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Honestly, Byleth is the biggest reason why people are complaining about Pyra/Mythra.

One of the biggest complaints about Byleth was that everybody thought the Fire Emblem rep stole the spot from Xenoblade. Obviously, that is not the case, but Fire Emblem is very over represented in Smash smash. If the LoZ franchise was given the same treatment as the Fire Emblem franchise, there would be 6 - 8 Links in the game.

Also, Byleth pushed people against anime sword fighters. Sephiroth was well received in smash and he is an anime sword fighter, but people were legit wanting him in Smash due to his importance in FF, and he has a lot of magic to mix up his moveset, so people gave him a pass. But the resentment against sword fighters wasn't removed, just repressed for Seph.
i mean i do think LoZ gets way to shafted, we only have 3 characters link zelda and ganon, atleast one more zelda character would be cool, also fire emblem has the problem of most of the characters looking the same, which is why pokemon doesnt get as much shit as it despite having as many representatives.
 
Though the real fucking win is if we get Torna Golden Country's battle theme in the game. That is some of the smoothest fucking jazz in Xenoblade, and JRPG's in general.
A challenger approaches
I hope it's not just XB2 + Torna music and we get some more XB1 shit as well the series only has like 1 remix which is kinda disappointing as well
this song is a shoe in so thats pretty based at least
 
i mean i do think LoZ gets way to shafted, we only have 3 characters link zelda and ganon, atleast one more zelda character would be cool, also fire emblem has the problem of most of the characters looking the same, which is why pokemon doesnt get as much shit as it despite having as many representatives.
It's also that the series is mainly a moderate success in the west, and yet has way more representation than the more successful series' like Zelda and Mario. I don't know if Sakurai is a big fan of Fire Emblem, but I can't understand how it has more characters than the big dogs outside of swordfighters being incredibly simple to make (I might be oversimplifying the FE fighters, but the point stands).

Pokémon's very saturated too, but at least it has variety on its side. Byleth might as well be a reskin of Roy or Marth.
 
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He has nothing to apologize for and unlike Pyra his apology is completely flat.

If people are browbeating a milquetoast fag like Hungrybox for making boob jokes then when does the crusade against Nintendo start for putting her tits in the game to begin with? Look at this shit:
I agree with many of the points made by my peers - the content you make creates the community you foster.
Sounds to me like his "peers" need to take it up with Sakurai, not some streamer. Besides, being attracted to a voluptuous female form is pretty much the exact opposite of the problems the Smash community is having right now. Kind of makes you wonder if a bunch of nervous pedophiles are overcompensating to deflect attention.

The only joke Hungrybox failed to make in his booba video was a comment along the lines of "Do I have any female fans left at this point? Female fans press F in chat."
 
It's also that the series is mainly a moderate success in the west, and yet has way more representation than the more successful series' like Zelda and Mario. I don't know if Sakurai is a big fan of Fire Emblem, but I can't understand how it has more characters than the big dogs outside of swordfighters being incredibly simple to make (I might be oversimplifying the FE fighters, but the point stands).

Pokémon's very saturated too, but at least it has variety on its side. Byleth might as well be a reskin of Roy or Marth.

Byleth works nothing like Roy/Marth,

However those two are pretty much clones. The main issue with FE fighters is that two of them are functionally so similar that a normal person isn't going to care, and two of them have echo fighters too - it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if they played more differently.

I can guess why the two series you mention don't have more reps though.

When you look at Mario, the characters are pretty much consistent- it's usually just Mario, Peach, Bowser etc so it doesn't get a new character each entry. Sure you might get a Rosalina every now and then but unless we get a mainline Mario where the other main character isn't a hat ghost, there's not usually anyone new to add. You could probably get away with adding Toad or something at some point in a new game I guess.

I'd almost use the same argument for Zelda- a few years ago I'd have said that there's only *really* focus on three recurring characters that aren't like, gods or trees or whatever, and that you generally get recurring races more than anything, but it's not as bad as it used to be - Impa's gotten about quite a bit now, and I suppose Vaati was in a few games ages ago but who is there other than that, Tingle? Actually that'd cause terrible amounts of salt, I love it.


