Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


  • Total voters
    146
  • Poll closed .
I hope the last chapter is just a Newgrounds url and it's ten minutes of PNGs tweened around in flash 8. Then Attack on Titan 2 is written by Levi fujos.


My opinions change wildly every few months but no it's not that bad, but it's still really really good. I think the main issue is that it's frustrating how much you have to wait for things to happen, it seems like the story is a clusterfuck or a drag for months and then the next chapter goes "oh okay then". Except when it isn't. The pacing can be funky reading it month to month. Then another chapter comes out and it's thirty pages of Josuke walking three feet after a year of sitting in a chair. The art dropped in quality after the initial volumes where it still looked as good as Steel Ball Run. You get used to it because his designs and paneling are still great, but his art peaked so hard in 7 that it can't not be disappointing. Also Josuke's stand power disappears like Giorno's slow pain ability did, except Josuke's plunder ability was the ENTIRE point of his stand and he keeps it for more than two fights. Granted Josuke does some clever stuff with the weaker retconned ability.

On the other hand all the plot points I thought he gave up on have come back over the last couple years and things are all coming together. Most Jojo seems to be written by the seat of his pants to some extent, but he's actually trying to plan out a larger mystery story here, and the mysteries that WERE solved were cool and satisfying. He's just gotta stick the landing for the rest of it. He's had part 8 and 9 planned out to some extent since the end of part 7 apparently, I'm hopeful that he will. And god DAMN some of these stand battles are the absolute best in the series. You can feel how long he's spent honing his craft. Vitamin C is my favorite non-final arc in all of Jojo, and probably the most horrifying example of body horror in the series. That goldfish scene man... they can't even censor it for the broadcast version because it technically isn't traditional gore.

Read it when it's over, or when the current arc is over. God knows when that's gonna be, we only just ended the world's longest running game of "the floor is lava". It's probably not the final fight either. I have a feeling Jojolion will be a good completed product though.
I actually thought most of the part 8 stand fights were pretty bad, with Vitamin C being the clear outlier. Part 5 is the clear winner when it came to memorable stands for me (and this isn’t just recency bias, I didn’t even watch the anime) where just about every fight was memorable. I could list most of the enemies and something cool that happened during their fight, whereas with part 8 the villains are so unmemorable that I can barely remember their names and faces.
 
I actually thought most of the part 8 stand fights were pretty bad, with Vitamin C being the clear outlier. Part 5 is the clear winner when it came to memorable stands for me (and this isn’t just recency bias, I didn’t even watch the anime) where just about every fight was memorable. I could list most of the enemies and something cool that happened during their fight, whereas with part 8 the villains are so unmemorable that I can barely remember their names and faces.
I still don't understand what Part 8's main jojo stand even does....
 
I'm reconsidering the "full EVA" trajectory I was predicting earlier.

On one hand, the world is trashed, nearly the entire main cast is dead, and Ymir has been popping in and out as an observer like she was Rei Ayanami in NGE+EoE. The only people who could attest to the bravery of those who stopped the Rumbling have been almost entirely Titanized or killed by said Titans. I considered that perhaps something happens with Mikasa at the center of it that leads Ymir to fashion Paradise (the P A T H S realm, I mean) into something that resembles her ideal world, which makes the known last panel part of a kinda happy ending where most of the characters we've come to know get what they want in an (actual) world that was created for just that.

On the other hand, something like that rubs the wrong way (but doesn't necessarily clash) with the messaging that we've gotten from especially Eren and Willy, which is that it's justifiable to want to fight to live because they were born into the world. Also it kind of reminds me of one of the endings to NieR: Automata.

The alternative is that that doesn't happen, which means that the last panel would almost certainly be Mikasa sadly looking back at that memory of the alternate timeline as she finishes either listening to Eren's last words transmitted to her or going through some last words of her own that wraps up the central themes of the story. I can't call that a happy ending, because I can't predict what would lead to that point.

The Rumbling was aborted and there's not enough people to sway the world into not taking Eldia as the world's enemy yet again. If it happens that all hatred becomes concentrated on Eren, seeing as-- as far as I know right now-- that wasn't his goal, it's disrespectful to the fact that the Rumbling was the accumulation of the world's hatred being unleashed back onto its progenitors. In that case, barring a successful Lelouch gambit, they're hated by the rest of the world and are literally traitors to Eldia, and they either have to blend in with the crowd to avoid execution (in which case they're not free, so that's likely not it at all) or they get executed and Mikasa gets a vision that's that last panel as she dies... but juxtaposition makes that line far more copacetic to Zeke's beliefs, and he was already defeated in the battle of ideologies. Even if she were to die of old age or lover's seppuku and she sees that last panel, same deal.

