Culture The misogynist incel movement is spreading. Should it be classified as a terror threat? - Incels rise up?


As attacks linked to the misogynist “incel” movement mounted in recent years, authorities around the world have begun to treat the ideology as a more serious terrorism threat.
Since 2014, men who call themselves “involuntary celibates” and blame women for their own lack of sexual and social status have carried out mass killings in California, Florida, and Toronto.
On Wednesday, a judge in Canada delivered a guilty verdict for the perpetrator of the 2018 Toronto van attack, which left 10 people dead and 16 injured – the deadliest incident linked to the incel movement.

In her verdict, the judge found that the attacker’s resentment towards women was one among several motivating factors, but experts warn that such incidents are becoming more frequent, and that the ideology behind them is spreading internationally.

2020 saw a string of incel-related incidents, including a machete attack at a Toronto massage parlor, a shooting at an Arizona mall which injured three people, a man who blew up his own hand with explosives in Virginia, and a New York man charged by federal prosecutors for targeting a couple with violent threats.
While only one of those attacks was fatal, “the fact those incidents weren’t worse is more luck than good counterterrorism,” said Jacob Ware, a terrorism researcher who studies the incel movement. “2020 was a bad year for incel violence.”

There are also signs the ideology is spreading beyond North America: in the UK, at least two recent terror trials included discussion of incel ideas as a motivation.
And as incel-related attacks have multiplied, the ideology has begun to get more attention from both law enforcement and counterterrorism researchers, sparking debate over whether it is useful to classify this kind of ideological violence against women as terrorism.

Last spring, Canada announced terrorism charges against a 17-year-old Toronto resident for the murder of 24-year-old Ashley Noelle Arzaga at a massage parlor, an attack law enforcement said was motivated by incel extremism. It was the first time Canada had charged anyone with incel-related terrorism.
Incel-related violence “seems to be increasing,” said Alex DiBranco, the executive director of the Institute for Research on Male Supremacism, and one of the authors of a recent report on misogynist violence. And, despite growing attention, “It’s still not being taken as seriously as it needs to be.”

Measuring the toll

By some counts, incel-related attacks in the United States and Canada have claimed as many as 40 to 50 lives, DiBranco and Ware said. But that statistic includes the toll of several large school shootings – including a 2015 shooting at a college in Roseburg, Oregon and a 2018 high school shooting in Parkland, Florida – in which the perpetrators made some mention of incel ideology alongside other grievances.
The number of casualties in the attacks most clearly motivated by incel ideology is smaller, and starts with the 2014 Isla Vista attack at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in which a 22-year-old killed six people and injured 14 others.
The Isla Vista perpetrator has been cited as a direct inspiration by other attackers, including the 28-year-old Canadian man convicted on Wednesday who posted about an “incel rebellion” on Facebook shortly before plowing his rental van into pedestrians on a Toronto street.

There are other attacks that predate the growth of the online incel movement, but that fit a similar pattern of anger towards women, including a 2009 attack on a fitness center in Pennsylvania, and the mass shooting of 14 female engineering students in Montreal in 1989 by a man who wrote of his rage against feminism.

So far, incel-related violence has not become a terror threat in the United States on the same scale as other violent ideologies, according to an analysis of domestic terror attacks by the New America Foundation.
Since 9/11, far rightwing attacks killed 114 people, and jihadist attacks had killed 107 people, while only nine people had been killed in American misogynist and incel attacks, the New America Foundation analysis found.
This count includes a July 2020 attack, in which an anti-feminist lawyer opened fire at the home of a female federal judge in New Jersey, leaving her son dead, an attack experts said was linked to misogyny, but not the incel movement specifically.
But incel terrorism in the United States has been much deadlier than far-left terrorism, which receives intense political and media attention in the US, the New America analysis found. Its data lists only a single person killed in a far-left attack in the US since 9/11.

What response is right?

