Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

God damn it.

Instead of race-bending Superman, why couldn't they have made a Spawn movie that doesn't suck? (Which I know isn't owned by DC/Warner Bros. but you get my point)

Wait a minute, is is actually a black Superman, or is it Coates writing a film about Superman having all sorts of white privilege and stuff?

Nowadays, we have that incompetent buffoon Kylo Ren, that joke of a general named Hux, that nobody named Snoke, discount Thrawn who loses to kiddie Scooby-Doo antics, Team Rocket Inquisitors who get beaten down a lot, and the best we get is Moff Gus Fring with a platoon of Battle Android Troopers masquerading as Dark Troopers? (Which incidentally, makes him more akin to a Cobra villain from GI Joe than most SW villains, especially since he's got very limited resources compared to Imperial Remnant Warlords.)

Don't forget that they turned Palpatine from a guileful authoritarian to a generic "destroy the _____" retarded villain who apparently likes to fuck women, with or arguably without their consent.

As for Hux, he was too young and too much of a blowhard.

He was not menacing in any of these films, mostly due to his youth. This is what happens when you make something that's both a remake and a sequel like this. Hux is trying to fill the Tarkin role and it ends up being clunky and inferior. Ren tried to fill the Vader role and it ends up being clunky and inferior.

SW is never getting fixed nor the sequels retconned because those desires are believed to be controversial and politically wrong by the powers that be. Things will never get better unless by some miracle or freak accident SW ends up getting sold to someone that cares or all of its corrupt staff (even those within Disney) get replaced with people that give a damn, but that's about as likely to happen as me praising Dr. Aphra and begging to suck her repulsive cyberfutacock. And if SW were to get unfucked from Disney and all of its creative leeches replaced, well, it definitely wouldn't happen within this fucking century.

You know it's real bad when main actors from the prequel era (Hayden Christensen, Obi-Wan Kenobi) want to come back to play Star Wars and actors from the sequel era (Ridley, Boyega and Isaac) don't.

 

[The Valeyard]

Wait a minute, is is actually a black Superman, or is it Coates writing a film about Superman having all sorts of white privilege and stuff?

If they aren't making Clark Kent black, the reboot will be about Barack Obama Calvin Ellis who is the Superman of Earth 23 and President of the United States in his civilian identity.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Yes, we are being a tad bit autistic here. But my point is that these warlord remnants actually tried to scavenge the old Empire instead of running away and forming their own faux-empire with none of the good and all of the bad.

Nah this thread is "baby's first step to autism" compared to Autism Personify that is Spacebattles VS. and General Sci-Fi subforums.

 

[jspit2.0]

If they aren't making Clark Kent black, the reboot will be about Barack Obama Calvin Ellis who is the Superman of Earth 23 and President of the United States in his civilian identity.

That's what Michael B Jordan wanted if he played the role.

Calvin is a fucking stupid character.

I do found it interesting how At least two actors have spoken positive of Gina from Mandalorian since her firing.

Bill has been a trouble maker for a while. Always thought it odd he wasn't cancelled yet.

Around the black hole that has become Star Wars!

Obi-Wan has apparently cast Indira Varma. Probably as an inquisitor? Got to parse through the intersectionality bullshit.

LFM is reporting rumors that Hera, another Filoni OC from Rebels, will replace Cara Dun in Rangers. I think this was planted to see fan reaction.

They're apparently releasing some Sequel Trilogy Merch! Coming in September you to can own what is pretty much a Stormtrooper helmet! Only 100 bucks!

In the fandom menace, the tism remains strong!

Doomcuck is continuing his Civil War narrative. Midnight's Edge continues to follow this narrative, tying fact and theory together as well as you can. It's just not plausible for KK and Jon Favreau to be at war and for Carano to get fired out from under him.

EFAP, who have their own thread on here and who built their channel hating on the Sequels, have been oddly silent. They took some blowback for applying their obnoxious, nitpicking criticism to Mando. They appear to be focusing more on the DCEU as a safer bet.

They're all missing the point. This shit has killed the momentum. You had something that was working. It shouldn't have worked. It wasn't very good. But people bought in. They bought into it on here. They couldn't accept a win and now? Now the cornerstone of Disney's current financial revenue is threatened because of a literal fucking Karen and her flying monkeys.

 

[make_it_so]

The premise of the show is that the Bad Batch is taking on "daring mercenary missions" in the aftermath of the Clone Wars, so we're not going to see them working for the Empire.

Oh, okay, so Filoni and company are not going to be doing something interesting. Well, good, now I know I won't be missing anything.