I'm guessing I'm trying to say that I'm distinctly unsure if we're going to get any massive retcon as the culmination of the narrative thus far, either in a clean or modified time loop. But I also have no idea where else they could go with this with 50 more pages.

also that kiss panel is aging far better in my mind than it has the right to and i have no idea why that's happening

Attack on Titan seems to just continue the tradition of a needlessly aspie protagonist.
Here, I think it's less "autistic" and more "quintessentially Japanese" (i.e. extremely reserved to the Western eye), though IIRC Isayama recounts having an isolated childhood on account of weighing much less than his peers, so it might be both. You'd be right if Mikasa's affections were as heavy-handed as they would be from a harem member in literally any other shounen-- take your pick-- but they're not and any ship fuel is rather ambiguous on top of being few and far in-between.
Seeing that smile on the last panel that pretty much confirms it. It'd be funny if the Deus Ex Machina is Ymir having time manipulation ability and turns back time to that scene where Eren asked Mikasa what is he to her, but this time Mikasa confessed. Boom, problem solved. No need for genocide. Eren stops being homicidal incel virgin retard, the end.
Oh, it'll be "the end", alright. Eren becomes a broken man who doesn't save his people, as all their friends look for them while the extinction of their people looms over them.

Mikasa will have become the prime example for a generation of how a woman can profoundly derail a man on his purpose-- getting a demonically determined man teetering on the edge of committing genocide as a response to having total war declared on them by the world for the sake of his people to run away with her like a total wuss, consigning his people to certain extermination. She'd be like Yoko Ono but on an existential scale-- instead of causing the breaking up of the Beatles, she'll be causing the breaking up of the bones of everyone in her entire country by air raid bombs.
 
Last edited:
You need to drink that shit in like a fine vintage wine. If you don't get to watch her gradual descent into delusion and madness, it isn't worth it.
Trust me, I tried to tell her but she's tired of getting spoiled on quora of all places. She does plan on going back Afaik but rn spoilers are driving her nuts. Ngl, I'm surprised she went this FAR without getting spoiled since she JUST started the anime last month. She's mainly worried about Levi anyways. Other friend gave up on the anime after episode 1 and knew everything was a shit show and flipped her shit finding out Jean got titan'd. They're both not hard core fans but more character centered than anything but god the 0 to 100 is hysterical for me. Am curious to see my Levi friend go WHAT THE FUCK since Levi is surviving on tea, spite, and air freshener fumes since she only knows unhurt untouched unstoppable Levi. I'll fill y'all in on her reaction from jumping ship.
 
Can we still win Reinerbros? Can the plan be trusted?
View attachment 1974236
Replace Reiner with Eren and this would be more accurate.

Legit Erenfags are still holding out hope Eren is actually on the island ready to kill everyone with the baby or that Mikasa was just hallucinating.
 
Seeing that smile on the last panel that pretty much confirms it. It'd be funny if the Deus Ex Machina is Ymir having time manipulation ability and turns back time to that scene where Eren asked Mikasa what is he to her, but this time Mikasa confessed. Boom, problem solved. No need for genocide. Eren stops being homicidal incel virgin retard, the end.
But if Mikasa confesses and Eren runs, then he's never able to go back through Paths and convince Grisha to eat the royal family. So Grisha continues sobbing on the floor while Frieda transforms and eats him. Eren never gets the Attack Titan in the first place. So assuming he still joins the military, he dies at Trost in that titan's stomach. Mikasa's vision has to be some kind of schizo fever dream, because it makes no sense otherwise. If Eren isn't there for the invasion, he can't do his time travel bullshit that led to him getting his powers to begin with.
 
But if Mikasa confesses and Eren runs, then he's never able to go back through Paths and convince Grisha to eat the royal family. So Grisha continues sobbing on the floor while Frieda transforms and eats him. Eren never gets the Attack Titan in the first place. So assuming he still joins the military, he dies at Trost in that titan's stomach.
Maybe it's an alternate enough reality where Grisha nutted up on his own-- though, I understand that just makes the time travel stuff completely arbitrary. I'm tempted to think that Eren's involvement was arbitrary and that it would have happened either way, seeing as he certainly didn't orchestrate Zeke deciding to take him for a memory trip.
 
Maybe it's an alternate enough reality where Grisha nutted up on his own-- though, I understand that just makes the time travel stuff completely arbitrary. I'm tempted to think that Eren's involvement was arbitrary and that it would have happened either way, seeing as he certainly didn't orchestrate Zeke deciding to take him for a memory trip.
If Eren could have accessed paths and sent memories back in time without Zeke, then why did he need Zeke to begin with? What was stopping him from entering paths, talking to Grisha, and then talking to Ymir to start the Rumbling the moment he kissed Historia's hand?
 
If Eren could have accessed paths and sent memories back in time without Zeke, then why did he need Zeke to begin with?
I'm not saying that he could do that without Zeke-- I'm saying that-- maybe-- his involvement didn't drastically alter the inevitable future of him inheriting the Attacker and Founder aside from him taking the place of the original motivation Grisha had to go through with what he did.

