Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[protomartyr]

Is Sargon that big after blowing up his own channels and creating that website of his?

The videos on his new channels only get like 30k views. That jew Rekieta gets better numbers.

Seems like he has a smaller but committed audience. More than 2k people on his SubscribeStar, which is a pretty good return off 30k YouTube viewers. If they donate an average of £5pcm, which seems fair given he was apparently requested to open a £50 tier with no advertised upsides besides a Discord rank, he's making six figures pa. He has at least one full-time employee too.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

that Sargon and tim pool are the two most popular right wing commentators on youtube is horrifying. they are both so consistently wrong about almost every topic. it's amazing.

What’s even funnier about that is neither of them are right wing.

 

[Rekkington]

I don't think anyone hates Sargon here. I see him as kind of a sad figure. He went from being a lower middle class gig worker to having big man internet dosh and e-clout, but his reach constantly exceeds his grasp. Because, what he really wants is the respect of normies and all the stuff he's done to get him to where he is so far is the same stuff that makes sure he'll never have that.

Richard Spencer was right, Carl is the guy who has a 110 IQ and is convinced it's 150. his huberious from thst basically just makes him a 21st century greek tragedy.

I never hated him but I recently went back and listened to that whole Sargon Vs. Jim feud and it reignited something. There's just something about his voice and his forced chuckle that is so irritating I have to skip past all his stuff. For a guy whose entire job is talking, he is the absolute worst at talking.
Someone will make an obvious joke, and he'll act bewildered like "you... ACTUALLY think...." For example, Jim makes some comment that implies there's no difference between Liberalists as a group and him as a leader and embodiment of that group due to his own ego, and he'll say something like "nnnnno Jim, I am not personally a... GROUP of people..."

 

[ddlloo]

I never hated him but I recently went back and listened to that whole Sargon Vs. Jim feud and it reignited something. There's just something about his voice and his forced chuckle that is so irritating I have to skip past all his stuff. For a guy whose entire job is talking, he is the absolute worst at talking.
Someone will make an obvious joke, and he'll act bewildered like "you... ACTUALLY think...." For example, Jim makes some comment that implies there's no difference between Liberalists as a group and him as a leader and embodiment of that group due to his own ego, and he'll say something like "nnnnno Jim, I am not personally a... GROUP of people..."

IMO he's just unnecesarily smug, especially when he think's he's making a big brained take or thinks he's found an adversary being a brainlet.

That would be more or less fine if not for the fact he semi frequently would say some incredibly dumb shit that he thought was incredibly smart. Just makes him come off as a bit of a buffoon.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

What’s even funnier about that is neither of them are right wing.

In what world are they not right wing??

Now they are not literally Nazis, but they are definitely right wing. Nothing wrong with that.
I mean if you support right wing political parties, only make content favoring right wing ideologies, only attack left wing ideas and literally spend all there time and platform raging against the left then what the hell are they?.

Any who.
Soo i spent some time trying to look into lotus eaters to see if there is any thing interesting. We have Sargon a rightwing British wanaba politician and the biggest take away is nothing. Boring milketoast "What ever some American pundit said" and then nothing.

There are some really interesting deep political issues going on in the UK, with EU and so on, but he never spoke of them ever. Entire industries getting wiped out in the UK because of red tape and trade. Not a single word said, most likely because it is not a simple "EU BAD" so he can not talk about it because it would take effort.

 

[Rekkington]

In what world are they not right wing??

Now they are not literally Nazis, but they are definitely right wing. Nothing wrong with that.
I mean if you support right wing political parties, only make content favoring right wing ideologies, only attack left wing ideas and literally spend all there time and platform raging against the left then what the hell are they?.

Depends how you define Right Wing. He openly defines himself as a Classical Liberal, ran a group called the Liberalists, and spent a good chunk of time denouncing Right Wing figures which essentially lead to his mental breakdown. This is the guy who not only claimed that Whiteness doesn't exist, but boasted that he had non-white genetics. Even if you ask him about Feminism he'll probably give you the whole Reddit thing about how it's only very recently where it went off the rails. It's like where if you've been a radical Feminist your entire life but you disagree on one thing (trannies) and now you're with the misogynists.
Like all the Skeptics they got branded as radicals because they didn't want to shit their pants about Incels and Pepe, but like sh0eonhead that was just internet stuff and deep down they're just wishy-washy liberals who got swept up in a cool new thing.

