General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[honeyorenji]

People are noticing Kyuotto deleted VODs of a stream she did apparently for charity and that she never posted proof of donation. Tbh, it probably was just an oversight on her part but something to keep an eye on.

 

[Grass4Cats]

I had fun playing the fat plumber stomping things with ground pound, now back to playing the real game.

Fubuki is trying to speedrun Genocide again. What's her goal, 1 hour RTA?

 

[Potatohead]

I genuinely love the manifesto writers.

Edit: If you are a Takodachi or a Hoshiyomi, you should refrain from the NSFW work channel. There is a right and wrong way to produce that kind of content, and that wasn't it.

Crap, I actually read them after seeing your reaction. What the fuck is wrong with them? It's not just the coomer incel shit, I can't believe they have zero understanding of these characters. It's like the bigger doujin artists that just make the same NTR shit over and over and switch out the characters. Has Okayu guy ever actually seen a clip of Okayu?

1) Y’all are reading copypastas lifted more or less straight out of...vt? jp? I can’t even remember where they came from, point is that these are fucking ancient.
2) That stuff’s not even the weirdest shit out there, at least those were posted with the explicit intent to gross/freak you out. You also have anons that took bits of their ex-gf’s hair to keep in their wallets, that have shared a pornhub account with their fathers, that haven’t brushed their teeth in years. You read/see enough of this sorta stuff (at a rate of once a week, if you’re lucky), you get desensitized to the copypastas real quick.

I know it gets brought up a lot about Pekora focusing on numbers a lot, and I hate to be that guy who begs for sources, but do you have them? I’m genuinely just curious about that characterization because I hear it all the time but usually in anti posting. Probably some nugget of truth but I haven’t watched enough Pekora to notice. Was this an earlier thing like Kiara?

It’s because Pekora was caught in a (now privated) collab stream with Shion displaying her google chrome homepage, which had 5ch and one or two numberfagging sites on as most visited sites. (I’ll see if I can find the exact screenshot later)

Learning about why numbers are used so much in antiposting against Peko (on the english side of the internet at least; apparently 5ch nousagi were coping about Gura surpassing her in sub count by saying that there are more english speakers in the world so naturally a japanese sub is worth X times more than an english-speaking sub) requires metaknowledge stemming from /jp/hlgg/, where Pekora was touted as the biggest example of EN doing poorly compared to JP holos - Gura not pulling the same concurrent live viewers at the end/in the middle of both normal and event streams as Pekora, Kiara nowhere close to Pekora’s numbers, same for Calli because of all the dead subs from her music, etc etc; ENs bad, JPs good, and its provable because numbers don’t lie. (These claims are in of themselves suspect, as EN’s stream graphs displaying viewer counts have these weird “ribbed for her pleasure” spikes all throughout the duration of the streams, along with massive drops in viewers moving from waiting room to the stream itself. The first is not a phenomena shared with JP streams, unknown if the second occurs for them as well.)

In other words, Pekora had been the vector used for antiposting against EN for a very long time, so the instant the “5ch yab” happened everyone in hlgg collectively laughed at any attempts of numberfagging for the next week or so, because the Holo they used for the numberfagging proved to herself be a massive numberfag. And though numberfagging did eventually make a return, it wasn’t before numbersposting and an ironic obsession with numbers were made forms of shitposting, and a normal (not numberfagging) nousagi posting Pekora in global joined the rest of hlgg’s yahoos.





And this isn’t relating to any of the quoted posts, but Kiara’s channel shadowban could have been triggered by her having a chatting room prestream like some of the JP Holos do.

 

[ChuubaVital]

It’s because Pekora was caught in a (now privated) collab stream with Shion displaying her google chrome homepage, which had 5ch and one or two numberfagging sites on as most visited sites. (I’ll see if I can find the exact screenshot later)

Was it this?

 

[Potatohead]

Was it this?

Yeah, that’s what it was. I only caught the screenshot, nice job finding video of the moment in question.

 

[(iIivVvbBb-iIimMmvVv)]

1) Y’all are reading copypastas lifted more or less straight out of...vt? jp? I can’t even remember where they came from, point is that these are fucking ancient.
2) That stuff’s not even the weirdest shit out there, at least those were posted with the explicit intent to gross/freak you out. You also have anons that took bits of their ex-gf’s hair to keep in their wallets, that have shared a pornhub account with their fathers, that haven’t brushed their teeth in years. You read/see enough of this sorta stuff (at a rate of once a week, if you’re lucky), you get desensitized to the copypastas real quick.