Some experts are skeptical of the value of approaching the incel movement through a counterterrorism lens, rather than as a public health problem, said Ware adding that some see a risk in making the movement “look like a bigger deal than it is”.
“Incels display very high levels of mental health issues. They display high levels of a history of bullying. This is a movement that is desperately sad,” he said.
At the same time, he said, “Incel violence is ideological violence against civilians, to prove an ideological point or create psychological fear. That makes it terrorism.”

The Isla Vista shooter made clear in his manifesto that he wanted to make women afraid, said DiBranco.
“Though misogynist incels are often perceived as a movement without political aims, violent perpetrators have the same type of far-reaching aims that white nationalists have: to completely change the culture and politics of society to favor their own group,” she and her co-authors wrote in a February report.
“This is an ideology. It’s not a psychological disorder,” she said. “There’s a lot of undue sympathy.”
 
>men's mental health is constantly ignored and mocked
>male suicide rates are spiking
>homeless men are left to rot on the street and men make up most of the homeless population
>adult male virginity rates have gone up to 30.5 percent in recent years as well as the rates of single men going up
Yeah, let's label men who are already pissed off at society for treating them like shit terrorists, whAt COulD gO WroNG?
I think men get a raw deal in a lot of stuff in the west. Each sex has its own issues, but there’s been a shift away from ‘making women equal under law’ to ‘bashing men.’ Just as there’s been a move from civil rights to black supremacy, and tolerance to drag Queen story time. I guess the slippery slope is real. I remember when I started seeing all these articles about women forcing all male golf clubs to accept them and thinking this won’t end well. Women have things that are used to keep them down and so do men. The movement to sort that out has been hijacked by the usual postmodernist suspects to pit men and women against each other (same as race/boomer-millenia etc.) stops people looking up to see who is really pulling the strings.
I think boys now are not able to be boys. Any boyish masculine stuff gets squished, they’re not encouraged to run around and run off energy and be physical. They’re cooped up behind desks. The single sex things like scouts now have girls in (and the girl guides let boys in ffs.) it’s all quite sad. Adult men get flamed for ‘toxic masculinity’ if they do anything more macho than cook dinner. They’re dissed constantly in advertising as well (hapless males everywhere.)
So what the solution? drafting woman into sexual services?
I don’t know what the solution is. I think more single sex activities, later school starts (more years just playing and being active like the scandi countries) would help. How you stop the man bashing culture I don’t know. It’s linked to the whole SJW climate IMO. Massive backlash against SJW culture?
 
Nah, the army is big online but 90% of them don't have the courage to do anything other than self pity.
 
It's funny how much experts trip all over themselves trying to find excuses for women who do horrible shit (like overwhelmed single mothers beating or murdering their children), but if men do similarly terrible things it always seems to just be because they're evil. Most self-identified incels are insufferable and emotionally off the rails to a certain extent, but they do make decent points too: one being that Western laws are extremely biased in women's favour. Not all their grievances are illegitimate, and just because a rare few are capable of lashing out in actual violence from pent-up frustration doesn't change that.
See anything wrong?

Just because we're supposedly more aware of mental illness (I don't think the APA suggesting that the administration of puberty blockers and SRS as reasonable treatments for gender dysphoria bodes well in terms of general awareness of mental illness), doesn't mean that we're automatically or even sufficiently aware of male mental illness.

The way that society overall treats the sensitivity and vulnerability of men is largely unchanged, but now, they're told lies about how others actually care (and if there is genuine concern, there's often an inability to actually assist in shouldering or otherwise ameliorating the burdens). That, and we've largely lost men-only spaces where those issues could be hashed out in the context of the male subculture.
From the Female Privilege Checklist:
24) If I cry or am hurt, men and women are unlikely to tell me to "suck it up".
30) If I commit a crime against children, even before details come out, people are likely to want to believe I have been falsely accused, was "failed by the system", or was somehow "driven to it" by factors outside my control (such as mental illness, poverty, lack of social services, childhood abuse), because members of my gender "just don't do stuff like that". It is unlikely they will automatically attribute my actions to unprovoked aggression or hold me entirely responsible for them.
33) If I physically abuse my partner, people--including the authorities and victim's services personnel--are likely to assume it was in self defence. Even if I tell them I hit first and my partner is non-violent, they are likely to wonder if my partner did something to instigate the assault, like cheating on me, yelling at me, or otherwise provoking me to lose control.
36) If I am divorced, and my ex-partner earns more than I do, it is more likely I will be awarded spousal support, even if am employed and self-supporting, than if our positions were reversed.