You're not Right Wing cause you complain about Left Wing people, if that were the case Jimmy Dore and Chapos Trap House would be Right Wing too. He is Right Wing I suppose if you define all forms of Nationalism as that, which is relatively new and something everyone across the board believed in until like 15 minutes ago. If this dude is on the Right then so is Joe Rogan.

 

[Kingu Cinnamon]

Depends how you define Right Wing. He openly defines himself as a Classical Liberal, ran a group called the Liberalists, and spent a good chunk of time denouncing Right Wing figures which essentially lead to his mental breakdown. This is the guy who not only claimed that Whiteness doesn't exist, but boasted that he had non-white genetics. Even if you ask him about Feminism he'll probably give you the whole Reddit thing about how it's only very recently where it went off the rails. It's like where if you've been a radical Feminist your entire life but you disagree on one thing (trannies) and now you're with the misogynists.
Like all the Skeptics they got branded as radicals because they didn't want to shit their pants about Incels and Pepe, but like sh0eonhead that was just internet stuff and deep down they're just wishy-washy liberals who got swept up in a cool new thing.

You're not Right Wing cause you complain about Left Wing people, if that were the case Jimmy Dore and Chapos Trap House would be Right Wing too. He is Right Wing I suppose if you define all forms of Nationalism as that, which is relatively new and something everyone across the board believed in until like 15 minutes ago. If this dude is on the Right then so is Joe Rogan.

Whilst I agree that focusing mostly on attacking the mainstream left-wing does not disqualify someone from being left themselves, I don't quite agree with your other points.

Just because you call yourself the "Liberalists" doesn't mean anything unless you back it up action or policy, The only thing that is true about the name "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is that it is in Korea, and like Voltaire once stated, the name "The Holy Roman Empire" was completely false.

Many mainstream Conservatives in the US are making efforts to try and appeal to black Americans and don't see race as an issue at all; see all the MAGA accounts tweeting "the Dems are the real racists". On the flip side, Marx was notoriously anti-black and Jewish and IIRC was pro-African colonialization; I don't think anyone would argue that Marx was a pillar of the right because of his defense of white Europeans.

I don't think that the right is at odds with the first and second waves of Feminism. At the time these movements took place, Feminism was almost certainly against Conservatives and traditionalists, but in a modern context, most right-wing groups, bar hardline traditionalists or the alt-right (even then, it would mostly be just the Wig-nats rather than the Am-nats) would still support the narrative that the Feminism of the past was overall good. In the UK, Marget Thatcher, a woman, is one of the most beloved figures by conservatives.

Finally, Sargon has consistently supported right-wing political efforts. His support of Trump in 2016 doesn't seem to be unusual for a left-winger. Many lefties saw Hillary and Trump as more of a question of "who is worse" rather than who was the better candidate and in some cases, many lefties saw Hillary as just another corporate shill and/or wanted to shit all over the establishment (ala. Bernie Bros) Sargon at first went with this narrative, but he became increasingly less critical of Trump even at a time when right-wingers were having their doubts. Sargon has gone on to support and asked his viewers to vote for Marie Le Pen, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and UKIP, all of which are not only right-wing but are considered by the general populous to be either on the edges of the far-right (UKIP and Rees-Mogg) or full-on far-right. I get that Sargon said that he supported these candidates because they were fighting against the establishment and/or the ess-jay-duba-ews, but he would often support the other right-wing parts of their platforms and he failed to criticize the elements of their platforms that anyone that even leans to the left would have a problem with

I want to clarify that I'm not saying it's good or bad if Sargon is left or right. IMO I think Sargon started out as a leftie during GG but over the years has slowly shifted right to the point where he's at least center-right to moderate right. I also realize that I have written an incredibly autistic essay.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

Depends how you define Right Wing. He openly defines himself as a Classical Liberal, ran a group called the Liberalists, and spent a good chunk of time denouncing Right Wing figures which essentially lead to his mental breakdown. This is the guy who not only claimed that Whiteness doesn't exist, but boasted that he had non-white genetics. Even if you ask him about Feminism he'll probably give you the whole Reddit thing about how it's only very recently where it went off the rails. It's like where if you've been a radical Feminist your entire life but you disagree on one thing (trannies) and now you're with the misogynists.
Like all the Skeptics they got branded as radicals because they didn't want to shit their pants about Incels and Pepe, but like sh0eonhead that was just internet stuff and deep down they're just wishy-washy liberals who got swept up in a cool new thing.

