Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[lurk_moar]

On Friday, I finally went out in public to donate my hair and get my passport application processed.

I know that it's only been six weeks since getting my last vaccine dose. Rona virus rates are falling like a lead balloon. I only remember seeing two positive patients in January with Rona. I literally saw no positive Rona patients in all of February.

 

[JustFuckinaDude]

I wish I lived in a communist country sometimes. Fuck all of you.

So what you’re saying is that you’re here for argument, not discussion.

Man, believe what you’d like, but the words “ Thalidomide” and “Tuskegee” mean something to some of us.

I’ll get the J&J vaccine if it’s approved, but not until then.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

In-laws got both got the moderna one without issues.

Wife got both doses and felt like shit the day after the 2nd, but she's fine now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I will probably do the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. That at least is using the proven technology of using a deactivated form of the virus. Fuck this mRNA hijacking nonsense. I am sure it truly is revolutionary technology, but I won't be a test monkey for it.

 

[Dysnomia]

Even if I would take it, it's not like I could do it before in a years time or so. They are going to vaccinate the elderly first, then high-risk people. If they haven't got adverse affects from it, I guess it's safe

They're testing the expendable.

Anyway, being wary of the vaccine does not make you an anti-vaxxer. Anti vaxxers are insane and reject all vaccines because they think their kids will get autism and the government is trying to control their freedumbs. Being wary of a single vaccine because it was rushed is not something anyone should be shamed for.

 

[WeeGee]

How I feel about the selies with cards.

 

[DoctorJimmyRay]

Given what I've read about anecdotal reporting of covid caused erectile disfunction, the vaccine sounds prefectly fine. As long as it isn't that Chinese one that makes people blind.

 

[Double Dee]

So what you’re saying is that you’re here for argument, not discussion.

Man, believe what you’d like, but the words “ Thalidomide” and “Tuskegee” mean something to some of us.

I’ll get the J&J vaccine if it’s approved, but not until then.

I will probably do the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. That at least is using the proven technology of using a deactivated form of the virus. Fuck this mRNA hijacking nonsense. I am sure it truly is revolutionary technology, but I won't be a test monkey for it.

Good news for you and everyone else waiting for J&J, at least here in the States. Now we wait for it to go widespread.

 

[Oughtism]

I mentioned international travel and potential requirements in the future. This is out from the EU today:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0301/1200149-covid19-eu/

"Vaccine" passports by the summer...

 

[JustFuckinaDude]

Good news for you and everyone else waiting for J&J, at least here in the States. Now we wait for it to go widespread.

I’ve been following and was glad to hear it. About time.

 

[Van Darkholme]

Only if they make it mandatory so I can travel outside of Germany again, otherwise no. I'd have to wait till summer anyway because I'm not old nor important enough to get my vaccination now.
Who knows what side effects will develop during the next few months?

 

[Richard Harrow]

I'm not going to take a vaccine because a group of screeching harpies and soyboy beta-cucks are trying to convince me it's my 'moral' or 'public' duty. I'm not going to take something for a virus that's not likely to kill me at my age and current health. Once the shit has been out awhile and there are improvements/optimizations, I might consider it, but in the meantime, I'm gonna kick back and watch.

 

[Ly Erg]

Got the Vac, here's hoping that the Virus gets Vac-banned.

 

[Glitched_Humanity]

fuck your politics.

I dont want the vaccine because why would I turn down a chance to fucking die?
(TBH, I wear masks and use hand sanitisor, I just dont care if i get the virus. already immune to sars and other viruses due to military vaccines.)

 

[Samir]

I've heard a lot of mixed information about the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine, so I'm getting it just to see for myself. There's currently a shortage in my area though, so I guess I'll be waiting a while.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

I wish I lived in a communist country sometimes. Fuck all of you.

Oh yeah, you'll love the Chinese health care system

 

[FEETLOAF]

I wish I lived in a communist country sometimes. Fuck all of you.

I also wish you lived in a communist country.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

I mean if you want want to use that arguement, you do know that we have a virus that doesn’t go after humans and instead goes after exclusively bacteria? It’s called a Bacteriophage and it can kill almost any bacteria, including superbugs.

Do you want to know why we haven’t seen something like bacteriophage treatment yet? Because they’re still doing tests to see how likely it will attack humans after it is done with the initial host.

Keep that in mind for this question: let’s say the next pandemic comes from a superbug but it has a lethality rate of COVID-19, and the only way to treat it is with Bacteriophage treatment. There is a 90% success rate, but there is a 10% chance it will kill you after killing the bug in your system. Would you take the risk?

There's not a 10 percent death rate with COVID vaccination though. I thought we haven't seen bacteriophage treatment much in the West because everything here is standardized and phage treatments are very personalized to whatever particular bug you have. Western medicine is not yet personalized like that and it has to do with regulations.

Not how it works.

How does it work then? I've read conflicting or different things on it. Some say the vaccine reduces serious outcomes like hospitalization and death and also that it will reduce transmission but it doesn't seem as effective in reducing the transmission part which most vaccines are. I thought more immunity would mean less transmission but I guess you can still be a vector and spread it while asymptomatic or vaccinated? It still protects against transmission somewhat though so if everyone was vaccinated there would be immunity on the population level and less chance for it to successfully spread.

if you are afraid of covid go get the vaccine, no problem
but why force it on other people? their body, their choice, no? don't even have the usual 'but think of the poor children who dont get vaccinated' argument either because apparently kids simply don't get serious symptoms from covid anyway

I know Canada is cucked and gay a lot of the time but they have been good during this pandemic for not freaking people out by supporting mandatory vaccination. They always say it's for those who want it/choose it. Though the cynical part of me think's they're just glad they will have to spend less on doses (the government is paying for all of them). I think a positive thing about the vaccines for COVID is they're mostly associated with less severe outcomes so they will work for the people who get them but there is less efficacy on them preventing transmission so it's not like measles vaccination where a high number of the population has to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

I got it months ago. My second dose was in January.
I haven’t died or developed cancer yet.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

How does it work then?

Evolution is accelerated by divides and micro-populations, not decelerated by it.
Its why like every river system in the Appalachians has its own minnow species, and the Galapagos Islands have so many different finches. Certain traits tend to dominate smaller, isolated populations faster than they do large, fluid ones.

But viri don't need a partner to mate with, this means that in isolated communities all it takes is a single advantageous mutation to arise and then said substrain/variant could quickly dominate the viral population in that locale.

I've read conflicting or different things on it. Some say the vaccine reduces serious outcomes like hospitalization and death and also that it will reduce transmission but it doesn't seem as effective in reducing the transmission part which most vaccines are. I thought more immunity would mean less transmission but I guess you can still be a vector and spread it while asymptomatic or vaccinated? It still protects against transmission somewhat though so if everyone was vaccinated there would be immunity on the population level and less chance for it to successfully spread.

Most sources admit the vaccine is non-sterilizing. Now of course its not a binary, so obviously an asymptomatic carrier isn't going to be spreading it as much as a symptomatic carrier; but its still not enough to outright put an end to viral transmission.
This is to say nothing of the fact that COVID has animal reservoirs.

This basically means that aggressively trying to vaccinate the population with a non-sterilizing vaccine is simply selecting for viral traits that allow it to spread in spite of vaccination/host immunity.
Which, given the claims that people who've had COVID can get it again and that despite being vaccinated you can still spread the virus, implies that such traits are likely already widespread in the population and this vaccination campaign is simply selecting for greater expression of such traits.