It’s because Pekora was caught in a (now privated) collab stream with Shion displaying her google chrome homepage, which had 5ch and one or two numberfagging sites on as most visited sites. (I’ll see if I can find the exact screenshot later)

Learning about why numbers are used so much in antiposting against Peko (on the english side of the internet at least; apparently 5ch nousagi were coping about Gura surpassing her in sub count by saying that there are more english speakers in the world so naturally a japanese sub is worth X times more than an english-speaking sub) requires metaknowledge stemming from /jp/hlgg/, where Pekora was touted as the biggest example of EN doing poorly compared to JP holos - Gura not pulling the same concurrent live viewers at the end/in the middle of both normal and event streams as Pekora, Kiara nowhere close to Pekora’s numbers, same for Calli because of all the dead subs from her music, etc etc; ENs bad, JPs good, and its provable because numbers don’t lie. (These claims are in of themselves suspect, as EN’s stream graphs displaying viewer counts have these weird “ribbed for her pleasure” spikes all throughout the duration of the streams, along with massive drops in viewers moving from waiting room to the stream itself. The first is not a phenomena shared with JP streams, unknown if the second occurs for them as well.)

In other words, Pekora had been the vector used for antiposting against EN for a very long time, so the instant the “5ch yab” happened everyone in hlgg collectively laughed at any attempts of numberfagging for the next week or so, because the Holo they used for the numberfagging proved to herself be a massive numberfag. And though numberfagging did eventually make a return, it wasn’t before numbersposting and an ironic obsession with numbers were made forms of shitposting, and a normal (not numberfagging) nousagi posting Pekora in global joined the rest of hlgg’s yahoos.





And this isn’t relating to any of the quoted posts, but Kiara’s channel shadowban could have been triggered by her having a chatting room prestream like some of the JP Holos do.

Figured they might have been just a copy pasta, but it’s still wonderful to see that kind of talk on these ‘secret squirrel spaces.’ If it’s new, horrifying. If it’s old? More proof these are just the same circle jerk.

Also, thanks for the Pekora insight. I had heard about that incident, but I thought there was something more. Because that is just so fucking insignificant.
If you think anything less than 85% of the talents don’t have those sites on their most searched lists you’re deluding yourself. Not you specifically, just a general thing. Some might not like talking about it, or having it brought up, but this is their job. Of course most are going to look at the metrics that help determine success at their job.
Seems like the whole thing just ends up being shit-fans and antis being shit-fans and antis. Besides, being a NF is more about vocalizing that you care, not just caring in my opinion.

 

[Dracula]

So Snuffy is interesting, and I've been following her recently because of the Raccoon model. She actually started out as a generic Cotton Candy colored Catgirl when she premiered around April last year.

That model she got through something like an auction for cheap, so she didn't commission it or anything. She just got it and rolled with it.

She's got a Gremlin personality much like Nyanners and Ironmouse. From what I've caught, her fanbase has joked for a while that between her personality, the bushy tail on the iteration of the model she was using at the time, and the random shit she's eaten as a joke on stream:
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she was actually a raccoon wearing makeup to disguise herself and be more popular as a catgirl. She liked that idea so much, that when she got a new model she rolled with that as part of her new backstory.
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She recently premiered it earlier this month which is why you saw that one video going around of her mouth tracking. It's pretty good because she's using a 3D model like Miko, Roboco, and Sora so the animation can be a bit better.

She spends some time talking about creative burnout in this vid, mainly stemming from the model she had been using being super generic like everyone else and wasn't feeling like she was making content as 'herself'. Much respect for her making such a drastic change with her character, and the community has clearly embraced the hell out of it.

In the last few days, on top of the new character reveal, she also dropped the cutesy voice and just talked with her natural voice. Which suits her model much better, and it suits the 'lore' of her character being a raccoon disguising herself to fit in.

If you're looking for anything different than Nyanner/Ironmouse, you're not going to find much. But at least she talks like a normal woman, and I actually like the deeper tomboy voice (as she calls it). She's in the same column as Okayu, Gundou, Flare, and Calli with that regard.

Didn't expect to see plague of gripes in that voice revieal video, but considering he did fanworks of vtubers and talked about them in the past year in his drawing videos, that's shouldn't be too surprising

 

[Potatohead]

Also, thanks for the Pekora insight. I had heard about that incident, but I thought there was something more. Because that is just so fucking insignificant.

I mean, a hard confirmation that a Holo is posting amongst yourselves is reason enough to have a thread meltdown (Fuck you Risu), even if 90% of the time HEREposting is just funposting and not anons thinking that Gura, Calli etc are actually shitposting with them on 4chan.