You're not Right Wing cause you complain about Left Wing people, if that were the case Jimmy Dore and Chapos Trap House would be Right Wing too. He is Right Wing I suppose if you define all forms of Nationalism as that, which is relatively new and something everyone across the board believed in until like 15 minutes ago. If this dude is on the Right then so is Joe Rogan.

It is not about who you criticize, it is about your political stance and what your actions are. Joe Rogan have taken both right wing, but also left wing positions. He has also supported left wing causes he believes in. There for if he claims that he is left wing then i will believe it. Same with Jimmy Dore and i will assume Trap House also takes left wing positions.

My point is that Sargon is a hypocrite same with Tim Pool. If you are going to be right wing then FUCKING OWN OP TO IT!!. Instead they lie and waffle about "No i am totally a left wing, but i agree with the right on every thing and only make content about how awesome the right is and how bad the left is" and it never changes.

You can not vote right, only support the right, only talk badly about the left and give the RIGHT a free pass at all times.

Right now there are some massive issues in the UK. They are related to the government in charge right now as there was a ton of miss managements, massive issues, bad planning and a ton of problems. If this was a labor government you would see Sargon shitting him self in anger every day, but when it is the conservatives that hurt British buisness. Then Sargon is not willing to speak out.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

It is not about who you criticize, it is about your political stance and what your actions are. Joe Rogan have taken both right wing, but also left wing positions. He has also supported left wing causes he believes in. There for if he claims that he is left wing then i will believe it. Same with Jimmy Dore and i will assume Trap House also takes left wing positions.

My point is that Sargon is a hypocrite same with Tim Pool. If you are going to be right wing then FUCKING OWN OP TO IT!!. Instead they lie and waffle about "No i am totally a left wing, but i agree with the right on every thing and only make content about how awesome the right is and how bad the left is" and it never changes.

You can not vote right, only support the right, only talk badly about the left and give the RIGHT a free pass at all times.

Right now there are some massive issues in the UK. They are related to the government in charge right now as there was a ton of miss managements, massive issues, bad planning and a ton of problems. If this was a labor government you would see Sargon shitting him self in anger every day, but when it is the conservatives that hurt British buisness. Then Sargon is not willing to speak out.

I kinda get what you mean. Owning up to a position and all.

But dude, 80s leftists today are considered "right-wing". The left-right spectrum is a retarded way of seeing politics.

Noan Chomsky's Manufactured Consent/Propaganda Model is now talked about in the "dissident right" circles as Moldbug's Cathedral.

Tim and Carl are just 90s "lefties", they're pretenders, they won't own a position, they want to do what they want without crowds or governments telling them what to do. Essentially they don't want to be adults. But they're just weirded out about the rampant gayness, tranny and the general degenerate bugmen shit that's currently manifested in what's perceived as "the left-wing" and pop culture these days. That's the crux of the Anti-SJW crowd. Neither Tim or Carl will ever go to church every sunday nor they will ever pick up the shovel at the factory.

 

[Rekkington]

Whilst I agree that focusing mostly on attacking the mainstream left-wing does not disqualify someone from being left themselves, I don't quite agree with your other points.

Just because you call yourself the "Liberalists" doesn't mean anything unless you back it up action or policy, The only thing that is true about the name "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is that it is in Korea, and like Voltaire once stated, the name "The Holy Roman Empire" was completely false.

Many mainstream Conservatives in the US are making efforts to try and appeal to black Americans and don't see race as an issue at all; see all the MAGA accounts tweeting "the Dems are the real racists". On the flip side, Marx was notoriously anti-black and Jewish and IIRC was pro-African colonialization; I don't think anyone would argue that Marx was a pillar of the right because of his defense of white Europeans.