Obi-Wan has apparently cast Indira Varma. Probably as an inquisitor? Got to parse through the intersectionality bullshit.

I think she'll be playing "stronk female character #136" that was rumored to be the one to Obi-Wan the ropes on how to survive on Tatooine a few pages ago. Because as we all know, a Jedi Master and general couldn't possibly have made it on his own on Tatooine.

LFM is reporting rumors that Hera, another Filoni OC from Rebels, will replace Cara Dun in Rangers. I think this was planted to see fan reaction.

Hera is one of the better Disney-era characters, and yeah this is probably fan bait, but I would really hope they don't do this. I mean, she's been fighting since before A New Hope, and she has a son now. Let her go off and be a mother and enjoy some years of peace and happiness, for crying out loud.

 

[The Valeyard]

Hera is one of the better Disney-era characters, and yeah this is probably fan bait, but I would really hope they don't do this. I mean, she's been fighting since before A New Hope, and she has a son now. Let her go off and be a mother and enjoy some years of peace and happiness, for crying out loud.

While I agree with you, in canon Hera is involved with the New Republic as she was leading Project Starhawk in Star Wars: Squadrons.

 

[James Roancrest]

Nope, still done with Nu-Wars. I'm not even mad about Gina Carano being fired for her inoffensive political opinions, I was just annoyed that a company would torpedo its own momentum and stories for brownie points. I have no interest in Star Wars under its current leadership, or lack thereof.

I will keep listening to Legends audiobooks, though. I am currently going through Outbound Flight.

 

[Oats12345]

That's what Michael B Jordan wanted if he played the role.

Calvin is a fucking stupid character.



Bill has been a trouble maker for a while. Always thought it odd he wasn't cancelled yet.

Around the black hole that has become Star Wars!

Obi-Wan has apparently cast Indira Varma. Probably as an inquisitor? Got to parse through the intersectionality bullshit.

LFM is reporting rumors that Hera, another Filoni OC from Rebels, will replace Cara Dun in Rangers. I think this was planted to see fan reaction.

They're apparently releasing some Sequel Trilogy Merch! Coming in September you to can own what is pretty much a Stormtrooper helmet! Only 100 bucks!

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In the fandom menace, the tism remains strong!

Doomcuck is continuing his Civil War narrative. Midnight's Edge continues to follow this narrative, tying fact and theory together as well as you can. It's just not plausible for KK and Jon Favreau to be at war and for Carano to get fired out from under him.

EFAP, who have their own thread on here and who built their channel hating on the Sequels, have been oddly silent. They took some blowback for applying their obnoxious, nitpicking criticism to Mando. They appear to be focusing more on the DCEU as a safer bet.

They're all missing the point. This shit has killed the momentum. You had something that was working. It shouldn't have worked. It wasn't very good. But people bought in. They bought into it on here. They couldn't accept a win and now? Now the cornerstone of Disney's current financial revenue is threatened because of a literal fucking Karen and her flying monkeys.

Honeslty I would love to see a Inquisitor in the obi Wan series.

Oh, okay, so Filoni and company are not going to be doing something interesting. Well, good, now I know I won't be missing anything.

I think she'll be playing "stronk female character #136" that was rumored to be the one to Obi-Wan the ropes on how to survive on Tatooine a few pages ago. Because as we all know, a Jedi Master and general couldn't possibly have made it on his own on Tatooine.

Hera is one of the better Disney-era characters, and yeah this is probably fan bait, but I would really hope they don't do this. I mean, she's been fighting since before A New Hope, and she has a son now. Let her go off and be a mother and enjoy some years of peace and happiness, for crying out loud.

I don't know, I mean I like Hera as a character. But I don't know how I feel of her being the main character for a star wars show. I feel you can have her as a supporting character. But not main character.

Other than the Obi-Wan series. I lost a lot of excitement over live action star wars shows

 

[Creep3r]

Skip to 3:25 in the video to get past the Lucasfilm Civil War bullshit.

Disappointed ME ate Doomcock's civil war bullshit up and is becoming no better than the rest of the e-celebs taking advantage of disgruntled fans to get famous quick.

Still, its interesting to see Bill Burr speak up and show genuine concern for what's going on.

Nah this thread is "baby's first step to autism" compared to Autism Personify that is Spaceebattles VS. and General Sci-Fi subforums.

Spacebattles is also filled to the brim with fart huffers who take their imaginary vs shit and views way too seriously.

