Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Seymour Glass]

Yes, you frog cocksucker. Dave Sim has been celibate longer than he was sexually active. It takes a man to admit he was wrong.

Do you believe in redemption? If so, Dave Sim has done everything he can do apologize for his actions. You can throw these aged allegations around all day, and if you don't want to listen then you're just as bad as the cancel culture spergs you foam at the mouth at. You're the same as whatever social media rabble that wants to cancel anyone whose ever made a mistake.

Woody Allen makes good movies. Do I think he's a good person? Probably not, but I've never met him to know. I'm sure he's lovely person to person.

Dave Sim is a better artist and writer than Sciver and his book would've been better with his involvement.

Also, hi fat faggot sciver. I see your sock account you massive pussy.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Yes, you frog cocksucker. Dave Sim has been celibate longer than he was sexually active. It takes a man to admit he was wrong.

Do you believe in redemption? If so, Dave Sim has done everything he can do apologize for his actions. You can throw these aged allegations around all day, and if you don't want to listen then you're just as bad as the cancel culture spergs you foam at the mouth at. You're the same as whatever social media rabble that wants to cancel anyone whose ever made a mistake.

Woody Allen makes good movies. Do I think he's a good person? Probably not, but I've never met him to know. I'm sure he's lovely person to person.

Dave Sim is a better artist and writer than Sciver and his book would've been better with his involvement.

Also, hi fat faggot sciver. I see your sock account you massive pussy.

My post history here is available for all to see just how much of a "Frog cocksucker" I am.

Sorry dude, some things you can't just apologize for and then go back to normal. Bedding 14yo's is one of those things.

I fully encourage you to go into business with that guy though.

 

[Seymour Glass]

My post history here is available for all to see just how much of a "Frog cocksucker" I am.

Sorry dude, some things you can' justt apologize for and then go back to normal. Wanting to bed 14yo's is one of those things.

I fully encourage you to go into business with that guy though.

Sciver was aware of his past and was going to work with him anyway. He only stopped because of retarded people on social media like you.

If you can't separate the art from the artist then I don't know what to tell you except enjoy whatever Netflix provides for you, you low iq consumer.

Also they didn't have sex until she was like twenty four. You're being disingenuous or you didn't read the entire paper you linked.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Sciver was aware of his past and was going to work with him anyway. He only stopped because of retarded people on social media like you.

Interesting that you gave my comment the "Mad at the Internet" flag thing.

Why is it Frog's responsibility to rehab that pedo guy's image? Why don't you risk your livelyhood to go into business with him? Put your real name to it as well. Why not?

If you can't separate the art from the artist then I don't know what to tell you except enjoy whatever Netflix provides for you, you low iq consumer.

Ah yes. Frog should've also gone into business with Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy. Separate the artist from the art!

 

[Seymour Glass]

Interesting that you gave my comment the "Mad at the Internet" flag thing.

Why is it Frog's responsibility to rehab that pedo guy's image? Why don't you risk your livelyhood to go into business with him? Put your real name to it as well. Why not?

Do you read literally anything or just shoot off at keyboard?

Edit: let me put this in bold text so you can read it.

Sciver knew and was going to work with him anyway. He didn't because of moralfags like you who don't read anything except the title of an article.

I would absolutely work with Dave Sim. It'd be honor.

 

[FROG]

The truth of the Dave Sim situation is that he contacted me thru someone else, wanting to get involved in ComicsGate. I assumed he wanted to launch a project and make some money. That's not what he wanted.

He wanted:
1. For me to promote digital Cerebus Omnibuses on my YouTube channel.
2. To not create anything new
3. To plot or help me plot CYBERFROG for a 5 figure fee
4. To avoid the internet
5. To do all of this through a complicated and inconvenient network of technology from the 1980's, including fax machines and landlines and messages from his fans.

Fuck all that. I liked the idea of learning to write from Dave Sim, but he wanted a shit ton of money, he wanted to steer the direction of my comic book, and contacting him was a nightmare.
Plus, his gay fanclub started harassing me, like this shithead is doing.

I was thrilled to walk away. Any excuse would do.