I don't think that the right is at odds with the first and second waves of Feminism. At the time these movements took place, Feminism was almost certainly against Conservatives and traditionalists, but in a modern context, most right-wing groups, bar hardline traditionalists or the alt-right (even then, it would mostly be just the Wig-nats rather than the Am-nats) would still support the narrative that the Feminism of the past was overall good. In the UK, Marget Thatcher, a woman, is one of the most beloved figures by conservatives.

Finally, Sargon has consistently supported right-wing political efforts. His support of Trump in 2016 doesn't seem to be unusual for a left-winger. Many lefties saw Hillary and Trump as more of a question of "who is worse" rather than who was the better candidate and in some cases, many lefties saw Hillary as just another corporate shill and/or wanted to shit all over the establishment (ala. Bernie Bros) Sargon at first went with this narrative, but he became increasingly less critical of Trump even at a time when right-wingers were having their doubts. Sargon has gone on to support and asked his viewers to vote for Marie Le Pen, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and UKIP, all of which are not only right-wing but are considered by the general populous to be either on the edges of the far-right (UKIP and Rees-Mogg) or full-on far-right. I get that Sargon said that he supported these candidates because they were fighting against the establishment and/or the ess-jay-duba-ews, but he would often support the other right-wing parts of their platforms and he failed to criticize the elements of their platforms that anyone that even leans to the left would have a problem with

I want to clarify that I'm not saying it's good or bad if Sargon is left or right. IMO I think Sargon started out as a leftie during GG but over the years has slowly shifted right to the point where he's at least center-right to moderate right. I also realize that I have written an incredibly autistic essay.

You can believe he is a secret Right Winger cause he doesn't criticize Jacob Rees-Moog enough, but he says he's a Liberal, he founded a group called the Liberalists, and nothing he has said or done is actually outside of what Liberals would believe as recently as the 90s. Like that whole Trump point you made, you say that he stopped critizing Trump as people on the Right increased their criticisms of him; I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. You also said that Feminists hated Conservatives, but Conservatives must like Feminists because they liked Margaret Thatcher, and the only people who would hate Feminists would be Traditionalist Nazis seems to imply you think Sargon is a Nazi. I just don't really follow any of this. I'm going to go ahead and say he's just a dumb Liberal cause he essentially calls himself a Liberal and he does dumb things.

 

[Kingu Cinnamon]

You can believe he is a secret Right Winger cause he doesn't criticize Jacob Rees-Moog enough, but he says he's a Liberal, he founded a group called the Liberalists, and nothing he has said or done is actually outside of what Liberals would believe as recently as the 90s. Like that whole Trump point you made, you say that he stopped critizing Trump as people on the Right increased their criticisms of him; I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. You also said that Feminists hated Conservatives, but Conservatives must like Feminists because they liked Margaret Thatcher, and the only people who would hate Feminists would be Traditionalist Nazis seems to imply you think Sargon is a Nazi. I just don't really follow any of this. I'm going to go ahead and say he's just a dumb Liberal cause he essentially calls himself a Liberal and he does dumb things.

I don't think he is some crypto right-winger, I think he is someone who has called himself a left-winger all his life doesn't want to admit his politics have changed slowly over time. It not that he doesn't criticize Jacob Rees-Mogg enough, it the fact that he blindly supports and advocates his audience votes for Mogg, Le Pen, Trump, etc and went as far as to join and run for UKIP
It doesn't matter what he calls himself. I guess Ethan Ralph is a devout Christian because he says he is. My Trump point was that Sargon blindly follows anyone who is anti-SJW to such an extent that he sucked Trump's dick even when many on the right were calling Trump a retard. I never said that Feminists hated Conservatives or vice versa, what I was stated is that Conservatives in the '60s to '80s would probably be opposed to 2nd Wave Feminism but Conservatives in 2020 don't reject everything 2nd Wave Feminists argued for and most Conservatives and mainstream right-wingers aren't gonna stand up and tell women that they belong in the kitchen or that gender payment laws should be reversed; The main groups of people who are going to do are people who base their ideology on religious traditions such as devout Christians, Jews or Muslims or People who go back to the '40s. I never said that to be against 2nd Wave feminsm you have to be a Nazi or that somehow Sargon is a Nazi. I think that Sargon thinks he is a liberal and he was a liberal that has slightly shifted towards the right. I also think Sargon is a retard that doesn't know fuck all.