Oh, okay, so Filoni and company are not going to be doing something interesting. Well, good, now I know I won't be missing anything.

I think she'll be playing "stronk female character #136" that was rumored to be the one to Obi-Wan the ropes on how to survive on Tatooine a few pages ago. Because as we all know, a Jedi Master and general couldn't possibly have made it on his own on Tatooine.

Hera is one of the better Disney-era characters, and yeah this is probably fan bait, but I would really hope they don't do this. I mean, she's been fighting since before A New Hope, and she has a son now. Let her go off and be a mother and enjoy some years of peace and happiness, for crying out loud.

While I agree with you, in canon Hera is involved with the New Republic as she was leading Project Starhawk in Star Wars: Squadrons.

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Disney has been milking the character quite a lot (who is basically a Jan Ors wannabe right down to having the same VA), almost as much as Ahsoka. She's even one of the main protags of the shitty Alphabet Squadron books and she was even a recurring character for a time in the shittier Dr. Aphra comics. And in all instances her son is non-existent.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Nah this thread is "baby's first step to autism" compared to Autism Personify that is Spacebattles VS. and General Sci-Fi subforums.

Don't remind me of those places. They're practically autism personified.

Disappointed ME ate Doomcock's civil war bullshit up and is becoming no better than the rest of the e-celebs taking advantage of disgruntled fans to get famous quick.

I'm not really that surprised. A lot of people put their faith on Filoni and Favreau. Part of me wants to give those two full power over Lucasfilm, just to see how the fanboys react when they opt not to retcon the Sequels.

Still, its interesting to see Bill Burr speak up and show genuine concern for what's going on.

He's a comedian, he's funny.

Spacebattles is also filled to the brim with fart huffers who take their imaginary vs shit and views way too seriously.

Not to mention people who think their fanfic versions of Star Wars and Star Trek are more canon than the actual lore books.

It takes a special kind of autistic weirdo to think your own fan calculations for things like starship firepower are more canon than the actual books. Unless the books themselves are decreed to be full of lies and misinformation, that doesn't work that way. But you couldn't tell that from the idiots who frequent those sites.

For example, there's more than enough quotes from Disney SW and Legends SW books that state that turbolasers and other ship weapons can decimate planetary surfaces a la planetary glassing from Halo or Exterminatus from 40K. But some of the people who frequent those sites, especially Trekkies, keep insisting that SW ship weapons are far below megaton range, EVEN THOUGH BOTH THE TECH MANUALS AND THE NOVELS BLATANTLY SAY OTHERWISE. As if a civilization that's been flying around in space for 25,000 years isn't capable of making weapons of mass destruction that can devastate a planet's surface.

Disney has been milking the character quite a lot (who is basically a Jan Ors wannabe right down to having the same VA), almost as much as Ahsoka. She's even one of the main protags of the shitty Alphabet Squadron books and she was even a recurring character for a time in the shittier Dr. Aphra comics. And in all instances her son is non-existent.
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I've got to say, it is kind of funny seeing Hera trussed up like a gift that way. I suppose even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Spacebattles is also filled to the brim with fart huffers who take their imaginary vs shit and views way too seriously.

Always been that way especially the Total Annihilation fans after the game creators canonized the fanfics with the "biggaton" weapon yields way back in 2000-02.

Not to mention people who think their fanfic versions of Star Wars and Star Trek are more canon than the actual lore books.

It takes a special kind of autistic weirdo to think your own fan calculations for things like starship firepower are more canon than the actual books. Unless the books themselves are decreed to be full of lies and misinformation, that doesn't work that way. But you couldn't tell that from the idiots who frequent those sites.

edit: SB.com lasted for this cause the forum members call BS if and when someone tries to intentionally pass off faulty calculations as legit. As bad it can get the forum owner, mod staff and the users know their word is only good if the information and calculations are solid. Hence tbe constant autistic rule lawyering and demands for sources.

For example, there's more than enough quotes from Disney SW and Legends SW books that state that turbolasers and other ship weapons can decimate planetary surfaces a la planetary glassing from Halo or Exterminatus from 40K. But the people who frequent those sites, especially Trekkies, keep insisting that SW ship weapons are far below megaton range, EVEN THOUGH BOTH THE TECH MANUALS AND THE NOVELS BLATANTLY SAY OTHERWISE.

Will defend SB.com on this as long as I can remembered the forum owne(s), mods and userbase alway had little tolerance for people shitting up the site using non-canon headcanon against established canon.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Always been that way especially the Total Annihilation fans after the game creators canonized the fanfics with the "biggaton" weapon yields way back in 2000-02.

