taxes so when they see people no longer caring they'll just magically announce that covid was cured and that we all magically developed antibodies at one point.

Alternatively, if Joe's approval starts getting so low that even rigged polls and MSNBC can't spin it, the coof gets instantly slain and they'll try again whenever the next GOP president comes around.
 
Good news. The antibodies the vaccine produces only last around 3 to 6 months before the levels maintained in your body drop dramatically by as much as 90%, and the most effected are the most ederly.
Also scientists have no idea if the vaccine causes your body to produce marker cells that will "remember" the virus so that your body can reproduce the correct antibodies quickly if it encounters the virus again, but Dr Fauci is "hopeful" that it will.
My favorite detail of this timeline is this:
Both the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines require two shots: a priming dose, followed by a booster shot. The interval between Moderna doses is 28 days; for the Pfizer vaccine, it’s 21 days.
So We're talking about 1 month gap before the vaccine is effective, and at best a 6 month period of supposed protection, but as little as 3.

So for a year of 12 months, that's potentially a 3 vaccine year, and 3 of those months are between doses, assuming no that there is no delay between previous vaccine wearing off and new vaccine being given (which is literally impossible based on what I'm seeing of distribution)...gosh this is all starting to add up isn't it. 🤔
 
So for a year of 12 months, that's potentially a 3 vaccine year, and 3 of those months are between doses, assuming no that there is no delay between previous vaccine wearing off and new vaccine being given (which is literally impossible based on what I'm seeing of distribution)...gosh this is all starting to add up isn't it. 🤔
Why are all the anti-vaxxers shocked that it requires multiple doses. A lot of vaccines need booster shots.
 
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Thats why almost everytime that we see a recording of that, the syringes are either empty or with sugar water?
Do you expect the vaccine to have some specific colour? How can you prove it's sugar water, in a situation outside of a medicinal trial? Having gone in for vaccinations several times before travelling abroad, I can attest that the majority of the jabs you get are colourless.

Why are all the anti-vaxxers shocked that it requires multiple doses. A lot of vaccines need booster shots.
Even Rabies does, albeit in a much shorter timeframe so that your nervous system doesn't get fried.
 
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Why are all the anti-vaxxers shocked that it requires multiple doses. A lot of vaccines need booster shots.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but telling people "oh by the way if you want to have a job or travel you need to spend your entire life organizing an endless vaccine treadmill, good luck!" is eugenics moonbase shit, and the people promoting it should probably kill themselves.
 
Do you expect the vaccine to have some specific colour? How can you prove it's sugar water, in a situation outside of a medicinal trial? Having gone in for vaccinations several times before travelling abroad, I can attest that the majority of the jabs you get are colourless.

Assuming that the only way you can tell is "color"
 
So saving the sick and elderly by vaccinating is eugenics? You're retarded.
That's a turn of phrase referring to what a purely science based society taken to the logical conclusion looks like, you aren't that dumb.

And we can acceptably protect grandma without forcing everyone else to be slave to an endless treadmill of mandatory injections. Again, maybe I'm old fashioned.
 
Yes they do. The science is settled and has concluded that viruses will NOT infect you if you are protesting for BLM.
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"protesting for BLM" being the important part. Burn down businesses of the middle class and attack/kill your fellow peasants based solely on skin color. But if you protest to politicians, its violent rioting and terrorism and raping AOC.
 
So saving the sick and elderly by vaccinating is eugenics? You're retarded.
Retarded is:
- being so fat you become a health risk.
- developing diabetes due to bad habits before old age.
- having no physical stamina.
- lung problems related to smoking.
- being an alcoholic.

These are the sick you're supposed to empathize with? People like Moviebob who screech at how everyone needs to do what he says because he's a high risk person due to eating himself into diabetes and obesity so profound he hasn't seen his dick in decades?
Fuck him and those who make the same poor choices. Natural selection at work.
 
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