P.S When I say Conservative I mean in a Europoor context so if you are American, replace Conservative with moderate rightwinger.

 

[Rekkington]

I don't think he is some crypto right-winger, I think he is someone who has called himself a left-winger all his life doesn't want to admit his politics have changed slowly over time. It not that he doesn't criticize Jacob Rees-Mogg enough, it the fact that he blindly supports and advocates his audience votes for Mogg, Le Pen, Trump, etc and went as far as to join and run for UKIP
It doesn't matter what he calls himself. I guess Ethan Ralph is a devout Christian because he says he is. My Trump point was that Sargon blindly follows anyone who is anti-SJW to such an extent that he sucked Trump's dick even when many on the right were calling Trump a retard. I never said that Feminists hated Conservatives or vice versa, what I was stated is that Conservatives in the '60s to '80s would probably be opposed to 2nd Wave Feminism but Conservatives in 2020 don't reject everything 2nd Wave Feminists argued for and most Conservatives and mainstream right-wingers aren't gonna stand up and tell women that they belong in the kitchen or that gender payment laws should be reversed; The main groups of people who are going to do are people who base their ideology on religious traditions such as devout Christians, Jews or Muslims or People who go back to the '40s. I never said that to be against 2nd Wave feminsm you have to be a Nazi or that somehow Sargon is a Nazi. I think that Sargon thinks he is a liberal and he was a liberal that has slightly shifted towards the right. I also think Sargon is a retard that doesn't know fuck all.

P.S When I say Conservative I mean in a Europoor context so if you are American, replace Conservative with moderate rightwinger.

Literally all your political examples are Sargon not knowing the issues and only going with what is shitposty and trendy, but for some reason you think this means he's drifted Right.
You can believe everyone is a liar and secretly this or that, all I'm saying is you once again wrote a big long thing that seems to indicate this man is a Liberal who is also at the same time stupid.

 

[Kingu Cinnamon]

Literally all your political examples are Sargon not knowing the issues and only going with what is shitposty and trendy, but for some reason you think this means he's drifted Right.
You can believe everyone is a liar and secretly this or that, all I'm saying is you once again wrote a big long thing that seems to indicate this man is a Liberal who is also at the same time stupid.

I never said that Sargon was intentionally lying, I think he is deluded. If he is liberal, then he is a liberal that has only blindly supported people that are the complete opposite to him for the memes.

I think we should just agree to disagree because it's clear that we won't agree on this and it's subjective anyway.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

I never said that Sargon was intentionally lying, I think he is deluded. If he is liberal, then he is a liberal that has only blindly supported people that are the complete opposite to him for the memes.

I think we should just agree to disagree because it's clear that we won't agree on this and it's subjective anyway.

I think the issue here is that everyone is arguing as if Sargon actually has some grounded set of principals or beliefs. He doesn't. At best you could argue he hates progressivism and SJW's, but the Ralph/WSJ drama shows that he'll actively help the left if they are targeting somebody he hates.

At the end of the day Sargon is all about himself. He only cares about having his ego massaged and being looked at as a smart, important person who is leading the fight against evil. He has no philosophy that he actually believes in or a vision of the world that he wants to see become true.

 

[GranDuke]

People are judged not by what they say they believe, but by their actions. Carl has done close to nothing that would indicate him being left leaning.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

People are judged not by what they say they believe, but by their actions. Carl has done close to nothing that would indicate him being left leaning.

He joined right and by that ruined them.

 

[Rekkington]

People are judged not by what they say they believe, but by their actions. Carl has done close to nothing that would indicate him being left leaning.