Regarding it being a nothingburger, that’s all antiposting is, blowing up something insignificant to an absurd degree/ignore context/leave out shit in order to have something to hate. Also, it’s incredibly easy to twist facts into supporting a narrative of your choosing. Here, I’ll even give you a few examples:

Gura isn’t streaming the most in EN -> Gura HATES streaming -> Gura doesn’t care about Hololive
Gura is collabing with Anya this week -> Gura isn’t collabing with her senpais -> Gura doesn’t care about Hololive

The first rrat is leaving out that Gura mentioned working on 5 unique songs as well as her own bgm. Nobody but her and whoever she chose to work with for those projects knows how long they’ve been in progress, meaning that it could have been something she was trying to do for her hitting 1 mil subs.

The second is deliberately leaving out how Gura has stuck exclusively to EN collabs since that one time she absolutely did not have fun and got bullied (Did another writeup on this as a thread highlight. Tldr some of her fans/antis posing as her fans threw a tantraum across twitter, yt comments, etc. This fact in of itself can also be interpreted a variety of ways).

But a Gura anti, when confronted with the parts they left out, would then simply move the goalposts, saying “Well, why didn’t she announce/make her songs sooner? She still doesn’t care about Hololive!”

The yab itself wasn’t really a big deal in relation to Pekora herself, but it was significant to hlgg culture in that EN antis lost a valuable tool with which they had derailed countless threads before. I’m a bit obsessed with watching how hlgg has changed over time, and events such as this help chronicle the ebb and flow of popular opinion there.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

Personally I don't bother with reading anything about vtubers on any chan site. The people there are always going to be a combination of trolls and the stupidest fucks on the internet.

 

[Spins Of Our Fathers]

Looks like several people brought up the old Gura is a flip rrat , but with the angle that she could be a half-Filipino. Although the father clearly has an American lastname (I have not seen the dox myself), I don't see anything regarding the mother. I can personally say that the tendency for white men to take Filipino wives is a common thing, and the wives tend to be on the ugly side, especially by flip standards.

 

[RiverBear]

The yab itself wasn’t really a big deal in relation to Pekora herself, but it was significant to hlgg culture in that EN antis lost a valuable tool with which they had derailed countless threads before. I’m a bit obsessed with watching how hlgg has changed over time, and events such as this help chronicle the ebb and flow of popular opinion there.

I've been spending time in the chans, and the new buzzword is "dead subs"

Gura only has 36% of her subs watching her live vs Pekora who has 37% of subs

This proves Gura has dead subs and her subs don't matter!

Edit: I also remember when there was a picture floating around that Pekora was 3rd most watched female streamer in the world for 2020, and /jp/ used that as ammo that Gura was insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

People pointed out that EN only debuted for 3 months at that point but those fell on deaf ears

 

[Sleepflower]

People are noticing Kyuotto deleted VODs of a stream she did apparently for charity and that she never posted proof of donation. Tbh, it probably was just an oversight on her part but something to keep an eye on.

I am so sure that sure I remember there being a screenshot of the place she donated to with the donation and the amount in one picture but can only find this with it cropped out so who knows. (Hope I posted this right I haven't posted on a forum in a while). So there's some proof but questionable. Could appear later on her youtube channel where she usually posts VODs.

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Edit: It's there on the go fund me page (https://www.gofundme.com/f/texaswinterstormrelief)

 

[aldoragezz]

Fuck the dirty rrats, HAPPY BIRTHDAY NENEEEE

 

[Spins Of Our Fathers]

I've been spending time in the chans, and the new buzzword is "dead subs"

Gura only has 36% of her subs watching her live vs Pekora who has 37% of subs

This proves Gura has dead subs and her subs don't matter!

Edit: I also remember when there was a picture floating around that Pekora was 3rd most watched female streamer in the world for 2020, and /jp/ used that as ammo that Gura was insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

People pointed out that EN only debuted for 3 months at that point but those fell on deaf ears

Honestly if dead subs actually mattered much, then how the hell is Pewdiepie still alive? He averages half of 1% of his subscriber count in views and he seems to do fine.

If anything, nothing can really pare down the fact that Gura's still meteoric.

 

[Gravemind]

All this rrat discussion is gay as fuck and this is coming from a fag like me who used to gladly delve into speculative talk.

People are noticing Kyuotto deleted VODs of a stream she did apparently for charity and that she never posted proof of donation. Tbh, it probably was just an oversight on her part but something to keep an eye on.