37) If I am divorced, the default assumption in the family court system is that I will have primary custody of my children. This will be the case, even if my ex-partner and I shared breadwinning and childcare duties roughly equally during the marriage.


38) If my ex-partner sues me for custody, they are unlikely to be as successful as I would be were our positions reversed. The burden will be on them to prove I am an unfit parent, rather than that they are more fit, before this likelihood tips in their favor.


39) If I am divorced, I will in almost every case be awarded child support. If my ex-partner does not abide by the terms of the custody/child support order, they will face legal consequences as serious as a prison sentence. They will face these consequences even if their reason for not paying is that their financial situation has changed since the marriage. They will face these consequences even if I do not fulfill my own legal obligations spelled out in the custody order to permit or facilitate their access to my children--my right to distance myself from my ex-partner is likely to take precedence over my children's right to involvement with their non-custodial parent.


40) If I am divorced and my partner is awarded primary custody of my children, I will only rarely be required to pay child support, even if I can afford it. If I am required to pay child support and I do not, for whatever reason, it is unlikely that I will face any legal consequences.


41) If I abuse the legal process during my divorce by obtaining a fraudulent temporary restraining order, misrepresenting my financial status, hiding assets, or otherwise perjuring myself, it is very unlikely I will be charged with a crime. In fact, my abuse of the legal process--even after it has been discovered by the court--is likely to benefit me in matters such as custody. Moreover, "the good of the children" will be treated as a reason to not penalize me monetarily--such as by reducing my share of joint assets.


42) If my ex-partner abuses the legal process in the above ways, they are more likely to be penalized criminally by being charged, or monetarily through reduction of their share of our joint assets.
Scariest part? This was written in 2011.
Women have things that are used to keep them down and so do men. The movement to sort that out has been hijacked by the usual postmodernist suspects to pit men and women against each other (same as race/boomer-millenia etc.) stops people looking up to see who is really pulling the strings.
Relevant:
If you go to the southwest desert and catch 100 red fire ants as well as 100 large black ants and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen.

However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other.

The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa, when in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar.

This is exactly what’s happening in society today:

  • Liberal vs Conservative
  • Black vs White
  • Pro Mask vs Anti Mask
  • Men vs Women
The real question we need to be asking ourselves is, who’s shaking the jar, and why?
 
Adam Lanza wasn't an incel he was a Columbine sperg.
Yes, first and foremost. Incels weren't a thing as much back then as they are now, right? I lump him in there because while I think it wasn't his primary brand of crazy (God fucking knows his whole family was tragic) some of the Shocked Beyond Belief posts look juuuust a tiny bit incelly.

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He also hated marriage for some reason. He did have this general fantasy of a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, so most likely the second most prevalent facet that made him snap was his hatred of modern society. View attachment 1971761

Maybe he wasn't an incel in the "Oh woe is me, I can't habe da pussi b0ss" that modern day incels are, but Adam certainly had some weird developments with sex and possibly relationships in his short life. Some of it was just a little worrying. Maybe he was a bit of an incel in the "I can't get laid by my ideal sexual couple." That ideal sexual couple being very young people.

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Allegedly this is all wild speculation on my part, and I may be miles off the mark, but I think we can all agree that people who defend pedophilia on online forums AND THEN go on to shoot up a school maybe had some sexual hangups in their life, Freud Freud. Anyway, sorry about the long-ish analysis. Obviously, it is as Ruin said. Adam Lanza was a Columbine sperg. I just think this maybe played a part in the sad outcome. He also loved hamsters and hated Skyrim. Maybe he just was a case of stunted growth that ended in the worst possible way.