Yeah, he's not. He's a Liberal. There are no secret "actions" to report, all we have is what he says. By the way, there isn't just a Left/Right dichotomy here, you don't just automatically get forced to the Right if you're not vocally on the Left.
So what has he said? Feminism has just recently gone too far, nations have a right to sovereignty, racism is evil, freedom of speech is important, all political violence is bad, ethnic identity is unimportant, socialism is stupid, being anti-establishment is very important, Democracy is the best form of government, and I guess the most contentious thing is mass unchecked migration is bad. All of that stuff is what a Liberal would say. You don't become Right Wing just because you don't want free healthcare in America and you think sometimes black people overreact, that's just a bizarre Justice Democrats talking point.
His entire schtick - and the one guys like Dave Rubin and all of them did - is fighting for a New Center or some such retarded thing. That's Liberalism. Even a guy like Ben Shapiro in that whole crew was notable for being the only openly Conservative guy. Sargon and the rest of these dopes are just Liberals who say "wow, aren't things crazy these days?"
That doesn't mean you're some deluded closeted/crypto Right Wing guy, that's just something a Leftist would say. Sargon reflects his fans. All the people on the Right hate him and make fun of him, and his fans are all goofy internet people who want to bring normalcy and an antiquated sense of decorum to the culture. So I dunno, I guess all his fans are secret confused Nazis too or something.

 

[GranDuke]

Who said anyting about "secret actions"? Most of his actions are known and are easy to understand - he is a grifter who mostly operates in right leaning circles without going full "gas the kikes".

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

Yeah, he's not. He's a Liberal. There are no secret "actions" to report, all we have is what he says. By the way, there isn't just a Left/Right dichotomy here, you don't just automatically get forced to the Right if you're not vocally on the Left.
So what has he said? Feminism has just recently gone too far, nations have a right to sovereignty, racism is evil, freedom of speech is important, all political violence is bad, ethnic identity is unimportant, socialism is stupid, being anti-establishment is very important, Democracy is the best form of government, and I guess the most contentious thing is mass unchecked migration is bad. All of that stuff is what a Liberal would say. You don't become Right Wing just because you don't want free healthcare in America and you think sometimes black people overreact, that's just a bizarre Justice Democrats talking point.
His entire schtick - and the one guys like Dave Rubin and all of them did - is fighting for a New Center or some such retarded thing. That's Liberalism. Even a guy like Ben Shapiro in that whole crew was notable for being the only openly Conservative guy. Sargon and the rest of these dopes are just Liberals who say "wow, aren't things crazy these days?"
That doesn't mean you're some deluded closeted/crypto Right Wing guy, that's just something a Leftist would say. Sargon reflects his fans. All the people on the Right hate him and make fun of him, and his fans are all goofy internet people who want to bring normalcy and an antiquated sense of decorum to the culture. So I dunno, I guess all his fans are secret confused Nazis too or something.

I think you are missing the forest for the trees. You give credence to there words not there actions.

Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tim Pool and Carl "totally not going to Rape you" Benjamin are all the same camp. They are all on the right wing, now Carl and Dave might believe they are "libertarian's" how ever there political endorsements, political stances, what they talk about, what they focus on are a 100% right wing and right wing supported causes.

Compare that to some one like Joe Rogan. He has a lot of stances that are right wing, but he also support left wing ideas, stances and principles. With his actions and his idea i would claim he is Center to Left wing.

Yes shiting on feminists, stupid communist's, dumbass lefty crazies and so on is all fine. How ever when the actively run interference for right wing political parties and support there platform a 100% with out question, then i will claim they are right wing. I get it you don't want them on your side, but sorry there are your curse. Like i have Vaush in my corner, fucking pedo defending asshole.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

Yes shiting on feminists, stupid communist's, dumbass lefty crazies and so on is all fine. How ever when the actively run interference for right wing political parties and support there platform a 100% with out question, then i will claim they are right wing. I get it you don't want them on your side, but sorry there are your curse. Like i have Vaush in my corner, fucking pedo defending asshole.

There are no grey areas with people like you. And the fact that I have to somehow defend Carl on this makes me feel disgusting.
But sometimes people will do stuff because they feel cornered into a situation. Your logic dictates that the dissaffected bernie bros that voted trump in 2016 are automatically Right Wing because they supported the MAGA platform with their voting Action.

This is the reason the Left/Right spectrum is not a very useful way to see politics. You are trapped in a cage.