 

[Absurdity]

Here's the tricky part about Dave Sim: he's admitted to grooming her and he says he's been celibate since the 90s, but in trying to explain why little girls are cuter than grown women, he firmly solidified his creep factor. It would be one thing if she looked or acted much older to throw him off, it still would have been bad optics but he goes through the trouble to explain he was charmed because she was so tiny. He should have just left it at "Wrong." It was that extra bit that doomed him at least in my eyes.

Ethan's done more to damage Edwin's rep and Edwin did far less to merit it than Dave Sim. Same goes for Mike S. Miller. Whether you like these guys or not, Ethan and his WarCramps really ran a runaway train on them.

 

[Seymour Glass]

Interesting that you gave my comment the "Mad at the Internet" flag thing.

Why is it Frog's responsibility to rehab that pedo guy's image? Why don't you risk your livelyhood to go into business with him? Put your real name to it as well. Why not?




Ah yes. Frog should've also gone into business with Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy. Separate the artist from

Charles Manson's music was fire.

The truth of the Dave Sim situation is that he contacted me thru someone else, wanting to get involved in ComicsGate. I assumed he wanted to launch a project and make some money. That's not what he wanted.

He wanted:
1. For me to promote digital Cerebus Omnibuses on my YouTube channel.
2. To not create anything new
3. To plot or help me plot CYBERFROG for a 5 figure fee
4. To avoid the internet
5. To do all of this through a complicated and inconvenient network of technology from the 1980's, including fax machines and landlines and messages from his fans.

Fuck all that. I liked the idea of learning to write from Dave Sim, but he wanted a shit ton of money, he wanted to steer the direction of my comic book, and contacting him was a nightmare.
Plus, his gay fanclub started harassing me, like this shithead is doing.

I was thrilled to walk away. Any excuse would do.

I sincerely doubt most of your claims. Especially being "harrassed" by his fan base since it's like twenty people and they're all retarded boomers like you.

Dave Sim is clearly a little crazy, but you pretending to be a little helpless princess who can't negotiate is pathetic. You're just a grifter who skims the top of neocon faggots like @SaidNoOneEver

Edit: didn't mean to quote bomb. Mobile fagging it

Sciver can't admit he just bucked like a belt under pressure.

 

[The Holmes]

I sincerely doubt "Dave Sim's fan club" harassed you. There's maybe ten people and they're all retarded boomers. Also I highly doubt most of what you claim. Easy to say since Sim doesn't do internet shit.

Nice edit. Charles Manson's music is actually fire.









































I sincerely doubt most of your claims. Especially being "harrassed" by his fan base since it's like twenty people and they're all retarded boomers like you.

Dave Sim is clearly a little crazy, but you pretending to be a little helpless princess who can't negotiate is pathetic. You're just a grifter who skims the top of neocon faggots like @SaidNoOneEver

Sciver can't admit he just bucked like a belt under pressure.

You are looking more like a dipshit high on tard fuel and paint thinner the more you post. You already looked stupid by crying ETHAN ALT because someone disagreed with you. Plenty of people go at Ethan here and they don't catch shit for it. You need to have someone slap the bitch shit right out of your fucking mouth so you'll calm down, what the actual fuck at making all of these god damn quotes on this post?

Edit: Never mind, you fixed the extra quotes, guessing that was a mistake.

 

[Absurdity]

Speaking of "Boomer" what's with all the quotes Seymour forgot to remove before he posted? Those extra 16 quotes have nothing to do with the subject at hand and are from people who do not post on this thread.

 

[FROG]

I sincerely doubt "Dave Sim's fan club" harassed you. There's maybe ten people and they're all retarded boomers. Also I highly doubt most of what you claim. Easy to say since Sim doesn't do internet shit.

Nice edit. Charles Manson's music is actually fire.









































I sincerely doubt most of your claims. Especially being "harrassed" by his fan base since it's like twenty people and they're all retarded boomers like you.

Dave Sim is clearly a little crazy, but you pretending to be a little helpless princess who can't negotiate is pathetic. You're just a grifter who skims the top of neocon faggots like @SaidNoOneEver

Sciver can't admit he just bucked like a belt under pressure.

This site is full of angry retards, but you're a new breed.

Let me explain something. I don't give a fuck about Dave Sim. I'm not a fan. I didn't read Cerebus. I have almost zero respect for anyone who worked for decades on his own IP and still needs my help to pay his bills. And since you brought up skimming grifters, is Dave Sim a fan of mine? For what other reason would your hero be contacting a nobody Gen Xer like me, if not to work a grift of his own?