But of course, books from both Legends and Disney canon that describe SW ship firepower as being able to scour continents and glass worlds are not canon in the eyes of some of them.

Some of them would even use the term "official, but not canon". As if canon was only restricted to films.........

Granted, there are some people on those boards who do accept the official firepower calcs there, but they have to contend with the usual "it makes no sense" arguments from other board members.

What's on the page of the book is canon, regardless of opinions.

If I had a science fiction series, and my company came out with a book detailing the firepower of the ships in my series, that shit's canon unless I say otherwise myself. The fact that a lot of people on that board have a lot of problems accepting what's on the page of the book as canon goes to show how far they're reaching when it's logical for those ships to have that kind of firepower since A) the novels constantly describe them being able to depopulate/glass a planet, and B) it's a civilization that's lasted for 25,000 years. I feel bad for the poor saps on those boards who have to argue such basic facts with people who insist on their headcanon trumping SW canon.

 

[ZMOT]

They're all missing the point. This shit has killed the momentum. You had something that was working. It shouldn't have worked. It wasn't very good. But people bought in. They bought into it on here. They couldn't accept a win and now? Now the cornerstone of Disney's current financial revenue is threatened because of a literal fucking Karen and her flying monkeys.

the thing is star wars never good either. hold the ratings, what I mean it's nothing mindblowing in itself, in the end it's just space wizards and the monomyth and a mix where the sum becomes bigger than the parts combined.

that's why I was always saying you could basically tell any story in the star wars universe, it doesn't even have to be good, just solid. a 5/10 (as in average) story you read and heard plenty of times before, but in a star wars veneer? suddenly it's an 7 or even 8/10. warhammer works the same way, because the source material is open enough with plenty of room to fill it. and that's why mandalorian worked as well, it might have been bland, but it was STAR WARS and good enough to be entertaining - compared to the ST where you were getting whiplash from having your suspension of disbelief broken constantly.

entertainment works like a magic trick, you need to be distracted enough to not notice the plot holes and poor characterizations, and if you do the distraction better make up for it. the better the latter the less distractions you need.
what I mean is at the end of the day disney is basically randy pitchford.

 

[That Chris Guy]

The hacks retconned that as him being puppeteered by Palpatine since leaving Luke's academy in some cringy fight scene.
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And Rey felt it for some reason despite that Disney shit claims they could only sense each other because of the shitty little Force bond they had in TFA. A literal dindu.

And the guy he's fighting is just bizarro Anakin but as a "gentleman".
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Feels like every new villain under Disney is just a knockoff of Vader, Tarkin and Palpatine.

The only thing I wondered while looking at that comic strip - besides how bad the dialogue is - was why Kylo Ren is fighting Gray Fox.

 

[Creep3r]

So apparently Bob Chapek spoke at a Telecommunications conference the other day about the future of Disney and things going forward.

https://wdwnt.com/2021/03/bob-chapek-talks-about-disney-at-morgan-stanley-conference-users-watch-history-could-shape-disney-parks-vacation-planning/

He revealed Disney's primary shift towards streaming and was "surprised" to learn that over 50% of the Disney+ subscribers were adults without children... Color me shocked. He brings up Marvel quite a bit but he barely mentions SW. Just saying that he doesn't feel there will be a fatigue towards Marvel shit or "Lucasfilm". He also mentions one of the Galaxy's Edge rides and how he plans to use Disney+ to help mold the parks to create the "perfect park".

Its a whole lot of nothing and investor ass kissing while hiding any drama and bullshit, but its amusing that he admits that the majority of Disney+ aficionados are manchildren, although there's a good chance a lot of them just have it for free.

what I mean is at the end of the day disney is basically randy pitchford.

Disturbingly fitting.

 

[Oats12345]

So apparently Bob Chapek spoke at a Telecommunications conference the other day about the future of Disney and things going forward.

https://wdwnt.com/2021/03/bob-chapek-talks-about-disney-at-morgan-stanley-conference-users-watch-history-could-shape-disney-parks-vacation-planning/

He revealed Disney's primary shift towards streaming and was "surprised" to learn that over 50% of the Disney+ subscribers were adults without children... Color me shocked. He brings up Marvel quite a bit but he barely mentions SW. Just saying that he doesn't feel there will be a fatigue towards Marvel shit or "Lucasfilm". He also mentions one of the Galaxy's Edge rides and how he plans to use Disney+ to help mold the parks to create the "perfect park".

