The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

People really trying to insist women should only be wives/mothers and shouldn't take their meds in a thread where the Andrea Yates cause has been brought up numerous times. You'd think dead baby soup in the bathtub would be proof enough that some women shouldn't go through pregnancy/childbirth and need to take their psych meds.
 
Can you write like a normal person btw? This "ummm ACKSHUALLY" shit is really snide and feminine.
I get a childish fun out of getting someone to reply repeatedly after they tell me to fuck off twice. It's just funny to me someone tries to play off that they're so above it all but keep responding anyways. Like we're not all mucking around in the mud here.

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People really trying to insist women should only be wives/mothers and shouldn't take their meds in a thread where the Andrea Yates cause has been brought up numerous times. You'd think dead baby soup in the bathtub would be proof enough that some women shouldn't go through pregnancy/childbirth and need to take their psych meds.
I don't ... think anyone has said you shouldn't be taking antipsychotics if you need them?

Is that where we're at now? If you're on mental health medication, take it. I mean, you probably shouldn't be a mother. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that? Or that women only exist to be wives/mothers? I think most women probably feel fulfilled being one, same as most men feel fulfilled being fathers. Not everyone is suitable to be one. I'd be fine with people like you being sterilised.

But the solution isn't baby killing. Abortion isn't a contraceptive. Not having sex, or using actual contraceptives are.

EDIT: "I fucked up, kill this baby" is a position I fundamentally disagree with, there's nuance sure, and there's specific circumstances, but the overall 'not killing babies' thing is pretty much where the line in the sand is.
 
I don't ... think anyone has said you shouldn't be taking antipsychotics if you need them?
You're going to discover for yourself that android raptor's relation to the truth is tenuous at times. She'll say things that are considerable exaggerations of what took place.

I'll say single mothers result in worse kids compared to two parents, and it will refract through the android prism into "single mothers are evil". I don't think it is intentional.
 
But the solution isn't baby killing. Abortion isn't a contraceptive. Not having sex, or using actual contraceptives are.
It's not. Abortion is for when contraception fails or wasn't available. No one is using abortion itself as contraception, that would be one hell of an expensive and obnoxious form of contraception.

@The Jokester s post is what I was referring to. I kinda wonder if she's actually a tradcel dude's socks, though ex-fattie tradthot

Related to the subject of muh traditional families, I think the people I know raised in the most conservative, "traditional" families are the ones who ended up with the most issues. No lie, everyone I've met with fundie parents was abused in some way. As fucked as my parents were I'm glad they weren't fundies, I dodged that bullet at least.

Btw women have always worked. It might not have been the same jobs as men, but throughout history unless you were born or married into an upper class you were doing some kind of work in addition to popping out babies. Even the 1950s stereotype of the breadwinner husband and stepford housewife was something primarily limited to the middle class and higher.
 
It's not. Abortion is for when contraception fails or wasn't available. No one is using abortion itself as contraception, that would be one hell of an expensive and obnoxious form of contraception.

@The Jokester s post is what I was referring to. I kinda wonder if she's actually a tradcel dude's socks, though ex-fattie tradthot

Related to the subject of muh traditional families, I think the people I know raised in the most conservative, "traditional" families are the ones who ended up with the most issues. No lie, everyone I've met with fundie parents was abused in some way. As fucked as my parents were I'm glad they weren't fundies, I dodged that bullet at least.

Btw women have always worked. It might not have been the same jobs as men, but throughout history unless you were born or married into an upper class you were doing some kind of work in addition to popping out babies. Even the 1950s stereotype of the breadwinner husband and stepford housewife was something primarily limited to the middle class and higher.
Women worked, but they didn't exist as far as the economy was concerned. Women only emerged as part of the consumer class recently in history. I think that's what people are talking about when they say 'women not working'. Rather than poor people doing whatever they could to get by.
 
For the most part shit is getting better.
I don't know what metrics you're looking at-- at best, you could argue that society as a whole has encountered a zero net change in being better between positive trends (e.g. improving living standards) and negatives (e.g. the acceptance and championing of mentally ill people and children going under the surgeon's knife to mutilate themselves in service of some parody of the opposite sex), but I was referring to specific contexts that are in fact worsening. You may even assert-- without proof-- that things have "always been this way"... except that you're statistically wrong. It's literally untrue, for example that the rates of single motherhood that we have now are anywhere close to the rates we had prior to the sexual revolution and the expansion of the welfare state, and it's untrue that the increases weren't stark.
You've never had sex or been in a relationship before.
This entire time, you've been speaking as though you've never been in a relationship.
It's not. Abortion is for when contraception fails or wasn't available. No one is using abortion itself as contraception, that would be one hell of an expensive and obnoxious form of contraception.
That sounds like a second-level contraceptive...

...you know, unless we're going by that Planned Parenthood pamphlet from the 50s that asserted that abortion is actually baby killing and not a contraceptive.
 
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People really trying to insist women should only be wives/mothers and shouldn't take their meds in a thread where the Andrea Yates cause has been brought up numerous times. You'd think dead baby soup in the bathtub would be proof enough that some women shouldn't go through pregnancy/childbirth and need to take their psych meds.
When I see that I don't think "She shouldn't have had children because she is evil," I think "She should not have done those evil things, and should have raised her children properly instead."
 