I think the main reason that FE gets more reps is because it's not basically 3-4 characters, and there's no main character for the whole series, which is why they keep being added in. I don't necessarily agree that it's a great idea, and I think it was at its worst when Smash 3DS got three reps, but I guess it is what it is.
 
Byleth works nothing like Roy/Marth,

However those two are pretty much clones. The main issue with FE fighters is that two of them are functionally so similar that a normal person isn't going to care, and two of them have echo fighters too - it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if they played more differently.

I can guess why the two series you mention don't have more reps though.

When you look at Mario, the characters are pretty much consistent- it's usually just Mario, Peach, Bowser etc so it doesn't get a new character each entry. Sure you might get a Rosalina every now and then but unless we get a mainline Mario where the other main character isn't a hat ghost, there's not usually anyone new to add. You could probably get away with adding Toad or something at some point in a new game I guess.

I'd almost use the same argument for Zelda- a few years ago I'd have said that there's only *really* focus on three recurring characters that aren't like, gods or trees or whatever, and that you generally get recurring races more than anything, but it's not as bad as it used to be - Impa's gotten about quite a bit now, and I suppose Vaati was in a few games ages ago but who is there other than that, Tingle? Actually that'd cause terrible amounts of salt, I love it.


I think the main reason that FE gets more reps is because it's not basically 3-4 characters, and there's no main character for the whole series, which is why they keep being added in. I don't necessarily agree that it's a great idea, and I think it was at its worst when Smash 3DS got three reps, but I guess it is what it is.
FE fell into a perfect storm of Echo Fighters and 'Everyone is Here'
By sales/fame, there's no way it should have so many reps that take up devspace and up till brawl, it worked fine, Marth + Most Recent Lord. Looking at the cast, the repetition isnt huge either
>Marth- Quick and light swordfighter
>Roy- Slower, stronger Marth.
>Ike- Big bruiser
>Robin- Mage character
>Lucina- Marth clone, no tipper
>Corrin- Unique swordfighter, very unorthodox moves
>Chrom- Roy remix with Ike elements
>Byleth- Bruiser with varied moveset

The fact you can name 3 characters in that list as clones is absurd for a B tier franchise, thats as many as all of Donkey Kong. I dont personally have a problem with variants of units, but for people who want variety, its going to grate

The vitriol to FE starts with Corrin anyway. Fates wasn't out in the west by the time of the announcement so the shillpick-ness of it was blatant. Also, it was announced the same day as the Fighter Ballot results, which I think is more it.
Between the Ballot and Cloud, the Rosterfags had reached critical mass with their wild guessing and getting their hopes up, so when they saw Bayonetta, not their pick and some another FE character, they lash out. And from there into Ultimate, the rosterfags only became more insufferable.
Roy and Lucina can be easily trimmed (make her a Marth costume like how Alph is an Olimar costume) to appease both sides.
The series is moving further from 'blue hair sword lord' anyway, so at least future shillpicks will be varied. Lets hope for an MC who starts on a Wyvern
 
You could probably get away with adding Toad or something at some point in a new game I guess.
I'm surprised Toad isn't a character at this point, especially since the Captain Toad game was a thing. I don't think too many people would complain to see Toadette as an echo of Captain Toad either.

I'd almost use the same argument for Zelda- a few years ago I'd have said that there's only *really* focus on three recurring characters that aren't like, gods or trees or whatever, and that you generally get recurring races more than anything, but it's not as bad as it used to be - Impa's gotten about quite a bit now, and I suppose Vaati was in a few games ages ago but who is there other than that, Tingle?
For one there's Tetra as a counterpart to Toon Link. Wolf Link isn't the worst option either and Midna doesn't even have to be riding him and make it awkward (since she's a separate assist trophy), though she could be worked into his Final Smash. It could even be that thing she does near the end of the game where she wears all four of the fused shadows and turns into a weird twilight spider monster thing. On the villain side we have Agahnim and hell, I mentioned Ghirahim a few pages back, he'd be perfect since they announced Skyward Sword HD.

Edit: I keep forgetting Ghirahim is an assist trophy, he appears so rarely for me. I've only seen him a few more times than the Squid Sisters, which outside of their spirit battle, is just one time.
 