Of course, he needs Zeke because he needs the royalty key to unlock the Founder's power. The reason he doesn't start the Rumbling the moment he kisses Historia's hand, I'm pretty sure, is that he's holding out to see if the future is really set in stone and he'll in fact have to start the Rumbling because nobody could figure out a better way to live in peace. Once he's lived enough of the future he saw, he figured that there was no other option, and manipulated Zeke into thinking he was on his side either because he figured Historia wouldn't be gung-ho with enabling genocide or because he didn't want to sully her hands with the deed.
 
  • Thunk-Provoking
Reactions: Islamic Heisenberg
But if Mikasa confesses and Eren runs, then he's never able to go back through Paths and convince Grisha to eat the royal family. So Grisha continues sobbing on the floor while Frieda transforms and eats him. Eren never gets the Attack Titan in the first place. So assuming he still joins the military, he dies at Trost in that titan's stomach. Mikasa's vision has to be some kind of schizo fever dream, because it makes no sense otherwise. If Eren isn't there for the invasion, he can't do his time travel bullshit that led to him getting his powers to begin with.
Maybe it's an alternate enough reality where Grisha nutted up on his own-- though, I understand that just makes the time travel stuff completely arbitrary. I'm tempted to think that Eren's involvement was arbitrary and that it would have happened either way, seeing as he certainly didn't orchestrate Zeke deciding to take him for a memory trip.
If Eren could have accessed paths and sent memories back in time without Zeke, then why did he need Zeke to begin with? What was stopping him from entering paths, talking to Grisha, and then talking to Ymir to start the Rumbling the moment he kissed Historia's hand?
I'm not saying that he could do that without Zeke-- I'm saying that-- maybe-- his involvement didn't drastically alter the inevitable future of him inheriting the Attacker and Founder aside from him taking the place of the original motivation Grisha had to go through with what he did.

Of course, he needs Zeke because he needs the royalty key to unlock the Founder's power. The reason he doesn't start the Rumbling the moment he kisses Historia's hand, I'm pretty sure, is that he's holding out to see if the future is really set in stone and he'll in fact have to start the Rumbling because nobody could figure out a better way to live in peace. Once he's lived enough of the future he saw, he figured that there was no other option, and manipulated Zeke into thinking he was on his side either because he figured Historia wouldn't be gung-ho with enabling genocide or because he didn't want to sully her hands with the deed.
It seems this thread has discovered that time travel plots are convoluted and almost never done right. Especially when manga does them.
 
It seems this thread has discovered that time travel plots are convoluted and almost never done right. Especially when manga does them.
Frankly, the way it's done in this narrative is almost trivially easy to dismiss because of how late it's done and how it involves events already established to have happened in one way.

Which itself is agitating.
 
Best case scenario because there’s no way to wrap this up in one chapter so I’m still holding out for one final twist: Since there is all of this PATHs shit there is technically precedence for weird timeline fuckery. Reading some leddit theory they could make it so that this is the 8th of 9 chances to close the time loop and they fail. Manga is bad ending. Anime continues for the 9th loop and gets a “good” (read: bittersweet) ending.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Stay safe
Can someone do a “I consent! I consent! “I don’t” edit on the Eren kiss panel?
 
I don't understand why anyone would choose to create Attack On Titan. Sure, it started out as a cool idea but turns out it was just a vehicle for "what if Lelouch but Evangelion." How do you find the motivation to put pen to paper when you know that your ultimate goal is to have Lelouch do an Evangelion?
 
Can someone do a “I consent! I consent! “I don’t” edit on the Eren kiss panel?
I regret not doing it, but there was a meme on /a with Mikasa saying I consent and Ymir saying I consent from the outside with a young crying Eren screaming 'I DONT"
I don't understand why anyone would choose to create Attack On Titan. Sure, it started out as a cool idea but turns out it was just a vehicle for "what if Lelouch but Evangelion." How do you find the motivation to put pen to paper when you know that your ultimate goal is to have Lelouch do an Evangelion?
>thinking any of this was planned remotely in advanced and not just on a retarded whim by an autist

Oh my sweet summer child

EDIT:

On that note, I'm hunting for my origonal idea of what AoT should be and I'm going to storyboard it out on Scapple. It'll probably never see the light of day, but I'm not letting this idea go to waste because some fucktarded autist got bored with it.

It'll probably be as futile as Reiner going "NOT ON MY WATCH" to a prehistoric sea creature as it just fucking murders 90% of the cast as he wrestles it uselessly.
 
Can someone do a “I consent! I consent! “I don’t” edit on the Eren kiss panel?
the-myth-of-consensual-sex-consent-consent-i-dont-isnt-42400550.png
 
Back