Its a whole lot of nothing and investor ass kissing while hiding any drama and bullshit, but its amusing that he admits that the majority of Disney+ aficionados are manchildren, although there's a good chance a lot of them just have it for free.

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Disturbingly fitting.

That is funny. Most of it being manchilden how much I bet you there the crybabies on Twitter

 

[jspit2.0]

So apparently Bob Chapek spoke at a Telecommunications conference the other day about the future of Disney and things going forward.

https://wdwnt.com/2021/03/bob-chapek-talks-about-disney-at-morgan-stanley-conference-users-watch-history-could-shape-disney-parks-vacation-planning/

Good stuff Mant-Man!

He revealed Disney's primary shift towards streaming and was "surprised" to learn that over 50% of the Disney+ subscribers were adults without children... Color me shocked.

Sarcasm? Because that number is great considering...

*Disney+ isn't available outside of Europe, India, USA, Canada, and Australia/NZ.

*Demographically speaking, these countries have greying populations outside of the USA and India. Even then, you the issue of affordability. Know who has disposable income? Old people and young people without kids.

*Still, half of your subscriber base has children, with all those greying Euro/Cannuck countries dragging you down

He brings up Marvel quite a bit but he barely mentions SW. Just saying that he doesn't feel there will be a fatigue towards Marvel shit or "Lucasfilm". He also mentions one of the Galaxy's Edge rides and how he plans to use Disney+ to help mold the parks to create the "perfect park".

That's typical. There won't be fatigue because fatigue isn't real. Nobody complains about more of a good thing. People will get fed up with Marvel once it repeatedly shits the bed ala Star Wars.

Its a whole lot of nothing and investor ass kissing while hiding any drama and bullshit, but its amusing that he admits that the majority of Disney+ aficionados are manchildren, although there's a good chance a lot of them just have it for free.

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Disturbingly fitting.

I disagree. Disney+ has an insane library of ill gotten goods. From Star Wars to Fox properties. It's a full service despite Disney's lack of creativity due to the sheer number of poached content from acquisitions. Now, whether they get to keep all those licenses....

Any bail out should require them to disgorge Fox at the very least.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

the thing is star wars never good either. hold the ratings, what I mean it's nothing mindblowing in itself, in the end it's just space wizards and the monomyth and a mix where the sum becomes bigger than the parts combined.

Er, no. There were times when Star Wars was genuinely good. The release of the Star Wars Original Trilogy proved to be that shot in the arm America needed after the turmoil of the 70s erased the cheerful optimism of the 50s and 60s. I'm not saying that Star Wars single-handedly brought America out of its stupor after Vietnam, but it did help, and it inspired other series that also became household names. Why? Because it was objectively good. And even with the Space Wizards, their powers were limited to an extent where you can tell what one can and cannot do with the Force, not to mention the science fiction aspect was more hard sci-fi than Star Trek ever was:

So you can't just say "LOL Star Wars is just Space Wizards/Monomyth" when those descriptions are at best, surface-level, and it was the characterization, the atmosphere, and the storytelling that elevated Star Wars over other dime-a-dozen sci-fi works that mostly got ignored.

that's why I was always saying you could basically tell any story in the star wars universe, it doesn't even have to be good, just solid. a 5/10 (as in average) story you read and heard plenty of times before, but in a star wars veneer? suddenly it's an 7 or even 8/10. warhammer works the same way, because the source material is open enough with plenty of room to fill it. and that's why mandalorian worked as well, it might have been bland, but it was STAR WARS and good enough to be entertaining - compared to the ST where you were getting whiplash from having your suspension of disbelief broken constantly.

Again, NO. There are good Star Wars stories, there are BAD Star Wars stories, and just slapping a Star Wars label on a story doesn't make it suddenly good. It has to stand up to a certain level of objective quality for it to truly be worthy of that title, hence why bad SW works are practically targets of derision by the fanbase, like how people make fun of the Republic Commando novels for being Mary Sue books except with sparkly Space Marines. As for Warhammer, again, the same thing goes, except you can be more loose with the lore since it's not all officially true. The Mandalorian was just average, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. If the Mandalorian came out in 2006 or 2008, people wouldn't be as enthralled with it as they are now, because the lack of good Star Wars content starved them to the point where just a dash of average SW content was like water turned into wine for them.

entertainment works like a magic trick, you need to be distracted enough to not notice the plot holes and poor characterizations, and if you do the distraction better make up for it. the better the latter the less distractions you need.
what I mean is at the end of the day disney is basically randy pitchford.