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FE fell into a perfect storm of Echo Fighters and 'Everyone is Here'
By sales/fame, there's no way it should have so many reps that take up devspace and up till brawl, it worked fine, Marth + Most Recent Lord. Looking at the cast, the repetition isnt huge either
>Marth- Quick and light swordfighter
>Roy- Slower, stronger Marth.
>Ike- Big bruiser
>Robin- Mage character
>Lucina- Marth clone, no tipper
>Corrin- Unique swordfighter, very unorthodox moves
>Chrom- Roy remix with Ike elements
>Byleth- Bruiser with varied moveset

The fact you can name 3 characters in that list as clones is absurd for a B tier franchise, thats as many as all of Donkey Kong. I dont personally have a problem with variants of units, but for people who want variety, its going to grate

The vitriol to FE starts with Corrin anyway. Fates wasn't out in the west by the time of the announcement so the shillpick-ness of it was blatant. Also, it was announced the same day as the Fighter Ballot results, which I think is more it.
Between the Ballot and Cloud, the Rosterfags had reached critical mass with their wild guessing and getting their hopes up, so when they saw Bayonetta, not their pick and some another FE character, they lash out. And from there into Ultimate, the rosterfags only became more insufferable.
Roy and Lucina can be easily trimmed (make her a Marth costume like how Alph is an Olimar costume) to appease both sides.
The series is moving further from 'blue hair sword lord' anyway, so at least future shillpicks will be varied. Lets hope for an MC who starts on a Wyvern

Having recently revisited Fire Emblem 3 Houses for a second playthrough and never touching Awakening after one(enjoyable) playthrough, I'm actually gonna say I wish that one had more representation than Awakening's 3.
 
Fates wasn't out in the west by the time of the announcement so the shillpick-ness of it was blatant. Also, it was announced the same day as the Fighter Ballot results, which I think is more it.
Also keep in mind that when fates eventually did come out, it was sort of a black sheep of the series that alot of FE fags had problems with. So not only do you have a blatant shill pick, but one from a game whose reception was mixed at best.
Say what you want about awakening having 3 characters, but since it sorta revived the series from death it makes sense they have that much. Point is, Nintendo was lucky 3 houses was well received and seen as a fresh take on the series because it would have been an even bigger meltdown otherwise. But then again I guess that's just the lottery you play when you add characters meant for cross promotion like smash does sometimes.
 
Having recently revisited Fire Emblem 3 Houses for a second playthrough and never touching Awakening after one(enjoyable) playthrough, I'm actually gonna say I wish that one had more representation than Awakening's 3.
I think Byleth is perfect on their own as is. Wish the weapon changing changed their entire moveset for each weapon, but that would probably be too much work
My main problem with FE reps is their stages suck. For a series about war, its nuts that only Castle Siege feels like a battleground. They should use actual stage maps as inspiration, like a Port of Dia from Conquest with changing water levels or a Gronder Field from 3 Houses, with the central hill igniting during the fight
 
Byleth works nothing like Roy/Marth,

However those two are pretty much clones. The main issue with FE fighters is that two of them are functionally so similar that a normal person isn't going to care, and two of them have echo fighters too - it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if they played more differently.

I can guess why the two series you mention don't have more reps though.

When you look at Mario, the characters are pretty much consistent- it's usually just Mario, Peach, Bowser etc so it doesn't get a new character each entry. Sure you might get a Rosalina every now and then but unless we get a mainline Mario where the other main character isn't a hat ghost, there's not usually anyone new to add. You could probably get away with adding Toad or something at some point in a new game I guess.

I'd almost use the same argument for Zelda- a few years ago I'd have said that there's only *really* focus on three recurring characters that aren't like, gods or trees or whatever, and that you generally get recurring races more than anything, but it's not as bad as it used to be - Impa's gotten about quite a bit now, and I suppose Vaati was in a few games ages ago but who is there other than that, Tingle? Actually that'd cause terrible amounts of salt, I love it.


I think the main reason that FE gets more reps is because it's not basically 3-4 characters, and there's no main character for the whole series, which is why they keep being added in. I don't necessarily agree that it's a great idea, and I think it was at its worst when Smash 3DS got three reps, but I guess it is what it is.
Great post but you did not explain the correct reason as to why FE fighters have issues. The entire fucking issue with FE fighters is that they all look the same. That's literally the whole problem.

The only reason Roy's our boy is because he has red. All the others are the same character. Robin and Corn too. All the same.
 
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