Indentured servitude - What if we brought (a form of it) it back?

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This is probably dumb as shit as I'm kinda putting the idea together as I'm writing it. But let's say we brought back the concept of indentured servitude as a means of paying damages to the affected party in the modern day. What would that look like?
In my part of the US, at least, there is actually a motion one can file in order to go to jail as opposed to paying the fine for a criminal charge (iirc, the conversion is typically $120 per day if the judge allows it). So what if we did something similar for civil suits? If both parties agree, the losing defendant would be employed as a laborer for the plaintiff for no less than minimum wage. That money, of course, would not go to the defendant, but to pay off their debt to the plaintiff. At any point, either could sever the arrangement and the remainder of debt is just converted to debt.
Tbh. I think this option would rarely be used in the modern day (just as it's rare for people to choose jail over a fine), but to have the option there might actually be a good thing.

Now: tell me how retarded I am...
 
This is probably dumb as shit as I'm kinda putting the idea together as I'm writing it. But let's say we brought back the concept of indentured servitude as a means of paying damages to the affected party in the modern day. What would that look like?
In my part of the US, at least, there is actually a motion one can file in order to go to jail as opposed to paying the fine for a criminal charge (iirc, the conversion is typically $120 per day if the judge allows it). So what if we did something similar for civil suits? If both parties agree, the losing defendant would be employed as a laborer for the plaintiff for no less than minimum wage. That money, of course, would not go to the defendant, but to pay off their debt to the plaintiff. At any point, either could sever the arrangement and the remainder of debt is just converted to debt.
Tbh. I think this option would rarely be used in the modern day (just as it's rare for people to choose jail over a fine), but to have the option there might actually be a good thing.

Now: tell me how retarded I am...
Is it cultural appropriation if I gather some indentured servants then larp as a plantation owner despite not being Jewish?
 
Is it cultural appropriation if I gather some indentured servants then larp as a plantation owner despite not being Jewish?
What did he mean by this?

edit: shit, It just came together in my head. I really should go to bed.
Either way no. Jews are white when they do anything bad. So if you do a bad thing that Jews did, it can't be cultural appropriation because cultural appropriation against whites doesn't exist.
 
it would look like this:
the government puts you on trial for posting on notorious anti semitic hate site kiwifarms, decides that you now owe a million dollars to the ACLU, and since you probably dont have the money to pay them, they enslave you instead
Would there be any kinky shit involved at least?
 
"If both parties agree".... aren't civil suits what happen when both parties don't agree? I don't see anyone taking this deal.
 
Don't we already basically have this, with people not being able to declare bankruptcy on student debt and never ending interest considering people can only get shit wage jobs?
 
Most countries have prison labor so extending that to civil suits would probably not be too extreme of a change. The danger is you set up perverse incentives. Companies could wantingly sue people for cheap labor.

Historically, most indentured servitude was people signing contracts. They got stable work and the employer got disempowered workers. You could argue that the systems of pensions and employee plans fills this role.
 
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Don't we already basically have this, with people not being able to declare bankruptcy on student debt and never ending interest considering people can only get shit wage jobs?
the worst thing that can happen to you from that kind of situation is having your wages garnished if you have a job. if you don't have regular income and are penniless in general, then they can't collect anything from you either and simply have to wait.

sure it sucks to know that all money you could make will immediately be taken away by the loansharks, but you're still a free man. they're not gonna arrest you and cart you off into some mine to do forced labor for your overlords.
 
the worst thing that can happen to you from that kind of situation is having your wages garnished if you have a job. if you don't have regular income and are penniless in general, then they can't collect anything from you either and simply have to wait.

sure it sucks to know that all money you could make will immediately be taken away by the loansharks, but you're still a free man. they're not gonna arrest you and cart you off into some mine to do forced labor for your overlords.

Yeah but, don't you want a job?
 
Don't we already basically have this, with people not being able to declare bankruptcy on student debt and never ending interest considering people can only get shit wage jobs?
The answer to your student loans is find who owns it then punch them in the throat
 
The answer to your student loans is find who owns it then punch them in the throat
I got mixed feelings on the concept, tbh. I do think people should be able to declare bankruptcy, and the people who pick up the pieces there should be the banks for giving loans to people for a market that frankly, has nowhere near the yield in return that its been ingrained within our popular culture to have.

Anyone who fucked themselves over to a point that they couldn't pay back their degree has some of the responsibility in their own predicament. Yeah, we all got sold a ponzi dream, but there are people who just took out absurd levels of debt completely ignoring any risk.

On the other hand too, schools actively advertise and push the ponzi scheme for obvious reasons, "change your life" ads on bus stops, financial services making the process of getting even more loans just that much easier within their administrative centers, etc.

In some sense, schools should be partially responsible for financing these loans with banks, and should students get a degree in something with no actual yield in the market- well, maybe schools shouldn't have advertised it as such. Students want to default on their loans? Well, schools and banks having to take the loss on benefiting on student loan debt could incentivize these organizations to be a lot more careful with what they advertise as a "ticket to the middle class"- especially if they know that for 90% of the people taking these courses, its complete bs.
 
I got mixed feelings on the concept, tbh. I do think people should be able to declare bankruptcy, and the people who pick up the pieces there should be the banks for giving loans to people for a market that frankly, has nowhere near the yield in return that its been ingrained within our popular culture to have.

Anyone who fucked themselves over to a point that they couldn't pay back their degree has some of the responsibility in their own predicament. Yeah, we all got sold a ponzi dream, but there are people who just took out absurd levels of debt completely ignoring any risk.

On the other hand too, schools actively advertise and push the ponzi scheme for obvious reasons, "change your life" ads on bus stops, financial services making the process of getting even more loans just that much easier within their administrative centers, etc.

In some sense, schools should be partially responsible for financing these loans with banks, and should students get a degree in something with no actual yield in the market- well, maybe schools shouldn't have advertised it as such. Students want to default on their loans? Well, schools and banks having to take the loss on benefiting on student loan debt could incentivize these organizations to be a lot more careful with what they advertise as a "ticket to the middle class"- especially if they know that for 90% of the people taking these courses, its complete bs.
In a healthy society I would agree. We don't live in such a society.

What obligation do I owe a captain of a sinking ship?
 
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In a healthy society I would agree. We don't live in such a society.

What obligation do I owe a captain of a sinking ship?
None really, save if youre in a bad position should the ship sink with you still on it,

and thats the reality for most people
 
None really, save if youre in a bad position should the ship sink with you still on it,

and thats the reality for most people
At least a sinking ship s captain is benign. Just happened to be in a bad place and time.

Current society is much worse then a sinking ship. It has become
full blown hostile against the lower classes. Not in a predatory way either. Full blown pursuit against free born. The elites want you either dead or enslaved.

Paying your student loans is sustaining their systems which are turned against you.

So why would you pay such loans? It's no different then giving a gun to a would be rapist
 
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