Not really. For entertainment to actually WORK, it has to stand up to the test of time, like the OT did. Same with KOTOR, the Thrawn Trilogy, classic Battlefront II, and other works that are beloved by fans to this day-they repeatedly go through these pieces of entertainment again and again, because they were genuinely good. The plot holes weren't that big, the characterizations ranged from OK to very well done, and they stand up as works on their own to the point where even if you didn't see the OT, they would still work.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

So apparently Bob Chapek spoke at a Telecommunications conference the other day about the future of Disney and things going forward.

https://wdwnt.com/2021/03/bob-chapek-talks-about-disney-at-morgan-stanley-conference-users-watch-history-could-shape-disney-parks-vacation-planning/

He revealed Disney's primary shift towards streaming and was "surprised" to learn that over 50% of the Disney+ subscribers were adults without children... Color me shocked. He brings up Marvel quite a bit but he barely mentions SW. Just saying that he doesn't feel there will be a fatigue towards Marvel shit or "Lucasfilm". He also mentions one of the Galaxy's Edge rides and how he plans to use Disney+ to help mold the parks to create the "perfect park".

Its a whole lot of nothing and investor ass kissing while hiding any drama and bullshit, but its amusing that he admits that the majority of Disney+ aficionados are manchildren, although there's a good chance a lot of them just have it for free.

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Disturbingly fitting.

Isn't D+ included in most/all Verizon plans in the US? Most of those would be adults, and Verizon is the largest carrier in the US by subscribers. Not surprised a lot of non-families when including that bunch.

Edit: I'm more and more convinced that, aside from the coof, the reason big media is pushing streaming is they can more easily obfuscate the numbers. Be it subscribers, viewers, success, etc.

 

[ZMOT]

So you can't just say "LOL Star Wars is just Space Wizards/Monomyth" when those descriptions are at best, surface-level, and it was the characterization, the atmosphere, and the storytelling that elevated Star Wars over other dime-a-dozen sci-fi works that mostly got ignored.

hence me saying sum greater than it's parts. the individual parts are nothing extraordinary, it's the combination (and a good dose of luck). even the special effects are debatable because at some point some else would've come up with it, you can only be stagnant for so long (boy this is gonna bring in the ratings).

it's also easy to go backwards with "unpopular = shit" - that's not how it works.

Again, NO. There are good Star Wars stories, there are BAD Star Wars stories, and just slapping a Star Wars label on a story doesn't make it suddenly good. It has to stand up to a certain level of objective quality for it to truly be worthy of that title, hence why bad SW works are practically targets of derision by the fanbase, like how people make fun of the Republic Commando novels for being Mary Sue books except with sparkly Space Marines. As for Warhammer, again, the same thing goes, except you can be more loose with the lore since it's not all officially true. The Mandalorian was just average, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. If the Mandalorian came out in 2006 or 2008, people wouldn't be as enthralled with it as they are now, because the lack of good Star Wars content starved them to the point where just a dash of average SW content was like water turned into wine for them.

average means between good and bad. there's a scale, not absolutes. also "good" in terms of personal enjoyment is highly subjective (obviously).
and even shit stuff that gets elevated by the brand, which means people will buy (and sometimes enjoy it) because it's the brand. that's how it works. remember, TFA made 2 billion, and TROS made 1 billion. one man's trash is another man's treasure. and again, since it's a scale even 7/10 stuff can be "good", especially when you can't constantly output 10/10 stuff.

transplanting a story and make it fit the new universe also has nothing to do with the quality of the story itself, but your adaption. you can have the best story in the world, but if you don't care to properly set it in it's new framework it doesn't matter when the rules don't make sense and the story you want to tell completely absurd.

Not really. For entertainment to actually WORK, it has to stand up to the test of time, like the OT did. Same with KOTOR, the Thrawn Trilogy, classic Battlefront II, and other works that are beloved by fans to this day-they repeatedly go through these pieces of entertainment again and again, because they were genuinely good. The plot holes weren't that big, the characterizations ranged from OK to very well done, and they stand up as works on their own to the point where even if you didn't see the OT, they would still work.

again, that's why I said "the better the latter the less distractions you need."
but following that logic, there was plenty of great stuff 100, 500, 1000 years ago you don't even remember - does that mean they're shit? because after all they can't have been this great if people forgot about them. and what about people that like trash? ed wood movies are by and large considered pretty crappy, won't stand the test of time and are objectively not good at all, yet there are plenty of people that enjoyed them, time and time again for decades. why is that?