When I see that I don't think "She shouldn't have had children because she is evil," I think "She should not have done those evil things, and should have raised her children properly instead."
Andrea Yates literally killed her children because her postpartum psychosis, shitty fundamentalist husband, and her other incredibly severe mental illnesses made her think she wasn't raising them right.
 
When I see that I don't think "She shouldn't have had children because she is evil," I think "She should not have done those evil things, and should have raised her children properly instead."
To be even remotely capable of raising her kids properly she should have been taking her meds instead of just popping out babies. Her constant pregnancies and births undeniably made her mental illness worse. And yeah, some women are just evil and shouldn't have kids.
of mentally ill people and children going under the surgeon's knife to mutilate themselves in service of some parody of the opposite sex), but I was referring to specific contexts that are in fact worsening. You may even assert-- without proof-- that things have "always been this way"... except that you're statistically wrong. It's literally untrue, for example that the rates of single motherhood that we have now are anywhere close to the rates we had prior to the sexual revolution and the expansion of the welfare state, and it's untrue that the increases weren't stark.
As opposed to children being mutilated to keep them from jerking off/to sing/while being forced to give birth/etc.

The reason there were less single mothers was because women were less able to leave bad relationships. Women who got knocked up out of wedlock were also often sent elsewhere, giving the false impression they didn't exist.

Or would you rather return to women being stuck in abusive marriages and unwed mothers being sent to institutions and abused (which sometimes also included actual baby killing).
 
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As opposed to children being mutilated to keep them from jerking off/to sing/while being forced to give birth/etc.
What point are you trying to make? I'm saying that at best the net value of our society is neutral after accounting for all the component vectors. You're talking about what I could only imagine you wanted to place on an axis I alluded to, but that only feeds into my point unless you're arguing that mutilation for X,Y, and Z is better than mutilation for A,B, and C.

The reason there were less single mothers was because women were less able to leave bad relationships.
It's heavily improbable that stark rises in single motherhood all stemmed from this one reason.

Women who got knocked up out of wedlock were also often sent elsewhere
And the sexual revolution suddenly made women more comfortable with fessing to be a single mother, to the point that the rates across all communities with the exception of Asians rose meteorically?
 
It's not. Abortion is for when contraception fails or wasn't available. No one is using abortion itself as contraception, that would be one hell of an expensive and obnoxious form of contraception.

@The Jokester s post is what I was referring to. I kinda wonder if she's actually a tradcel dude's socks, though ex-fattie tradthot

Related to the subject of muh traditional families, I think the people I know raised in the most conservative, "traditional" families are the ones who ended up with the most issues. No lie, everyone I've met with fundie parents was abused in some way. As fucked as my parents were I'm glad they weren't fundies, I dodged that bullet at least.

Btw women have always worked. It might not have been the same jobs as men, but throughout history unless you were born or married into an upper class you were doing some kind of work in addition to popping out babies. Even the 1950s stereotype of the breadwinner husband and stepford housewife was something primarily limited to the middle class and higher.
Haha! You're so insecure that you have to believe I'm a dude or a thot! Brilliant. God forbid another woman have different opinion from you!

No pet, I'm a woman. A woman who at age 19 asked what the fuck feminism did for me when saw all the women around me were all exhausted from trying to raise children, be wives, and work a 9-5 job.

Yes. It is true women have worked before but not to this extent. Women had jobs until marriage in middle class cases and working class women had part time jobs. They weren't chained to an office and forced to prance around talking about their successful wonderful career.

I feel really sad for you because one day you may wake up in your mid to late 30s and you'll hear that clock. Sure, you'll tell me now that you don't want babies. I don't know how old you are but I'll guess and say 18-29. I don't think you've had the baby rabies yet and if I am right, they will come. It will be like something you'll never experience before. I've seen it before. Working women going nuts and spending very penny on IVF when it got too late.

Be wary and remember, your friends will go off and have their own families or they may die younger than you. You will left alone. You will be isolated. You will have nobody to care for you (and your partner if you get one). You will be left to rot with nothing to show for it.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you did miss out and this is your way of making yourself feel better. I hope not.

What do I know, I'm just some dude in loli socks after all.
 
I feel really sad for you because one day you may wake up in your mid to late 30s and you'll hear that clock. Sure, you'll tell me now that you don't want babies. I don't know how old you are but I'll guess and say 18-29. I don't think you've had the baby rabies yet and if I am right, they will come. It will be like something you'll never experience before. I've seen it before. Working women going nuts and spending very penny on IVF when it got too late.

Be wary and remember, your friends will go off and have their own families or they may die younger than you. You will left alone. You will be isolated. You will have nobody to care for you (and your partner if you get one). You will be left to rot with nothing to show for it.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you did miss out and this is your way of making yourself feel better. I hope not.
I'm almost at my mid-30s. The older I get, the more I realize that not only do I not want kids, but having kids would end horrifically. Seeing my friends with kids, especially in covid, only solidified that.

The only "baby rabies" I've experienced is desire to violently eviscerate the ones shrieking at Walmart like a rabid animal. I cannot stand that shit. Babies are just all around repulsive tbh.

Could be worse. I could be dying alone not because I never had kids, but because I was such a shitty,abusive parent that my kids cut off contact years ago.
 
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