Tell him to go chase a wealthy Disney tween.

 

[Narr Then]

Charles Manson's music was fire.

I sincerely doubt most of your claims. Especially being "harrassed" by his fan base since it's like twenty people and they're all retarded boomers like you.

Dave Sim is clearly a little crazy, but you pretending to be a little helpless princess who can't negotiate is pathetic. You're just a grifter who skims the top of neocon faggots like @SaidNoOneEver

Edit: didn't mean to quote bomb. Mobile fagging it

Sciver can't admit he just bucked like a belt under pressure.

Who the fuck are you, and why are you quoting my post in a thread I've never even looked at, from a completely unrelated thread?

Get yaself fucked off, fuckwit. Leave me out of your retarded slap fight.

 

[Mister Dongs]

$25 seems like a fair price for a premium product, but most of the people charging $25 are amateurs who are (ideally) learning to produce the bare minimum as they go. @FROG wrote a few pages back that him setting Bloodhoney at $25 was something set by him because that's what he felt a 96 page chrome-covered production with whatever else he could add should cost. It never really occurred to him that other people would just blindly follow the example for other projects.

This problem is compounded by the $10 shipping fee per unit; a shipment fee that costs more than most comics at retail is a strong disincentive for customers to support amateur and developing indie creators. Some of the larger CGers like Cecil and TUG are able to get around this by leveraging their comics as an extension of their personal brand. Either you're making something that's worth $10 to ship or justifying your prices within the current crowdfund business model becomes increasingly difficult.

One of the more interesting ideas I've seen around this was in Zack's 499 campaign with tiers offering product from multiple creators.

While upcharging an additional 10 dollars on a bulk sale to charge a $25 premium for 22 pages of this level of work is truly a "Zack move" if there ever was one, the idea of bundling multiple franchises or creators' projects is a great idea of reducing shipment costs on the consumer.

The reasons why this hasn't been done in the past is obvious: you'd have to a fucking idiot to enter into an arrangement where fulfilling one's crowdfund campaign hinges on somebody like Donal independently carrying out their end of the bargain in a timely manner. But with an increasing body of completed work by smaller creators being built up, along with thee actual fulfillment end increasingly being outsourced to CG-friendly fulfilllment services (Jon Malin's being one) and publishers, it should be possible for creators to form blocs, agree on a mutual fulfillment service and send out several different comics sent from one location in one order, the saving $10 on each bundled comic.

 

[Seymour Glass]

Who the fuck are you, and why are you quoting my post in a thread I've never even looked at, from a completely unrelated thread?

Get yaself fucked off, fuckwit. Leave me out of your retarded slap fight.

I accidentally boomered the qoute. You'll live, calm down faggots.

@FROG I started the initial post without knowing you were on this forum. When I read back further I saw you were active on the forum so I @ed you. This goes back to my initial post that all you care about is money. There is no artistry in what you do (or most other comic creators) because you're owned by money. That's all you people care about.

I like Dave Sim because he attempted to make art for art's sake. It's cool to say you're going to self publish 300 issues and do just that.

@Booty Warrior of Light omg internet tough guy who reads comics. Go fuck yourself

 

[FROG]

$25 seems like a fair price for a premium product, but most of the people charging $25 are amateurs who are (ideally) learning to produce the bare minimum as they go. @FROG wrote a few pages back that him setting Bloodhoney at $25 was something set by him because that's what he felt a 96 page chrome-covered production with whatever else he could add should cost. It never really occurred to him that other people would just blindly follow the example for other projects.

This problem is compounded by the $10 shipping fee per unit; a shipment fee that costs more than most comics at retail is a strong disincentive for customers to support amateur and developing indie creators. Some of the larger CGers like Cecil and TUG are able to get around this by leveraging their comics as an extension of their personal brand. Either you're making something that's worth $10 to ship or justifying your prices within the current crowdfund business model becomes increasingly difficult.

One of the more interesting ideas I've seen around this was in Zack's 499 campaign with tiers offering product from multiple creators.

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While upcharging an additional 10 dollars on a bulk sale to charge a $25 premium for 22 pages of this level of work is truly a "Zack move" if there ever was one, the idea of bundling multiple franchises or creators' projects is a great idea of reducing shipment costs on the consumer.