The VOD's still up on her Twitch, in which she does show proof of donation at the end of the stream, she just never really took screenshots for social media.

She probably deleted or privated the VOD upload to YouTube on account of the fact that she recently became a Twitch affiliate and there's a mandatory 24 hour wait before affiliates are allowed to dump VODs elsewhere, or so she recently explained. She probably just hasn't gotten around to reuploading it/making it public again.

In other news, Sans seems to have won against Rushia. For now.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Also, Gibara got a new outfit... It looks so weird.

She raided Polka's closet.

Chill vtubers just aren't that popular, there is a reason why Ina is the least subbed HoloEN member despite being arguably the most talented of the bunch. This kind of personality just isn't that suitable for memes and clips. Pekora used to act all cutesy and shy early on but her growth only happened after she assumed her current smug and aggressive personality. Current Pekora shouting "ORA ORA ORA", "KITERAAA" and "PEKO PEKO PEKO" while devising pranks and traps is way more suitable for clips and memes than the old shy Pekora.
I think that Flare would only have an explosive growth like Pekora if she assumed a different persona like Pekora did.

I attribute Pekora's persona switch more to her just getting more comfortable with streaming in general; I notice it quite often in my own side of things (which is also why I'm not on here as often) in that it takes several months for any content creator to find an active niche and start playing into that role a bit more. Most people I follow, myself included, are nothing like what they started out as. Even so, a lot of the really small Twitch affiliates tend to have a more relaxed air to their streams since there's not as much pressure to put on a show, as it were. Granted, I average maybe 6 to 10 people per stream but the people that do show up do so consistently. This is pretty much true for all the other small indies I follow. Very rarely do you get a new viewer who just doesn't come back, they'll stick around and usually it's because of the more relaxed nature of the streamer.

Granted, becoming more outspoken and better as a performer isn't a bad thing, but I do think it was less of a deliberate shift and more about a comfort level with the nature of the industry. It's less of a feeling of "I can do no wrong" but more like you start to understand that people watch your content because of who you are and not who you try to be. Low energy isn't exactly a bad thing as @Takodachi would probably agree with. There are also some indies who I like to call cat-herders where their chat is the chaotic element of the stream and the streamer is the calm one trying to keep everything together. Even within big corpos this is a thing, since I could consider Calli a cat-herder. She's normally calm or at least attempts to be while the Deadbeats are the ones who drive things off the rails. Unsurprisingly, there's a pretty big overlap between the audiences of Ina, Calli, and Kyuotto (probably the best known "low energy" new indie on the Twitch side). While Kyuotto isn't nearly as big, I do see a few familiar names from the Youtube side in her chat; anyone familiar with Calli's biggest simps will recognize the name Kinkoz Sagan, and he's there all the fucking time; he's under a slightly different name but he's still Kinkoz.

One final note: Ina is definitely clippable even if she isn't bombastic. She's genuinely funny and that's what most people tend to go for. She's not exactly a deadpan comic but she's definitely someone who in a gathering of mixed company will not talk much, but if she does talk will no doubt say something really fucking funny. Ina's first streams with Call of Cthulhu had her making "step on me queen" jokes and I still remember that months later. You can make up for being loud if you're just entertaining. Why Flare doesn't get clipped as often is more than likely just because there aren't as many eyes on her who can actually clip and translate. but she's still the same kind of relaxed vibe who will then go and do something utterly fucking ridiculous like burning a forest down just because she can.

 

[Green Oil]

She raided Polka's closet.

I think Polka more better than her. Her new outfit seems very crowded than Polka.

 

[darkestraven]

I had fun playing the fat plumber stomping things with ground pound, now back to playing the real game.

Fubuki is trying to speedrun Genocide again. What's her goal, 1 hour RTA?

Woah, she's playing the Dub. I'd rather have English Subs but I'll take what I can get. (I'm guessing because she's played it in Japanese before.)

Edit: I just noticed this video has a lot more dislikes than what's expected of the Bugmen, are they out in full force because Sega doesn't give a fuck about her having said Taiwan.

 

[kuuu]

Woah, she's playing the Dub. I'd rather have English Subs but I'll take what I can get. (I'm guessing because she's played it in Japanese before.)

I think they are supposed to promote steam version.

If steam edition then why does the description say PS5?

Yeah, should have been a more generalized statement. They are supposed to promote latest english version release.

 

[Spins Of Our Fathers]

Turns out

I think they are supposed to promote steam version.

If steam edition then why does the description say PS5?