At one point he said that sexual relationships between adults and children could carry potential benefits for both parties, and he also always referred to therapists as TheRapists, because something something mindrape. I don't have screenshots for those, but one's on a BBC article and the other's around his Shocked Beyond Belief posts. https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/lanza_posts_2.2.pdf if anyone's interested.

In the end, it's really hard to tell just what made him snap. Adam was a very skinny, dangerously underweight dude that had been in self imposed confinement since he was 9 years old. He got homeschooled. He also ended up looking like this. View attachment 1971784

I think men get a raw deal in a lot of stuff in the west. Each sex has its own issues, but there’s been a shift away from ‘making women equal under law’ to ‘bashing men.’ Just as there’s been a move from civil rights to black supremacy, and tolerance to drag Queen story time. I guess the slippery slope is real. I remember when I started seeing all these articles about women forcing all male golf clubs to accept them and thinking this won’t end well. Women have things that are used to keep them down and so do men. The movement to sort that out has been hijacked by the usual postmodernist suspects to pit men and women against each other (same as race/boomer-millenia etc.) stops people looking up to see who is really pulling the strings.
I think boys now are not able to be boys. Any boyish masculine stuff gets squished, they’re not encouraged to run around and run off energy and be physical. They’re cooped up behind desks. The single sex things like scouts now have girls in (and the girl guides let boys in ffs.) it’s all quite sad. Adult men get flamed for ‘toxic masculinity’ if they do anything more macho than cook dinner. They’re dissed constantly in advertising as well (hapless males everywhere.)

I don’t know what the solution is. I think more single sex activities, later school starts (more years just playing and being active like the scandi countries) would help. How you stop the man bashing culture I don’t know. It’s linked to the whole SJW climate IMO. Massive backlash against SJW culture?
It is as you say. Little dudes being chided for being loud or hyper is just really sad. There are biological differences between the genders and while I understand girls are much easier to work with in the school environment, boys should have a right to be catered to as well. True legal equality is a beautiful idea, but it has to necessarily be achieved while accounting for our inherent differences. It's not fair that women are given a clear advantage over men because we have reparations to make, and it's not fair for fat, out of shape troons to be able to walk into the boxing ring with a 5 foot nothing, pretty muscular woman who works her ass off and just destroy her in three shots.

As for the man bashing culture, we've trying to distance ourselves from gender roles so much that we're flat out denying gender plays a part in someone's personality. It doesn't have to be a huge part, but it is a part. I don't think it will ever stop until society is ready to accept that men are not inherently any worse than women and viceversa. Genders do have some traits associated with them. Until feminism stops associating some of these traits with men exclusively, and painting them as the ultimate evil, man bashing culture will stand strong. Men could start clapping back any day though. When the biggest achievement of the crazy feminists is just throwing the word toxic and the prefix man- around, it doesn't seem too hard to come up with something equally childish. Maybe eventually we can all be split into one-gender spaces. I think that would please no one, but at least it would be a solution. Meet once a month to bone for 15 minutes through a hole in a sheet. Sign forms stating consent. Move on with your life. That sort of thing. :lol:
 
Walking and running is free. Pushups, situps and squats are free. Vegetables and nutritional supplements are cheaper than meat and fast food. Diet and excercise expertise is given away for free in thousands of places on the internet. Anyone with internet access can find fitness groups to join. Men have more time and access to self improvement knowledge today than at any point in human history.

Women have never had as many daddy issues, casual hookups or commitment phobias. Women in the past sold sex for a wedding ring, today they will sell it for a happy meal.

Any man is capable of achieving sex if he wants it. Those who would prefer to be a bunch of whiney faggots are men unworthy of sex. They haven't earned it.
Sex isn't the issue. It's a genuine functional relationship.
 
Sure, but the statement applies equally well for that.
No it doesnt. Girls with daddy issues aren't going to give you a happy and functional relationship. If all men needed to do to be happy was hit the gym and chat women up more, we wouldn't have a sky high divorce rate (72% initiated by women).
 
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