The reasons why this hasn't been done in the past is obvious: you'd have to a fucking idiot to enter into an arrangement where fulfilling one's crowdfund campaign hinges on somebody like Donal independently carrying out their end of the bargain in a timely manner. But with an increasing body of completed work by smaller creators being built up, along with thee actual fulfillment end increasingly being outsourced to CG-friendly fulfilllment services (Jon Malin's being one) and publishers, it should be possible for creators to form blocs, agree on a mutual fulfillment service and send out several different comics sent from one location in one order, the saving $10 on each bundled comic.

Then again, there's eBay.

Why are we making people wait 30+ days for IndieGoGo to release funds before we ship our customers product that ALREADY EXISTS?

I can't figure that one out. Sorry.

 

[The Holmes]

I accidentally boomered the qoute. You'll live, calm down faggots.

@FROG I started the initial post without knowing you were on this forum. When I read back further I saw you were active on the forum so I @ed you. This goes back to my initial post that all you care about is money. There is no artistry in what you do (or most other comic creators) because you're owned by money. That's all you people care about.

I like Dave Sim because he attempted to make art for art's sake. It's cool to say you're going to self publish 300 issues and do just that.

@Booty Warrior of Light omg internet tough guy who reads comics. Go fuck yourself

Fucking lol. I didn't even threaten you.

So that's screaming "ALT" at someone then yelling out internet tough guy. Let's get our bingo cards out for this failed abortion, we got a real winner up in this side of town.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Then again, there's eBay.

Why are we making people wait 30+ days for IndieGoGo to release funds before we ship our customers product that ALREADY EXISTS?

I can't figure that one out. Sorry.

International customers looking to save on exorbitant shipping costs? People who are out of overprint but don't want to run a second chance campaign? It made sense to me, but I figured there was any number of things I hadn't thought of. Ah well.

 

[FROG]

I accidentally boomered the qoute. You'll live, calm down faggots.

@FROG I started the initial post without knowing you were on this forum. When I read back further I saw you were active on the forum so I @ed you. This goes back to my initial post that all you care about is money. There is no artistry in what you do (or most other comic creators) because you're owned by money. That's all you people care about.

I like Dave Sim because he attempted to make art for art's sake. It's cool to say you're going to self publish 300 issues and do just that.

It's not so cool when you're 64 years old and broke, though.

I would have liked the very expensive writing lessons I would have gotten from Dave Sim. But it was too much of a hassle. The weird pedo shit just compounded the multitude of problems. I've got enough PR problems of my own to deal with.

Plus, I really just don't care about you or him, or almost anyone in mainstream comics.

Honestly, since he was looking for an infusion of cash, he should have just written a fun superhero comic of his own, hired an artist, and we would have sold it for him. That's what I recommended he do. Instead, he wanted to fuck with my characters. Bleh.

 

[Absurdity]

I accidentally boomered the qoute. You'll live, calm down faggots.

@FROG I started the initial post without knowing you were on this forum. When I read back further I saw you were active on the forum so I @ed you. This goes back to my initial post that all you care about is money. There is no artistry in what you do (or most other comic creators) because you're owned by money. That's all you people care about.

I like Dave Sim because he attempted to make art for art's sake. It's cool to say you're going to self publish 300 issues and do just that.

@Booty Warrior of Light omg internet tough guy who reads comics. Go fuck yourself

Welcome to the thread!

RIP.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

I sincerely doubt most of your claims. Especially being "harrassed" by his fan base since it's like twenty people and they're all retarded boomers like you.

Dave Sim is clearly a little crazy, but you pretending to be a little helpless princess who can't negotiate is pathetic. You're just a grifter who skims the top of neocon faggots like @SaidNoOneEver

@FROG /Sciver is a pussy that canceled his collaboration with Dave Sim because of ridiculous social pressure. He's no better than the "sjw" types yells about.

Buddy, you are saying that you don't believe his claims, but you never provided anything that proved your claims.
Where are the screenshots of people pressuring him.
Where is his comment about canceling the collaboration after the "social pressure".
I don't believe your claims.

As much as I don't like to defend Ethan, he's a primary source.
If you don't provide any proof or you are Dave himself, I have to take Ethan's words over yours.